I'm a little shocked to be honest thought this fight would of been free. I would imagine this will be a very hard sell and I don't mind Floyd taking an easy fight but don't charge people to watch it IMO
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I'm a little shocked to be honest thought this fight would of been free. I would imagine this will be a very hard sell and I don't mind Floyd taking an easy fight but don't charge people to watch it IMO
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Seems like a recipe for disaster. Floyd's coming off the "Fight of the Century" that left 4.4 million PPV buyers disappointed.
Now he's jumping into a PPV against a nobody gives a fuck about and hasn't really been relevant in several years.
I understood it when it was a free fight. I didn't like it, but I understood it. But as a PPV it's just garbage. Berto isn't even near the top 10 at WW.
There's so many better fights at WW: Thurman, Brook, Porter, Bradley, Danny Garcia... hell even Amir Khan. This is just a completely underwhelming fight. This would have been a great scrap 5 years ago, before Berto went on his career nosedive.
It's probably not Floyd's call to make it PPV, but it's still a shit fight. I wouldn't buy it.
It's probably just me, but I think it's frustrating that Floyd had all this talent, but never dared to be great. He didn't fight who he was supposed to.
It's not just you, there are a couple of other dummies here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
I mean, he didn't fight the best at their best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerIt's not just you, there are a couple of other dummies here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Think its a huge mistake not putting this showcase on "free" tv and erase some of the bitter taste left after the Manny blah. It'd be mainstream massive! Yes its all about business but charging for this is playing the public for fools all over again with this big steamy pile. Badou Jack as co main???
You donkeys keep blaming Floyd for Manny's poor performance.
Floyd fought exactly the kind of fight Floyd had fought for years. He did exactly what we all knew he would. He shut down his opponent's offense and connected with a high percentage of his own power punches.
It's Manny who couldn't fight his usual fight and failed to have a plan B.
Floyd is like a Wall Street banker. The definition of insanity is to allow the same people to rob you and rob you and then rob you again.
Had a feeling that a freebe was to good to be true especially since he announced it would be on CBS who owns Showtime. Kind of a bad business move for them to burn their own contract and hand Floyd his base 32 mil for fighting Berto
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
As I said in other posts, Floyd wasn't wrong to fight a gimme for his last fight, as long as it was free. This fight on PPV??? You are a moron if you buy it. A dumb ass. Period. Gross rip off. Worst PPV card since Butterbean fought.
I will not buy this fight. It's insulting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Floyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
I would not ever spend the money to buy this fight. I honestly don't know if I would even spend 5 dollars on it. It won't be exciting and Floyd will easily win. It isn't a good win either. It does nothing for him. Like others have said, if it were free, I'm all for it. No way I would buy a PPV though.
Though admittedly Floyd does have several good wins. However, there are many, many fights that are sheer trickery. Baldomir, Ortiz, Marquez, Gatti etc. These were con tricks.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
I'd bet 2 million of the +4 million ppv buys for Manny/Floyd were purchased based solely on that very sentiment. That is the hook. For 18 years this guy has managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes while they purchased tickets thinking this was the night they would see him lose. Those shifty Magicians that fool us some of the time have nothing on this guy. He fools us all the time and with dominance. Senses completely muted by the guy for close to 2 decades. Brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
For boxing fans this is a joke, but I can understand it from the networks perspective, as a shameless expirement. Aside from Pacquiao, Canelo, and DLH, pretty well all of Floyds PPV's in recent years were sold entirely on his name and brand, like it or not. Adding to that: The Pac fight did what, twice as many buys as any other fight ever? Of course most of the reaction ws negative, but it was still such massive exposure that there could be some carry over from it. I wouldn't be surprised if this sold a lot more than one would expect, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Floyds lowest selling PPV ever either, I guess Showtime is confident it will be the former. Wonder how many buys they need to make a decent profit, after you take in Floyds base pay and all that.
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Originally Posted by mikeeod
How is Floyd vs Berto any different than Pacquiao vs Rios?
Which was also a PPV!
How is he fleecing people? What is the deception?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
He fights in virtually the same masterful style in every fight.
Boxing fans and the general public can look up his opponent's records on Boxrec or watch prediction videos on YouTube and if they really care to be informed then they watch the opponent's previous fights.
Where's the fleecing? Where's the deception?
Floyd says he's TBE and he dismantles every opponent and beats them by wide margins almost every time.
The deception is that these are fights where the outcome is obvious. Why else would you call up Marquez 2 weight classes and still not make weight yourself? In all of these areas Floyd wants to be the boss. It is a deception to not fight on an even playing field. Sure people can be like us and know the history and the methods in the deception game, but most people do not. Most people do not understand 'money' and the marketing game that distorts. Most knew that Gatti had no chance, that Hatton was not a WW, that Baldomir was a fluke, that Ortiz was green and dumb, that Marquez was too small etc. Floyd does all of this knowing exactly what we know and what most are too busy to know about or are just too ignorant to even care. This Berto fight is another example of it. There is NO demand for this fight and yet here it is PPV because we all know exactly what is wrong with Andre Berto as we have taken the time to see all the flaws in the wins and the ensuing losses that come with it. It is a deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHow is he fleecing people? What is the deception?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
He fights in virtually the same masterful style in every fight.
Boxing fans and the general public can look up his opponent's records on Boxrec or watch prediction videos on YouTube and if they really care to be informed then they watch the opponent's previous fights.
Where's the fleecing? Where's the deception?
Floyd says he's TBE and he dismantles every opponent and beats them by wide margins almost every time.
Boo Hoo! You're all just too busy or too dumb! HaHAHaHa. Give me a break! There's no deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThe deception is that these are fights where the outcome is obvious. Why else would you call up Marquez 2 weight classes and still not make weight yourself? In all of these areas Floyd wants to be the boss. It is a deception to not fight on an even playing field. Sure people can be like us and know the history and the methods in the deception game, but most people do not. Most people do not understand 'money' and the marketing game that distorts. Most knew that Gatti had no chance, that Hatton was not a WW, that Baldomir was a fluke, that Ortiz was green and dumb, that Marquez was too small etc. Floyd does all of this knowing exactly what we know and what most are too busy to know about or are just too ignorant to even care. This Berto fight is another example of it. There is NO demand for this fight and yet here it is PPV because we all know exactly what is wrong with Andre Berto as we have taken the time to see all the flaws in the wins and the ensuing losses that come with it. It is a deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHow is he fleecing people? What is the deception?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
He fights in virtually the same masterful style in every fight.
Boxing fans and the general public can look up his opponent's records on Boxrec or watch prediction videos on YouTube and if they really care to be informed then they watch the opponent's previous fights.
Where's the fleecing? Where's the deception?
Floyd says he's TBE and he dismantles every opponent and beats them by wide margins almost every time.
If you don want to watch his fights then don't watch the fights Miles! Go watch some mid 90's Suede concerts or just wear your wife's bra around the house until the inevitable outcome of the fight and cry about for weeks after.
Isn't it the truth? We all know that this fight is a hocus pocus deception and will not buy it, but a lot of people out there will. Are they all hardcore Mayweather fans? Or is it simply that they think 'That Mayweather chap, isn't he undefeated and the TBE? That's what they say on TV! I've seen a few of his fights and they were dull, but heck they say he is the greatest beating that guy who wouldn't throw any punches!'. Isn't that why most people buy useless crap that they do not need? Isn't a Mayweather/ Berto fight just another like that? It isn't meaningful. Likewise on your music theme isn't that why bands play the greatest hits at festivals? Because the general public only know the singles despite an exceptional setlist? Boxing always treats the fans as though they are stupid and bands often do the same at festivals. It gets reduced until all meaning and nuance is washed away entirely. Mayweather/Berto is like a band at a festival. It has no meaning to a fan of boxing. It is taking the piss Calzaghe/Manfredo style.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoBoo Hoo! You're all just too busy or too dumb! HaHAHaHa. Give me a break! There's no deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThe deception is that these are fights where the outcome is obvious. Why else would you call up Marquez 2 weight classes and still not make weight yourself? In all of these areas Floyd wants to be the boss. It is a deception to not fight on an even playing field. Sure people can be like us and know the history and the methods in the deception game, but most people do not. Most people do not understand 'money' and the marketing game that distorts. Most knew that Gatti had no chance, that Hatton was not a WW, that Baldomir was a fluke, that Ortiz was green and dumb, that Marquez was too small etc. Floyd does all of this knowing exactly what we know and what most are too busy to know about or are just too ignorant to even care. This Berto fight is another example of it. There is NO demand for this fight and yet here it is PPV because we all know exactly what is wrong with Andre Berto as we have taken the time to see all the flaws in the wins and the ensuing losses that come with it. It is a deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHow is he fleecing people? What is the deception?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
He fights in virtually the same masterful style in every fight.
Boxing fans and the general public can look up his opponent's records on Boxrec or watch prediction videos on YouTube and if they really care to be informed then they watch the opponent's previous fights.
Where's the fleecing? Where's the deception?
Floyd says he's TBE and he dismantles every opponent and beats them by wide margins almost every time.
If you don want to watch his fights then don't watch the fights Miles! Go watch some mid 90's Suede concerts or just wear your wife's bra around the house until the inevitable outcome of the fight and cry about for weeks after.
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Originally Posted by GandalfIsn't it the truth? We all know that this fight is a hocus pocus deception and will not buy it, but a lot of people out there will. Are they all hardcore Mayweather fans? Or is it simply that they think 'That Mayweather chap, isn't he undefeated and the TBE? That's what they say on TV! I've seen a few of his fights and they were dull, but heck they say he is the greatest beating that guy who wouldn't throw any punches!'. Isn't that why most people buy useless crap that they do not need? Isn't a Mayweather/ Berto fight just another like that? It isn't meaningful. Likewise on your music theme isn't that why bands play the greatest hits at festivals? Because the general public only know the singles despite an exceptional setlist? Boxing always treats the fans as though they are stupid and bands often do the same at festivals. It gets reduced until all meaning and nuance is washed away entirely. Mayweather/Berto is like a band at a festival. It has no meaning to a fan of boxing. It is taking the piss Calzaghe/Manfredo style.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoBoo Hoo! You're all just too busy or too dumb! HaHAHaHa. Give me a break! There's no deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThe deception is that these are fights where the outcome is obvious. Why else would you call up Marquez 2 weight classes and still not make weight yourself? In all of these areas Floyd wants to be the boss. It is a deception to not fight on an even playing field. Sure people can be like us and know the history and the methods in the deception game, but most people do not. Most people do not understand 'money' and the marketing game that distorts. Most knew that Gatti had no chance, that Hatton was not a WW, that Baldomir was a fluke, that Ortiz was green and dumb, that Marquez was too small etc. Floyd does all of this knowing exactly what we know and what most are too busy to know about or are just too ignorant to even care. This Berto fight is another example of it. There is NO demand for this fight and yet here it is PPV because we all know exactly what is wrong with Andre Berto as we have taken the time to see all the flaws in the wins and the ensuing losses that come with it. It is a deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHow is he fleecing people? What is the deception?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
He fights in virtually the same masterful style in every fight.
Boxing fans and the general public can look up his opponent's records on Boxrec or watch prediction videos on YouTube and if they really care to be informed then they watch the opponent's previous fights.
Where's the fleecing? Where's the deception?
Floyd says he's TBE and he dismantles every opponent and beats them by wide margins almost every time.
If you don want to watch his fights then don't watch the fights Miles! Go watch some mid 90's Suede concerts or just wear your wife's bra around the house until the inevitable outcome of the fight and cry about for weeks after.
Are the fans stupid and lazy or not? Make up your mind!
It's not I think it's basically the same but it's just Floyd is on another level to pacman or anyone else for that matter I personally rate him as the best ever I don't care what anyone says, I've seen them all and floyds the best. People just expect that bit more from him. Pacman fighting rios and algeri was a joke but I didn't complain because I don't think pacman is as good as most and I honestly believe is his prime he was on steroids there's no doubt in my mind. So a pacman not on steroids is just a good fighter nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
How is Floyd vs Berto any different than Pacquiao vs Rios?
Which was also a PPV!
It's no different. People were stupid to buy that fight as well. Same with Pac vs Algieri. Bad decisions (to purchase the fights). I hope this fight tanks. Not because I hate Floyd, but because the sport needs to get the message that $50 and higher PPV is good for big match ups/great cards, but not every big name fighter deserves the money that comes from beating bums up on PPV. If this PPV tanks, in addition to the ones that tanked for Manny (Rios/Algieri), Arum, Golden Boy, Haymon...etc., will get the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
How is Floyd vs Berto any different than Pacquiao vs Rios?
Which was also a PPV!
I'm not happy about Floyd fighting Berto, I don't think anybody is so much bigger than the sport that they "Earn the right to take a Gimme." Boxing is a competitive sport with a lot of money being thrown about, it is not only disrespectful, but also potentially dangerous to have mismatches. I know Floyd isn't a heavy puncher and you might laugh at the "Danger" comment, but I also believe it's dangerous for Floyd or anyone else to potentially go into a fight taking it lightly and not training adequately.
However, all this "Floyd is conning the public" business is bollocks. Floyd may be powerful in the sport, but it's not his decision to make this ppv, that's down to the TV companies. Next Floyd will get the Blame for Global Recession! basically, you have a choice, Pay or don't pay. I wouldn't pay, but each to their own.
as for all the people who paid for the Floyd v Manny fight and felt robbed, well they must be plain fucking stupid!
a.) everybody should've seen that that's the type of fight it would be. I did , I paid and I didn't feel robbed. and
b.) if there is any blame for it being a damp squib, that has to be entirely down to Pacquiao. Floyd is there to win, he won and took no collateral damage, isn't that what it's all about? or do you think he should deliberately try and get hurt just to please everyone?
Pac went down a lot in my estimation , not only because he was awful on the night, but then he talked like a cunt after it. If he picked up an injury prior to the fight , he shouldn't have got in the ring, and if he thinks he won the fight, he is fucking deluded.
Floyd and this PPV can go kick rocks
I actually think this is a wind up. I mean, Berto? Is this a ploy just to get people in his camp to look at the things his trainer, Virgil Hunter does. In light of preparing for Kahn? I know he has a supposed history of that.
Yeah okay, admittedly I must be dazed and confused but it just makes no sense to put Berto on PPV :confused:
I guess I'll watch the fight. On YouTube.
Even the flomos thought it was a joke when Floyd first mentioned Berto or Mayfield. The most important part was when Floyd said - "whoever I fight I make $35 million."
The dopes that buy his fights in the hope of seeing him chinned probably still will. The dopes that buy his fights because they think he's TBE probably still will. The dopes that buy his fights because of his bling, birds and motors probably still will.
This is no different than these big name, past their prime Hollywood actors who demand large sums for medicre movies.
I saw "The Equalizer" the other night with Denzel Washington. Dull and predictable....
Mayweather wants an “entertaining fight” one where he can tee off, go on the offensive, look sensational and take risks with little worry - to keep up interest in his bouts before he goes for one more to surpass Rocky Marciano’s undefeated record of 49-0. An out-of-contract Mayweather can then name his price to fight a decent opponent on his terms. Berto becomes less of a contest, and more of a tune-up, to a record-breaking 50th win. ;)
Mayweather is a master at marketing himself :cool:
50-0 wont be a record, several fighters have surpassed that. Chavez was something like 87-0 before his first draw.
I can't believe they will hit any targets for sales it's not a PPV fight well not in Britain anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
jeez, could u suck on floyds balls any harder??Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoBoo Hoo! You're all just too busy or too dumb! HaHAHaHa. Give me a break! There's no deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThe deception is that these are fights where the outcome is obvious. Why else would you call up Marquez 2 weight classes and still not make weight yourself? In all of these areas Floyd wants to be the boss. It is a deception to not fight on an even playing field. Sure people can be like us and know the history and the methods in the deception game, but most people do not. Most people do not understand 'money' and the marketing game that distorts. Most knew that Gatti had no chance, that Hatton was not a WW, that Baldomir was a fluke, that Ortiz was green and dumb, that Marquez was too small etc. Floyd does all of this knowing exactly what we know and what most are too busy to know about or are just too ignorant to even care. This Berto fight is another example of it. There is NO demand for this fight and yet here it is PPV because we all know exactly what is wrong with Andre Berto as we have taken the time to see all the flaws in the wins and the ensuing losses that come with it. It is a deception.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHow is he fleecing people? What is the deception?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfFloyd Mayweather has never robbed me. Mayweather got rich by fleecing people inordinate sums based on deception. It's a snakeskin trickster game and it's a shame that at 38 he is still getting away with it. Andre Berto PPV. And it will sell! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
How have YOU been robbed by a guy who fights the same style every fight?
He fights in virtually the same masterful style in every fight.
Boxing fans and the general public can look up his opponent's records on Boxrec or watch prediction videos on YouTube and if they really care to be informed then they watch the opponent's previous fights.
Where's the fleecing? Where's the deception?
Floyd says he's TBE and he dismantles every opponent and beats them by wide margins almost every time.
If you don want to watch his fights then don't watch the fights Miles! Go watch some mid 90's Suede concerts or just wear your wife's bra around the house until the inevitable outcome of the fight and cry about for weeks after.
49 and 0 wont be his last fight. Duplicating Marcianos record wont be enough. He will go for 50. And he could fight Taylor Swift and get 50 million. Then he retires. I bet he waits a year or so and then mimics Leonard by coming back. He will then make 100 million and even if he loses its does not matter. He tied and then beat Marcianos retirement record.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
What he want's is to retire undefeated, no losses or draws - totally unblemished ;)
Ricardo Lopez retired 51-0 but with a draw or two i think.
People are naive if they think the top fighters will fight each other after Floyd retires.
That's right. I thought Chris John was on track to get to Marciano first. It is the holy grail of boxing for whatever reason. It appears to be easily beaten when you see a guy like Wilder spin of 34 in a short time or Tyson fight 25 in a year or something but the catch is the retirement. Ask Joe Blow on the street or Jane Blow who Marciano is. Everyone knows who he is because of the 49/0. Its taught in history class early on this continent. They don't tell you about Young Stribling who fought 55 times in 1 year and went undefeated or Greb that went 47 or 49 in one year w/o a loss. And they certainly don't scrutinize Marciano's run.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
What he want's is to retire undefeated, no losses or draws - totally unblemished ;)
Ricardo Lopez retired 51-0 but with a draw or two i think.