-
Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
I'm ashamed of officiating in this country. Why any foreigner would want to come fight over here is beyond me. British referees stop fights too early and make some shocking calls. That Rocky Fielding-Bryan Vera fight is one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Rocky dragged Vera to his knees, the referee gors to help him up and Rocky hit Vera while he was on the floor. Then Vera stands up to protest and Rocky hits him again and knocks a defenseless Vera down hard. Instead of taking a point,Ian John Lewis starts counting. Then after letting it continue he stops Vera while he's still defending himself. It was bad in the Bellew fight too with the 2nd knockdown called when a punch didn't land. The BBBofC needs to sort their shit out because it's a fucking joke.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
-
Funny, that's the way I feel about the refereeing and judging in the U.S.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
I have to agree about refereeing in the UK. I've seen some awful stuff in recent years.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Ian John Lewis cannot go 5 seconds without his pants falling down.
-
Quote:
Originally Posted by
beenKOed
Funny, that's the way I feel about the refereeing and judging in the U.S.
I was JUST.......
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Ian John-Lewis should be banned from officiating.
He's awful.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
I was thinking about starting a thread like this actually, but I didn't want to stir up anything since I'm Canadian and our only claim is being polite and irrelevant. For real though, that was a horrendous showing and Ian john Lewis is either completely paid off or completely incompetent. Thank god most of the high level fighters don't have to go the U, would be a real shame if there were more legit fights with that kind of bullshit officiating.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
One thing I do admire about Ian John Lewis , he was a good to average area fighter , but when he got his licence to referee he made sure he became the very worst in the entire world. So credit to him for making himself stand out.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Shocking stoppage that wasn't it
Thing is he started the count when Vera was pushed down, and the big punch was landed on the count of about 5 and the ref just carried on
So Vera had about 3 seconds
Should be made a no contest if you ask me
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Just watched it again, Ian john Lewis should be ticked off
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
The only thig that sorta saves Ian John Lewis here is that his bad officiating made absolutely 0 difference to the outcome of the fight. If anythin he saved Vera from any more damage.
Because the fight from the first bell was only going one way.
Now had that happened in a world title fight or even if this fight was in round 9 with the scores 76-76 then I'm sure there would be a lot more made about it.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched on the floor while the referee is counting.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched in the floor while the referee is counting.
Defend yourself at ALL times.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched in the floor while the referee is counting.
It bloody hurts to be punched in the floor. You can't even get a cup or protector for that.:p
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched in the floor while the referee is counting.
It bloody hurts to be punched in the floor. You can't even get a cup or protector for that.:p
That's what I get for typing on my phone.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Ian John Lewis made that bad stoppage in the Maccarinelli v McKenzie bout too. He's got previous in this case. I don't think that we can tar all the referees with the same brush. I honestly don't believe we're as bad as Germany, and the US isn't fantastic.
Referees have a tough job across the world, and while I can understand guys being annoyed when they get stopped, do we want referees that let the beating go on too long?
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
Ian John Lewis made that bad stoppage in the Maccarinelli v McKenzie bout too. He's got previous in this case. I don't think that we can tar all the referees with the same brush. I honestly don't believe we're as bad as Germany, and the US isn't fantastic.
Referees have a tough job across the world, and while I can understand guys being annoyed when they get stopped, do we want referees that let the beating go on too long?
Not just that fight. He has made numerous awful decisions between that fight and last night too.
Not only does he make terrible calls when it is a matter of judgement he also doesn't seem to fully understand the rules when it isn't.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
p4pking
I was thinking about starting a thread like this actually, but I didn't want to stir up anything since I'm Canadian and our only claim is being polite and irrelevant. For real though, that was a horrendous showing and Ian john Lewis is either completely paid off or completely incompetent. Thank god most of the high level fighters don't have to go the U, would be a real shame if there were more legit fights with that kind of bullshit officiating.
It wouldn't seem bias if you did. Marlon B. Wright aside, I can't think of Candian officiating that has pissed me off. Week in, week out we're seeing this kind of crap over here and it is out of order. Boxing is corrupt enough, we should rise above it and set and example but we're falling further and further down the rabbit hole. I want to see big time boxing in this country and right now, the sport is booming over here so it would help if we could stop putting off foreign fighters and actually employ referees to do their job properly.
It isn't just that it's unfair to their guys, it puts an * above the victory for our guys. The other week, Lee Selby was on his way to making a statement with that win over Gradovich, but the bullshit cut stoppage has give him a viable excuse for a rematch. Gradovich was losing that fight and the way Lee was going he was going to stop him so why end it for a small cut?
Same last night with Rocky. He'd have likely won the fight well, but that was not a legitimate victory in which to judge his skills on because of the horrible refereeing, and good on Paul Smith for saying it on TV, because Johnny Nelson was all for ignoring it.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
superheavyrhun
Ian John Lewis made that bad stoppage in the Maccarinelli v McKenzie bout too. He's got previous in this case. I don't think that we can tar all the referees with the same brush. I honestly don't believe we're as bad as Germany, and the US isn't fantastic.
Referees have a tough job across the world, and while I can understand guys being annoyed when they get stopped, do we want referees that let the beating go on too long?
Howard Foster & Terry O'Connor are terrible too. O'Connor stopped Manfredo against Calzaghe, yet attempted to give Khan the longest 10 count ever against Prescott when he was clearly in no position to continue. Foster in the Froch-Groves fight but I've seen from him.
I miss Mickey Vann. He at least knew what he was doing.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
In terms of our better refs, I think Richie Davies is pretty good, Mickey Vann had good judgement, and Howard Foster is alright. I'm sure there'll be examples of when they seemed to get it wrong, but we can't get it right every time, as stoppages will often not be clear cut.
-
Early stoppages are becoming a bit of an often occurrence in the UK now. Ruining a lot of fights. Last night was the same although Vera would have probably have been stopped anyway.
I think the problem last night was that if Lewis stepped in and made the correct call and took a point from Rocky, it could have actually lead to Vera looking for a way out of the fight like Dirrell did against Abraham. And that might have caused a problem in Liverpool. 😂
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Bit harsh to tar the entire UK because IJL does his usual incompetent job. On the whole Brit refs are a bit quick to stop fights. I think that's a fair criticism.
America is the worst in the world because of Laurence Cole.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
The other week, Lee Selby was on his way to making a statement with that win over Gradovich, but the bullshit cut stoppage has give him a viable excuse for a rematch. Gradovich was losing that fight and the way Lee was going he was going to stop him so why end it for a small cut?
The ref in that fight was from South Africa appointed by the IBF.
Was he, and the IBF, in on Garcia's pathetc conspiracy too?
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched on the floor while the referee is counting.
He wasn't actually on the floor, it was during the count tho
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
erics44
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched on the floor while the referee is counting.
He wasn't actually on the floor, it was during the count tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPel4rRFkZY
Go to 6:40. Vera's knee is on the floor when Rocky hits him.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
erics44
Quote:
Originally Posted by
bzkfn
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Yeah but........ Defend yourself at all times.
Yea you should expect to be punched on the floor while the referee is counting.
He wasn't actually on the floor, it was during the count tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPel4rRFkZY
Go to 6:40. Vera's knee is on the floor when Rocky hits him.
Yep I'll give you that
It was the punch after that that did the damage it seemed tho it seemed, that one was at the count of 3
Reckon the result should stand?
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
It was all legit according to the retarded commentators .
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
erics44
Yep I'll give you that
It was the punch after that that did the damage it seemed tho it seemed, that one was at the count of 3
Reckon the result should stand?
No. It should be a no contest IMO. BBBofC should do the right thing. We shouldn't be encouraging corruption.
Vera was punched on the floor, stood up to protest the illegal blow and was heavily knocked down for his troubles. That punch led to the stoppage and was the reason he was in no position to continue.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Vera was never going to win that fight, but if you take the sequence just in itself it was appalling. The punch that brought Vera down was almost a cuff/pull, and Fielding quite clearly cranked him on the ground, and without even getting a count Vera is hammered as soon as he got to his feet. That's the kind of thing you see in fights that are 100 years old ffs, I'll bet there are top fighters people on this forum could beat if Ian John Lewis were the referee!
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
p4pking
Vera was never going to win that fight, but if you take the sequence just in itself it was appalling. The punch that brought Vera down was almost a cuff/pull, and Fielding quite clearly cranked him on the ground, and without even getting a count Vera is hammered as soon as he got to his feet. That's the kind of thing you see in fights that are 100 years old ffs, I'll bet there are top fighters people on this forum could beat if Ian John Lewis were the referee!
Yeah I would just touch gloves really really hard and wait for IJL to bottle it and stop the fight.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ryanman
Quote:
Originally Posted by
p4pking
Vera was never going to win that fight, but if you take the sequence just in itself it was appalling. The punch that brought Vera down was almost a cuff/pull, and Fielding quite clearly cranked him on the ground, and without even getting a count Vera is hammered as soon as he got to his feet. That's the kind of thing you see in fights that are 100 years old ffs, I'll bet there are top fighters people on this forum could beat if Ian John Lewis were the referee!
Yeah I would just touch gloves really really hard and wait for IJL to bottle it and stop the fight.
Yes or he just feels there is going to be fisticuffs so he keeps them apart.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
"This is the same country that thought I had a great voice. They said that I was the 'new' voice of the
mid-1960's."
Nancy Sinatra
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.Pl%2...A&pid=15.1&P=0
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Get real you guys. Its not even close. I've been watching fights for a very long time and for every Howard Foster and Ian John Lewis there are 5 Santora's, Nady's, Cortez's, Coles, Russels, Reisses, Kelleys, Moras and Gonzalez's. Even Smoger is a hack now as its all gone to his head. He now simply plays the role he's been given by the media and forgets about his craft.
And the old well there are more high profile fights in the USA so naturally you are going to get more bad calls does not pass the litmus test. The reverse should actually be the case with all that experience then and hack jobs would be rare. And another thing, I have never seen a camera whore ref in the UK. On this continent many of these guys think they are the star. Its all about the celebrity. You would never see Cortez on an undercard but put him in a headliner and it looks like a threeway.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
They are very biased to the home fighters. Joshua should have bene DQd against Johnson in my view. Would have been hilarious if he did too, could you imagine the look on Hearns face :D
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
They are very biased to the home fighters. Joshua should have bene DQd against Johnson in my view. Would have been hilarious if he did too, could you imagine the look on Hearns face :D
Same in the US but added to that is the bias displayed by broadcaster fighters or promoters. Tony Weeks is a great ref most of the time but he bludgeoned the Porter/Broner fight. He did so because Haymon handed him a script. Ftr the US like the UK also has some of the best refs in the business but most people dont know their name. Same goes for trainers.
Btw did anyone happen to catch the Ruenroeng/ Casimero fight Saturday? Its up on youtube already. Go have a boo. The refs name is Larry Dogget and that was one pile of dogshit for a ref job.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
IamInuit
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
They are very biased to the home fighters. Joshua should have bene DQd against Johnson in my view. Would have been hilarious if he did too, could you imagine the look on Hearns face :D
Same in the US but added to that is the bias displayed by broadcaster fighters or promoters. Tony Weeks is a great ref most of the time but he bludgeoned the Porter/Broner fight. He did so because Haymon handed him a script. Ftr the US like the UK also has some of the best refs in the business but most people dont know their name. Same goes for trainers.
Btw did anyone happen to catch the Ruenroeng/ Casimero fight Saturday? Its up on youtube already. Go have a boo. The refs name is Larry Dogget and that was one pile of dogshit for a ref job.
Yea I didnt know Ruenrong switched sports to MMA. Farce
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
On one British card recently Linares shredded Kevin Mitchell's face over a period of rounds and the ref just watches. Gradovich gets a tiny little boo boo and the ref immediately stops the fight.
I can understand the refs being quick to jump in and stop fights because the BBBC is terrified of another Michael Watson-type lawsuit wiping them out -- the Watson judgement almost did, another one almost certainly would. But events like the ones I just mentioned are a bridge too far for me.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Gradovich gets a tiny little boo boo and the ref immediately stops the fight.
A South African ref appointed by the IBF who acted on the doctors advice.
Lets get the facts straight.
-
Re: Refereeing and judging in the UK has become the worst in the world
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Gradovich gets a tiny little boo boo and the ref immediately stops the fight.
A South African ref appointed by the IBF who acted on the doctors advice.
Lets get the facts straight.
You are correct @Fenster. I swear I thought Phil Edwards refereed that fight. The doctor stopping that ruined what would have been an impressive stoppage for Selby.
