All-Time "Greats" that weren't great
How many losses can a fighter suffer before he has disqualified himself from ATG status?
Take Holyfield. He lost/drew about 12 times. Take Ali. He lost about 5 times but got about 6 GIFT DECISIONS: Jones, Norton 3, Shavers, Young, etc.
How can 11 or 12 losses keep you in the ATG Rankings?
It DOESN'T.
ATGs:
Rocco Marcheggiano (0 losses)
Jack Dempsey (2 losses)
Lennox Lewis (2 losses)
George Foreman (4 losses)
Joe Louis (2 losses)
Jack Johnson (1 loss)
Riddick Bowe (1 loss)
Larry Holmes (3 losses)
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Sugar Ray Robinson had 19 losses in 200 fights. That's like the same as being 20-2, or 10-1. Yet he gets rated so highly above guys like Chavez JR, I think it must be racism.
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brocktonblockbust
How many losses can a fighter suffer before he has disqualified himself from ATG status?
Take Holyfield. He lost/drew about 12 times. Take Ali. He lost about 5 times but got about 6 GIFT DECISIONS: Jones, Norton 3, Shavers, Young, etc.
How can 11 or 12 losses keep you in the ATG Rankings?
It DOESN'T.
ATGs:
Rocco Marcheggiano (0 losses)
Jack Dempsey (2 losses)
Lennox Lewis (2 losses)
George Foreman (4 losses)
Joe Louis (2 losses)
Jack Johnson (1 loss)
Riddick Bowe (1 loss)
Larry Holmes (3 losses)
Ask Lennox who his idol is was & always will be & he'll tell you
The Greatest Muhammad Ali !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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p4pking
Sugar Ray Robinson had 19 losses in 200 fights. That's like the same as being 20-2, or 10-1. Yet he gets rated so highly above guys like Chavez JR, I think it must be racism.
Are you serious with that statement.
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C.J.Rock
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brocktonblockbust
How many losses can a fighter suffer before he has disqualified himself from ATG status?
Take Holyfield. He lost/drew about 12 times. Take Ali. He lost about 5 times but got about 6 GIFT DECISIONS: Jones, Norton 3, Shavers, Young, etc.
How can 11 or 12 losses keep you in the ATG Rankings?
It DOESN'T.
ATGs:
Rocco Marcheggiano (0 losses)
Jack Dempsey (2 losses)
Lennox Lewis (2 losses)
George Foreman (4 losses)
Joe Louis (2 losses)
Jack Johnson (1 loss)
Riddick Bowe (1 loss)
Larry Holmes (3 losses)
Ask Lennox who his idol is was & always will be & he'll tell you
The Greatest Muhammad Ali !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clay's Hero was SRR , SRR hero was Joe Louis , does that make Joe the greatest ?
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Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney are overrated. They never fought black fighters.
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Beanflicker
Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney are overrated. They never fought black fighters.
They never fought Japanese Wrestlers either.
I guess they have 'no class'.
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Benny Leonard lost about 10 of his first 25 fights the scrub.
Armstrong was cold cocked in his debut and then lost two of his next three the water bag.
Arguello lost 3 of about his first 20, was cocked twice and once by a guy that was 1 and 0 the pin cushion.
Bunch of frauds.
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Benny Leonard lost about 10 of his first 25 fights the scrub.
Armstrong was cold cocked in his debut and then lost two of his next three the water bag.
Arguello lost 3 of about his first 20, was cocked twice and once by a guy that was 1 and 0 the pin cushion.
Bunch of frauds.
Charles 'Sonny' Liston lost to '2' Clowns, and one beat him twice.
Jake LaMotta lost to a string a so-so fighters.
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Bill Paxtom
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p4pking
Sugar Ray Robinson had 19 losses in 200 fights. That's like the same as being 20-2, or 10-1. Yet he gets rated so highly above guys like Chavez JR, I think it must be racism.
Are you serious with that statement.
Deadly serious.
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Bill Paxtom
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Beanflicker
Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney are overrated. They never fought black fighters.
They never fought Japanese Wrestlers either.
I guess they have 'no class'.
I doubt they fought any gunshot victims either HAHAHA
Imagine if there was a HW where the fight people felt he looked his absolute best in was against a guy who was shot by police and nearly died a year later, wouldn't that be something?
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Never occurred to me how big Bowes gap was from Holyfield to his next closest impressive 'great' name win. Anyone seen Herbie Hide or Jorge Gonzalez walking around Canastota lately ;D
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Jean-Pierre Coopman
Look how great he was, to earn a challenge for the most prestigious title on earth.
He was some kind of good.
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Bill Paxtom
Jean-Pierre Coopman
Look how great he was, to earn a challenge for the most prestigious title on earth.
He was some kind of good.
Hey Bill, any chance of a welcome home pic of Gina Lollobrigida ? 😃
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Primo Carnera
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Bill Paxtom
Jean-Pierre Coopman
Look how great he was, to earn a challenge for the most prestigious title on earth.
He was some kind of good.
Hey Bill, any chance of a welcome home pic of Gina Lollobrigida ? í ½í¸ƒ
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No I didn't.
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Interesting how the greatest fighters of their eras--lose in blazing fashion.
Norris & Camacho just beat the sugar out of Ray Leonard.
Ray Robinson seemed to have adjusted to losing so much that in his last several years; his last 11 fights he went 5-5-1 nc.
Julio Cesar Chavez really got shredded & bloodied by DLH, then quit like a bitch next go round-losing to guys with no credentials whatsoever.
Calzaghe just gave RJJ a bloody beating- literally. & Tarver's KO of RJJ overshadows the fight that Glencoffe didn't just knock RJJ out: he beat his ass from pillar to post round after round.
Marco Antonio Barerra IMO is another all time great- but watching him bleed all over himself and opponent, then just cover-up against Khan--- one would have never known how much of a warrior, consummate boxer and an ATG MAB was.
ATG's win in ways average to good fighters dream they could do. But ATG go so far past their prime, they go on to lose fights like they were nothing but club fighters looking to make $200-400 to pay the electric bill or a bag of get-high.
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Spicoli
Never occurred to me how big Bowes gap was from Holyfield to his next closest impressive 'great' name win. Anyone seen Herbie Hide or Jorge Gonzalez walking around Canastota lately ;D
Yeah imagine Bowe vs Foreman or Ibeabuchi...Tua....and Lewis the fight that should have happened.he fought a lot of the journeyman status heavy's.
