I'm sure there are others, but these guys stand out
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Floyd Mayweather Jr
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I'm sure there are others, but these guys stand out
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Yeah good list, I would agree with that.
People talk about how spoiled athletes are today, but they forget Sugar Ray Robinson was no angel himself. He was by all accounts a very shrewd businessman and resorted to a lot of questionable behaviour like agreeing to a pay off for a fight, then showing up the day of and demanding more money from the promoter or he wouldn't fight.
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Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
He was owned by a bunch of old white guys involved with the Cloverlay corporation I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Beat Audley Harrison. Started his pro career as fighter/promoter with £1m in his sky from the BBC.
Odd, they're all black Americans. What about the rest of the world?Quote:
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Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
The irony is that arguably the most charismatic and outspoken fighter ever, Muhammad Ali had as little say on his career decisions as anyone could get.
Yancey 'Yank' DurhamQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe was owned by a bunch of old white guys involved with the Cloverlay corporation I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
*} Made 'all' the decisions for Joe Frazier. But there was a mutual agreement.
*} Joe was never forced into anything.
*} Remember, he {Joe} walked away from the WBA Tournament in 1967.
Cloverlay, Inc. > Was not a bunch of 'old white' guys.
They were a Philadelphia-based community organization of businessman, small business owners,
church groups and local individuals who formed a medium-sized 'syndicate' to back Joe Frazier's
early career.
Interesting topic. I wonder what the percentages would be if you calculated all of the fighters that had or took control and ended up broke because they could not control vs those that stayed affluent and successful after boxing when they had complete control.Quote:
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Not sure what you mean by "control of their careers", but RJJ seems misplaced here.
Wonderful career, to be sure.... but ended it with some ugly KO losses.
Most surely fought way past his time for retirement.
Under some definitions, it doesn't sound like a man in "control of his career."
If that is your reasoning, then both Sugar Rays suffered some ugly ko losses at the end as well. I think you are missing the gist of this topic...Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Not sure what you mean by "control of their careers", but RJJ seems misplaced here.
Wonderful career, to be sure.... but ended it with some ugly KO losses.
Most surely fought way past his time for retirement.
Under some definitions, it doesn't sound like a man in "control of his career."
What Do Mean By 'Odd'.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOdd, they're all black Americans. What about the rest of the world?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
George Chuvalo controlled every aspect of his career.
First Frazier and now Chuvalo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomWhat Do Mean By 'Odd'.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOdd, they're all black Americans. What about the rest of the world?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
George Chuvalo controlled every aspect of his career.
You need to take this on the road and do standup.
After a couple lessons learned Archie Moore took control of his career.
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roy Jones Jr all made comebacks lets see if Floyd joins the list.
Nobody puts 'Baby' in a corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitFirst Frazier and now Chuvalo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomWhat Do Mean By 'Odd'.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOdd, they're all black Americans. What about the rest of the world?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
George Chuvalo controlled every aspect of his career.
You need to take this on the road and do standup.
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Beat me to it. On the march to his historic march to the WBF world title.Quote:
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Jack Dempsey had enough control of his career to avoid fighting a whole race.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
^true, and he made ends meet for a long time by pimping out his wife.
You got to be a bad dude, when Hollywood creates a character in your image. Clark GableQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Hopkins
This kind of odd. One Canadian, one Brit, no Mexicans, no French, no Japanese, no Spaniards, no Central or South Americans, no Cubans, no Puerto Ricans, no Aussies, no Italians, no Africans, no Filipinos, and no Russians. It's just not what I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomWhat Do Mean By 'Odd'.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOdd, they're all black Americans. What about the rest of the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom------------------------------------------------Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
George Chuvalo controlled every aspect of his career.
You're a Funny Guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThis kind of odd. One Canadian, one Brit, no Mexicans, no French, no Japanese, no Spaniards, no Central or South Americans, no Cubans, no Puerto Ricans, no Aussies, no Italians, no Africans, no Filipinos, and no Russians. It's just not what I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomWhat Do Mean By 'Odd'.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOdd, they're all black Americans. What about the rest of the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom------------------------------------------------Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Bob Foster
George Chuvalo controlled every aspect of his career.
I haven't seen your list of African Boxer who controlled their careers............ Idi Amin.
Reminds me of an argument he got into with Larry Merchant. (many have lol!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I agree with Larry at the time when he told Hop- he was wasting time fighting guys like Morrade Hakkar after he made the spotlight against Tito. Stop blaming the system Hop-
Hop asked him to revisit his decision in a few years. That's when we can look back and say- should I have fought the guys U wanted me to, or should I have gone for legacy (breaking the record for MW title defenses).
Looking back on it now- He waited out DLH got paid boku $$ for that. I think He made more form Tito & DLH, than RJJ did his whole career.
Beats Tarver as soon as he played Mason Dixon. Not only did he have control over his career: he made some damn good decisions.
The Klitschko brothers seem to be in control of their careers.
When it came to not fighting each other..and not being stripped I agree.Quote:
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Otherwise wlad has cleaned up the division. For a decade. Hard to say he haggled for dollars, waited out certain fighters.
He kind of already did. Took nearly 2 years off before JMM fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Id say Hatton and Froch have had a lot of control over there careers as has Tyson Fury so far.
Mike Tyson :cool: j/k
Def SRL, Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Hagler... you got alot of regional guys that tend to stay home and build their names....Chris John. Then you have the guys who wanted to fight the best and prove themselves and get those fights...guys like JMM, Pac, Morales. Is this hidden meaning who got to pick their fights?