...will that make him the greatest UK Heavyweight of all time? I believe it would.
Because as well all know, Lennox was a Canadian fighter.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/o...4lewis2-v6.jpg
Looking good, Lennox!
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...will that make him the greatest UK Heavyweight of all time? I believe it would.
Because as well all know, Lennox was a Canadian fighter.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/o...4lewis2-v6.jpg
Looking good, Lennox!
Not if, when.
Definitely canadian!!!
If Fury loses he is from Boston.
http://static.boxrec.com/9/91/Lewis.lennox.am.jpg
CANADA: Thanks again for that shiny gold medal, Lennox!
LENNOX: No problem, eh! But right now pro boxing is much bigger in England than it is here, and the British pound is stronger than the Loonie, so I think I'm gonna relearn how to speak with a British accent, go over there and tell the limeys I'm British after all, and make a shit load of money. You don't mind, do you Canada?
CANADA: Nooo, that's cool. We're good like that. Let the Brits think you're one of them.
Bruno
If Fury is allowed to bring an assault weapon to the ring, then I will consider this question...
The sissies over in the UK banned them :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I don't give two short sharp shiny shits if it makes him the best, I would love to see him win just to hear the interviews afterwards
Love him or hate him the dude is entertaining
If he beats wlad of which I don't believe he will , then he will deserve it.
If Fury wins I will buy a trotting horse, wear a trilby and dealer boots then change my surname to Joyce and challenge Tyson to a fight on the cobbles in Dartford high st out side the Bull and Vic public House. ;)
To be fair, as @IamInuit will verify, if you're a boxer who has spent at least 1 hour in Canada, then you're recognized as Canadian.
Lewis is about as British as maple syrup and reggae.
If Fury wins, he'll be the first British linear heavyweight champion for a very, very long time.
Fury vacated the british belts to fight for the irish heavyweight title didn't he ? If fury wins he will be irelands greatest heavyweight champion not britians :S.
Not to mention if you learn to box here and choose to represent us in the Olympics!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Jamaican genetics, Canadian trained... oh, but he does have a British accent! I guess that counts for something.... hahaha
The sun will shine brighter on the UK, Brits all around the globe will step a little lighter and hold their chests out as far as possible, English type pubs around the world will do record sales, Ross will spend more time under the covers with nothing but Fury on his mind, and Xwetie will be hanging out in some of those pubs educating the occasional drunk Brit. It's going to be AWFUL if Fury beats Wlad. LOL
With my ipad ripping all you dunces on here;DQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
You never quit Beanflicker. ;D
If he wins, which I doubt, he wouldn't even be second best behind Lennox. Although in terms of achievement it would be up there.
Lennox, born in East London, moved to Canada at 13 and was mocked for his cockney accent. Calls himself British. He boxed for Canada because he lived in Canada. In amateur boxing you can't fight and live in one country and represent another, well, not realistically. So to box at the nationals, then the Olympics etc it had to be for Canada. But he ditched that flag when it was practical.
I know you know deep down that calling him Canadian is pretty tenuous (how many Canadians happen to be West Ham fans?) but for fun go to 3.08 here for a succinct view of what Lennox thinks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXssCEEbyY
Fury neating Wlad trumps any win Lewis has.
Lewis never won hos titles by beating a defending champ.
Wlad is seen as the man and the most dominant heavy for a very long time and when Tyson beats him Lewis and Haye will be spitting feathers because that big goofy lumox has a better win than either of them and given how young he is has years of his prime left to dominate.;)
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Originally Posted by ryanman
It's understood that Lennox made much more money because he "defected" to England. Canadians are just not into boxing like the Brits.
I honestly just don't see where the UK comes in to Lennox's in-ring success.
Born with Jamaican genetics.
Learned to box in Canada and represented Canada at the Olympics, winning a gold medal for Canada.
Went pro, trained to greatness by an American trainer.
Oh... but he talks with a British accent. That accent doesn't win you world championships! I think David Price has proven that quite conclusively!
I don't even think he has an English accent! More Canadian to me.
As for "He supports West Ham!" 😂😂😂😂😂
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
It's understood that Lennox made much more money because he "defected" to England. Canadians are just not into boxing like the Brits.
I honestly just don't see where the UK comes in to Lennox's in-ring success.
Born with Jamaican genetics.
Learned to box in Canada and represented Canada at the Olympics, winning a gold medal for Canada.
Went pro, trained to greatness by an American trainer.
Oh... but he talks with a British accent. That accent doesn't win you world championships! I think David Price has proven that quite conclusively!
Since when?
It's because of his silly Canadian twanged accent that he wasn't taken to when he came back home.
Mate, he learned to box in Canada yes. That gold was for Canada. No problems. That's for Canada. But he sure as shit is not 'Canadian' is he.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
It's understood that Lennox made much more money because he "defected" to England. Canadians are just not into boxing like the Brits.
I honestly just don't see where the UK comes in to Lennox's in-ring success.
Born with Jamaican genetics.
Learned to box in Canada and represented Canada at the Olympics, winning a gold medal for Canada.
Went pro, trained to greatness by an American trainer.
Oh... but he talks with a British accent. That accent doesn't win you world championships! I think David Price has proven that quite conclusively!
His British nationality is about more than an accent as you know. It's about being born in London. Living there for 13 years. Then coming back when he was a young adult. Calling himself British. He is British with Jamaican heritage. If you weren't Canadian I doubt you'd argue that. But yes that gold was for Canada. You can have it. You need those Olympic golds way more than we do.
To American's he sounds British. To British he sounds like a mid-atlantic type hard to pick mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
And he does support West Ham. Quite legitimately. Speaks knowledgeably about them.
You'll find some Brits that say he isn't British.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
It's understood that Lennox made much more money because he "defected" to England. Canadians are just not into boxing like the Brits.
I honestly just don't see where the UK comes in to Lennox's in-ring success.
Born with Jamaican genetics.
Learned to box in Canada and represented Canada at the Olympics, winning a gold medal for Canada.
Went pro, trained to greatness by an American trainer.
Oh... but he talks with a British accent. That accent doesn't win you world championships! I think David Price has proven that quite conclusively!
Most of those will be the same that would say Amir Khan is not British. (most, not all).
That might let you know a bit about where their view comes from.
It was lucky that old Lenny was never born in Canada, in his opinion he'd had never had a chance of being a boxer as the place is full of wimps.
"My mum took me to Canada when I was 12, but I am British in my heart. There is a real fearlessness to the British that I feel. I came out of a dance in Canada when I was a teenager and about 30 kids came after me and my friend, and I said, ‘Let's stand our ground.' So we turned to these kids and said, ‘Come on then, let's have you.' And they all ran away, until there were just two or three left. In East London, that would never have happened. They'd have stayed together and beaten me up." Lennox Lewis
That makes a hell of a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I mean he spent 13 years NOT boxing in England, then came to Canada and started boxing almost right away. But yeah, I see your point, there's no way he would have become a boxer had he been born in Canada. ;D
Imagine if he stayed over in England. He'd have been another clog in a long line of chinless, garbage HWs. He'd be like Price, getting knocked out by every man with a decent punch and crying in the ring.
He does hold Canadian citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I'm not doubting that he's a British citizen - he holds dual citizenship for England and Canada. He was born in England, spent his early years there, went back to hang out in his adulthood, ect.
I just question what England had to do with creating Lennox the boxer.
Like I said...
Born to Jamaican parents, which accounts for his size and athletic ability.
Learned to box in Canada, represented Canada in the Olympics and won a gold medal.
As a pro, was brought to greatness by American trainers.
I don't get it.
Lennox would have been a success no matter where he lived or even learned to box. Too good not to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerThat makes a hell of a lot of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I mean he spent 13 years NOT boxing in England, then came to Canada and started boxing almost right away. But yeah, I see your point, there's no way he would have become a boxer had he been born in Canada. ;D
Imagine if he stayed over in England. He'd have been another clog in a long line of chinless, garbage HWs. He'd be like Price, getting knocked out by every man with a decent punch and crying in the ring.
I understand you saying that he learned to box in Canada and that his gold is in the credit column of the Canadian system not the GB system. Obviously. But that's not the same as being Canadian. As I'm sure you know.
Also, do remember, Canada are shit at most things so I think we can chalk his success to the man himself rather than the talent that one naturally gains by spending time in Canada.
Nothing against England, I'm sure it's a nice place.
In fact, my grandmother is from Hull so really I have more English blood than Lennox does!
If England had a long history of developing great HW's, I'd agree with you. But I think it's a bit too coincidental that when an Englishman leaves the UK and trains elsewhere, suddenly he becomes one of the top 5 greatest HWs of all time.Quote:
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Audley Harrison had all the genetic gifts Lennox did, and he was shite.
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe does hold Canadian citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I'm not doubting that he's a British citizen - he holds dual citizenship for England and Canada. He was born in England, spent his early years there, went back to hang out in his adulthood, ect.
I just question what England had to do with creating Lennox the boxer.
Like I said...
Born to Jamaican parents, which accounts for his size and athletic ability.
Learned to box in Canada, represented Canada in the Olympics and won a gold medal.
As a pro, was brought to greatness by American trainers.
I don't get it.
He learned to box in Canada. 'You' (as in your system) can have the credit there. But you normally say 'He's Canadian'. That's what I argue.
In individual sport the credit belongs to the person and his support team/coaches. In amateur boxing that support team will be of the nation of residence. He came up through the Canadian system and that gold belongs to Canada. That medal is for Canada and is a tick in a column for the Canadian AM system.
But once you turn pro in boxing you're not representing a national team, nor a system. He was born in Britain. Considers himself British. Lived here for longer than anywhere else. That's why he is considered by most to be British. I'm not pretending that he came through the British system. But to the question - who is the best British heavy? Well, he is British, and he was a heavy.
Except for a much much smaller heart. And less powerful right hand. And less imposing jab. Slower too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerIf England had a long history of developing great HW's, I'd agree with you. But I think it's a bit too coincidental that when an Englishman leaves the UK and trains elsewhere, suddenly he becomes one of the top 5 greatest HWs of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Audley Harrison had all the genetic gifts Lennox did, and he was shite.
Let's not insult the man. ;)
Also, if and when Joshua smashes everyone, are you going to have revisit your theory retrospectively?
you sound bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe does hold Canadian citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I'm not doubting that he's a British citizen - he holds dual citizenship for England and Canada. He was born in England, spent his early years there, went back to hang out in his adulthood, ect.
I just question what England had to do with creating Lennox the boxer.
Like I said...
Born to Jamaican parents, which accounts for his size and athletic ability.
Learned to box in Canada, represented Canada in the Olympics and won a gold medal.
As a pro, was brought to greatness by American trainers.
I don't get it.
Depends who's around. The post-Wlad HW era looks pretty shitty. Maybe he can dominate a weak era, but I know better than to put money on a British HW.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I just saw a British HW Olympic medalist get destroyed by a fat unknown German over the weekend.
Teper was ripped. Under the large amount of fat he is VERY low body fat. Incredible physique. It's just hard to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDepends who's around. The post-Wlad HW era looks pretty shitty. Maybe he can dominate a weak era, but I know better than to put money on a British HW.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I just saw a British HW Olympic medalist get destroyed by a fat unknown German over the weekend.
That explains a lot. Shit Hole. It's a well known fact that the further North you go, the more effeminate and feeble the men become. That's why Lennox was born in London and not Carlisle. If he had been born in Cornwall he would never have lost to McCall or Rahman and would have obliterated Holyfield at the first attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker