HBO's Current Top 10 P4P Sparko Merchants. Fact.

This is from the HBO podcast - (https://soundcloud.com/hboboxing/hbo...pound-punchers)

10. Andy Lee (Middleweight, Ireland)
9. Takashi Uchiyama (Super Featherweight Japan)
8. Artur Beterbiyev (Light Heavyweight, Russia)
7. Marcos Maidana (Welterweight, Argentina)
6. Adonis Stevenson (Light Heavyweight, Canada)
5. David Lemieux (Middleweight, Canada)
4. Wladimir Klitschko (Heavyweight, Ukraine)
3. Sergey Kovalev (Light Heavyweight, Russia)
2. Gennady Golovkin (Middleweight, Kazakhstan)
1. Román González (Flyweight, Nicaragua)

I can think of two guys that should be on this list. One is an absolute shocking omission who arguably should be top 5 ranked.

((on a side note - notice there are no Americans? Just an observation))

How in the fuck is Deontay Wilder not on that list? He should be #1. 33 KOs in 34 wins, all but two of those fights ended in 4 rounds or less. He one-punched Liakhovich into a seizure.

I understand their trying to push Gonzalez hard, and he is undoubtedly a superb talent with a big punch, but can we really say the guy is the #1 puncher in the sport?

Hmmmm interesting. As Dark Lord Al would say.😁

Andy Lee?

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Andy Lee?

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Yeah, I mean he has a great right hook, but come on.

Him there but no Wilder? Curtis Stevens? Nicolas Walters?

No Lucas Matthysse?? 34 KOs in 37 wins, huge power in both hands, I mean come on.

I'd put Terence Crawford in there over Andy Lee for fucks sake.

Casts a shadow on HBO's judgement, doesn't it.

Other than Uchiyama they're all/were HBO fighters. Maybe Uchiyama fought on HBO and I can't remember. It's not surprising HBO are going to hype HBO guys. They're not going to do people like Haymon any favours.

Lee and Maidana shouldnt be on the list and would replace them with AJ and Inoue. Its a P4P list so level of opponent should be taken into account and Maidana and Wilder look lacking to me at the top level. Maidana always goes the distance here and Wilder only fought one decent heavyweight and went the distance and struggling against Molina keeps him off the list for me.

You could argue AJ shouldnt be there as his level of opponents have been poor but considering he flattened Johnson who goes the distance with everyone I think its fair to add him in.

Marcos Maidana has all but retired.

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Lee and Maidana shouldnt be on the list and would replace them with AJ and Inoue. Its a P4P list so level of opponent should be taken into account and Maidana and Wilder look lacking to me at the top level.

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So you throw in Anthony Joshua? Who has he knocked out a HW worth a shit?

How can Deontay not be p4p on the hardest punchers list? He's 219-229lbs and he is the hardest banger at HW (which makes him the hardest banger in boxing), and he's fighting guys that have anywhere from 10-30lbs on him. Stiverne had 20lbs on him.

Anthony Joshua is a 250lb man.

To leave out Lucas Matthysse is ridiculous.

Walters should be in there too. And if you include heavyweights, which is a bit silly as "light" punching giants are gonna smash any average fighter, then Wilder is in.

Its hbo heavy, to be expected. A lot like when Lamps introduces the judges before the scores are read and points only to HBO aired bouts counting as "big experience fights" for them. Talk about loaded.

How Matthysse is not on there is odd though as he fights Saturday night.

Randall Bailey still active?

Looooool Andy Lee

Gtgo

Wilder?

Hell Joshua stoppong Johnson should earn him at least Andy Lees spot

1. Deontay Wilder
2. GGG
3. Kovalev
4. Lucas Matthysse
5. David Lemieux
6. Roman Gonzalez
7. Artur Beterbiev
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Keith Thurman
10. Takashi Uchiyama

You're welcome.

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Lee and Maidana shouldnt be on the list and would replace them with AJ and Inoue. Its a P4P list so level of opponent should be taken into account and Maidana and Wilder look lacking to me at the top level.

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So you throw in Anthony Joshua? Who has he knocked out a HW worth a shit?

How can Deontay not be p4p on the hardest punchers list? He's 219-229lbs and he is the hardest banger at HW (which makes him the hardest banger in boxing), and he's fighting guys that have anywhere from 10-30lbs on him. Stiverne had 20lbs on him.

Anthony Joshua is a 250lb man.

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He KOd Johnson who went the distance with Vitali and Fury. He stopped Love in 2 who went the distance with Briggs and 10 with Charles Martin. Wilder can obviously punch but failing to stop the only fighter with a pulse on his rec (including he was sick for the fight) is a telling sign that his power may be overrated. I question how a guy who goes 9 rounds with Eric Molina can be considered the hardest banger at heavyweight.

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He KOd Johnson who went the distance with Vitali and Fury. He stopped Love in 2 who went the distance with Briggs and 10 with Charles Martin. Wilder can obviously punch but failing to stop the only fighter with a pulse on his rec (including he was sick for the fight) is a telling sign that his power may be overrated. I question how a guy who goes 9 rounds with Eric Molina can be considered the hardest banger at heavyweight.

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Yeah but you're saying what they can do on the world class and then you're talking about guys like Kingpin and Love, who are complete garbage. Johnson was durable as hell, I'll give you that, but he's also 35 now, 6 years removed from going the distance with Vitali, and his career has been on a downward spiral ever since (I don't consider Fury to be a big HW puncher either, to be honest).

If you're talking about p4p power, you have to give it to Deontay. Anthony Joshua has about 30lbs of solid muscle on Deontay, and Wilder is still the biggest banger at HW. I don't think having an overly cautious outing against Molina takes that away. Molina was stopped early by Arreola, but that was a fight where Molina hurt Arreola and got caught going wild for the finish. Against Deontay, he fought very conservatively and was constantly waiting to counter, he never gave Wilder much to work off of.