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Which Fighters do you think are most guilty of just standing in front of Wlad with their Gloves up around their chin like a frozen statue, just standing there doing nothing just hoping to survive till the 5th or 6th round absorbing shots left and right and not trying to challenge him?
which fighters do you think are most guilty of totally under performing and under pressuring wlad?
Brock..... would you like those listed in chronological? Or alphabetical order?
David Haye.
Talked forever about how he was going to knock Wlad out, how he was going to save the HW division, how he was gonna do this and that. Got in Wlad's face outside the ring, insulted him, harrassed him, mocked him, made a T-shirt with a decapitated Wlad, hyped the fight to the highest extent...
...then did sweet fuck all and whined about a sore toe. :rolleyes:
Do you think he could have won?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
For sure it was a possibility if he landed on Wlad's chin, given Haye's considerable punching power.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictDo you think he could have won?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
That meant selling out, charging forward and risking getting knocked out himself, though, and Haye wasn't willing to do that.
A great ring general like Wlad can control his opponent and keep them from charging in. Wlad can knock you out with either hand. So I don't think it's simply a matter of guys not doing enough, it's more of Wlad taming the lion with his jab and the threat of his right hand or left hook smashing into your face.
But for Haye, a guy who talked so much trash and made so many big promises, I think he owed it to everyone to charge forward and try to make it happen.
BWAAAAAJAJAJAJA-duck-duck-SUCK!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Ruddock Bowe would destroy wlad
I mean, speaking on the assumption that it would have only taken a few punches to end the fight then yeah David Haye definitely could have won that fight.
He kept giving up too much ground too quickly. His feints and weaves were working, triggering Wlad's tendency to step back and so instead of edging forward, Haye would carry on retreating and undo a crucial part of the process, which was to get Wlad to panic punch.
I think the miscalculation in Wlad's speed upset Haye, cause obviously he thought he was the superior athlete... That and the sheer difference in physicality (was not prepared to be leaned on at all!)
RidDUCK Bowe hahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You'd need a Lennox Lewis to beat Wlad!
Yes Haye times a thousand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Wladimir Clinch-koQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerRidDUCK Bowe hahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You'd need a Lennox Lewis to beat Wlad!
Barney Rubble look a like Sultan Ibragimov? Entire fight was watching two mannequins being fitted for tuxedos.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Good one!
How about Ray "Rainman" Austin?
Huge behemoth, and I thought..... oh good.... someone with the size to challenge Wlad.
Then Rainman comes into the ring like a whimpering puppy in from the cold, and lays down to take his beating from Wlad.
The type of fight where I'd preface paying the fighter with the question: "How much were you supposed to get paid for this fight again?"
Wladimir----- practically the WORST HW Champ EVER.
FUCKING BITCH-ASS FACT.
Pianeta I thought could have tried harder but maybe he was rubbish anyway after watching his last performance.
You might as well have named this thread "David Haye didn't try enough against Wlad."
I used to think Wlad was bad for heavyweight boxing, but every time Haye's name is mentioned, I remember that there's someone far worse.
I would say Ibragimov and Haye come to mind, both those guys had a good chance to beat him.
Truth be told Wlad has kept the title clean in the sense he has beaten all these chumps who would have lost to one another anyway as they are all so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
Wlad has done us a favour which we will appreciate when he leaves the game.
You might be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTruth be told Wlad has kept the title clean in the sense he has beaten all these chumps who would have lost to one another anyway as they are all so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
Wlad has done us a favour which we will appreciate when he leaves the game.
All I see right now is a dreadful champion in a dreadful heavyweight division. God knows how bad it's going to be once Wlad does call it a day. If Joshua turns out to be a fraud there really is no hope.
I suppose Fury beating Wlad would be good for heavyweight boxing purely because he's a colourful character, but that's about it.
Wald has been Champ for 10 years that in it self is something to use him not being the worse. I mean got Tyson who lost to fucking 40-1 underdog near his peak that shit is a laugh and then goes on to lose to a older Holyfeild and Lennox the top comp of his day. Holyfeild my favorite fighter was up and down as a champ unbeatable to a guy having a heart attack the next. Being champ that long is not easy because shit happens and you can be ended in a punch by much lesser guys. Look at Lewis loses all his skill when to shit and he got koed not to mention having the fight of his live with Mecer his skills should of out boxed him not problem shit happens though. This era is no worse then 20's,30's,40's,50's,60's,80's, and the 00's the only ones way better are the 70's and the 90's thats it people need look at these decades.
Uh... wrong thread.
This isn't another thread about how good is or isn't Wlad.
This is a thread of which and how many fighters didn't try hard enough against Wlad.
The answer is, and continues to be: A LOT.
However you rank Wlad among heavyweights, there is no escaping the fact that many..... MANY of Wlad's opponents completely underwhelmed on fight night. That has been my pet peeve since Day One. Read back through the fighters named on here, and you'll see what I mean. You mention Tyson losing to Douglas..... well Douglas came to fight. He put on the performance of his entire career. He wasn't scared of Tyson. See the difference?
Yeah but that seems like quite the coincidence, doesn't it? Guys look great, they're knocking everyone out, then they fight Wlad and they look like shit. I don't these guys are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart, that they are all huge Wlad fans and couldn't bare to see him lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what a master boxer does, he's the ring general and he controls and tames his opponent. It's the same thing Lennox did, it's what Floyd does, and you get guys looking underwhelming against them because they're controlled. Lennox turned an absolute murderer in David Tua into a teddy bear in their fight. Floyd limited Pac to less punches thrown than Floyd threw. It's not an accident. These guys control range and angles so well it makes guys have to work extra hard to get into punching position and have to sell themselves out so they run the risk of running into a counter.
It's easier said than done to throw on a guy like Wlad who has one-punch power in both hands, is constantly in position to dart away from the punch and is constantly jabbing to keep you off balance. It's the mark of a great fighter to do what Wlad does.
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah but that seems like quite the coincidence, doesn't it? Guys look great, they're knocking everyone out, then they fight Wlad and they look like shit. I don't these guys are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart, that they are all huge Wlad fans and couldn't bare to see him lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what a master boxer does, he's the ring general and he controls and tames his opponent. It's the same thing Lennox did, it's what Floyd does, and you get guys looking underwhelming against them because they're controlled. Lennox turned an absolute murderer in David Tua into a teddy bear in their fight. Floyd limited Pac to less punches thrown than Floyd threw. It's not an accident. These guys control range and angles so well it makes guys have to work extra hard to get into punching position and have to sell themselves out so they run the risk of running into a counter.
It's easier said than done to throw on a guy like Wlad who has one-punch power in both hands, is constantly in position to dart away from the punch and is constantly jabbing to keep you off balance. It's the mark of a great fighter to do what Wlad does.
You're giving Wlad's opponents waaaay too much credit, IMO. Did you see the Ray Austin fight? Tell me at what point Austin appeared to throw a punch in anger at Wlad. How about Sultan? Twelve miserable rounds of incessant pawing at an opponent (Wlad) who, curiously, was just as scared of getting tagged with Sultan's vaunted left hand. Haye? As was said earlier, if Haye didn't break Guinness records in trash talking before the fight..... he came pretty damn close. And what did he do in the fight? Diddly squat..... and then proceeded to blame his big toe.
The only one I'll give you is Povetkin. The guy put in an honest effort, and tried to win. What nobody foresaw, however, were Wlad's ridiculous mauling, grappling and fouling tactics. Whatever it takes to win.
The Pianetas and Leapais of the world probably wanted to win, too. But they were so ridiculously outgunned (and never should've been there in the first place).... it's difficult to give Wlad credit on those as well.
No. Wlad's collective opponents get no break in my book. I may have to grudgingly give Wlad credit for dominating the division for the last forever years. But I'm not about to let the collective heap of garbage that has paraded in front of Wlad off the hook.
You have said it best right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah but that seems like quite the coincidence, doesn't it? Guys look great, they're knocking everyone out, then they fight Wlad and they look like shit. I don't these guys are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart, that they are all huge Wlad fans and couldn't bare to see him lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's what a master boxer does, he's the ring general and he controls and tames his opponent. It's the same thing Lennox did, it's what Floyd does, and you get guys looking underwhelming against them because they're controlled. Lennox turned an absolute murderer in David Tua into a teddy bear in their fight. Floyd limited Pac to less punches thrown than Floyd threw. It's not an accident. These guys control range and angles so well it makes guys have to work extra hard to get into punching position and have to sell themselves out so they run the risk of running into a counter.
It's easier said than done to throw on a guy like Wlad who has one-punch power in both hands, is constantly in position to dart away from the punch and is constantly jabbing to keep you off balance. It's the mark of a great fighter to do what Wlad does.
You're giving Wlad's opponents waaaay too much credit, IMO. Did you see the Ray Austin fight? Tell me at what point Austin appeared to throw a punch in anger at Wlad. How about Sultan? Twelve miserable rounds of incessant pawing at an opponent (Wlad) who, curiously, was just as scared of getting tagged with Sultan's vaunted left hand. Haye? As was said earlier, if Haye didn't break Guinness records in trash talking before the fight..... he came pretty damn close. And what did he do in the fight? Diddly squat..... and then proceeded to blame his big toe.
The only one I'll give you is Povetkin. The guy put in an honest effort, and tried to win. What nobody foresaw, however, were Wlad's ridiculous mauling, grappling and fouling tactics. Whatever it takes to win.
The Pianetas and Leapais of the world probably wanted to win, too. But they were so ridiculously outgunned (and never should've been there in the first place).... it's difficult to give Wlad credit on those as well.
No. Wlad's collective opponents get no break in my book. I may have to grudgingly give Wlad credit for dominating the division for the last forever years. But I'm not about to let the collective heap of garbage that has paraded in front of Wlad off the hook.
Now I'LL say this:
Wladimir Klitschko sucks shit.
How is this any different then Tyson opponents being scared of him before the walked into the ring. Then have Louis fighting fucking bar tenders this is not something new really dude. I mean got a guy with knock out power, reach, knows all the tricks and is a athletic freak. I do not think his opponents are that great but out of all the fights Wald has had he had a few were got iced. Since then he kinda got his style down to make everyone to look like shit because it is hard to deal with a great boxer who has power and size over them. I mean say he were a heavyweight what would you do to get Wald out there with out the fear of getting iced the or be stopped in your tracks by his jab it would be huge wake up call in the fight knowing that you are out of your league when you get hit it throws a person off pretty much.
Good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Tyson fought Razor Ruddock (twice), Golota, lost to Douglas, Holyfield (twice), Lewis. Ruddock was a feared puncher, and they staged classic fights. Golota was a bit dumb, on account he couldn't help getting DQ'ed against Bowe. But none of these guys went in there scared. Now go back and watch Wlad-Austin, Wlad-Sultan, Wlad-Haye. Compared to the Tyson fights, they were shit. All those bums went in looking for a place to land.
Wlad fights fall into one of three categories:
1. Opponent goes in like sacrificial lamb. Wlad decides the guy poses no danger. Quick knockout. Shit fight.
2. Opponent turns in a fair effort, but is a bum to begin with (Pianeta, Leapai). Wlad knows this... keeps them at bay with jab. Knocks them out.
3. Opponent is an actual danger to Wlad. Wlad knows this. Wlad grapples, holds, clinches, and mauls. Opponent is frustrated, gets wild, makes himself open... Wlad scores enough to win.
End of.
Wlad's opponents have turned in abysmal efforts... end of story.
When did anyone ever complain about Tyson fights being shit?
"Never" is the correct answer.
Yeah, Tyson had his share of scared opponents... but he also had the Ruddocks and the Tony Tuckers and the Golotas.
When Tyson was reigning over the division, the division was popular.
Where is the division's popularity now?
In the shitter..... is the correct answer.
So in summary.... whether you rate Wlad high or low in the alltime HW list.... his opponents have the worst in HW history... hands down.
Tito the division is huge over seas with Europe and Russia what are talking about. Wald fills out stadiums and is watch on tv by everyone there shit the leader of Russia has him attend all the party and functions there i say he is the most poplar hw there been because Holyfeild, Tyson, and Lewis were not asked by the leader of the countries to hang out all time. I would like a great heavyweight champ but if we just view how popular things are by our country then you are kinda missing a bigger picture. Wald last few fights i thought were pretty good had a good ko and a good pace decision there were god awful or anything dude. Wald has had some good opponents but he kinda shut them down so hard that i not really going to blame them for it really because there facing atg who is fucking huge and can box.
Pretty much every challenger to wvlad accepted defeat and gave up mentally. All except Povetkin. I dont think that accusation could be levelled at him. He kept trying and fought out of his skin but wvlad was pretty dirty that night. Heavyweight vs super heavyweight but it was a good learning experience for the Russian who hadn't dealt with that style before
Hayes performance was very disappointing given all his talk before the fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUt3Yte5zRkQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Seems like a mighty big coincidence that all these guys freely decided to not put in a big effort in the biggest fight of their lives, doesn't it? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerSeems like a mighty big coincidence that all these guys freely decided to not put in a big effort in the biggest fight of their lives, doesn't it? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Intimidation Bean....... intimidation. It does funny things to a man. I've given you some hard examples. Austin. He had the physical tools. His effort, though, was shameful. Sultan all he did for 12 rounds was meekly paw his jab and stay away. Wlad didn't force any action, either. Haye talked a bunch of sh*t.... but didn't back it up.
Wlad fans take this as an affront against Wlad. It isn't (well... except for his dirty fight vs Povetkin). It's a condemnation of his opponents. Every other HW champion in recent memory had their memorable fights. Tell me how many memorable battles Wlad has had. Then people claim Wlad isn't liked in the States 'cause he isn't American. Hogwash! I think that's a convenient excuse, to hide the real fact that Wlad isn't popular in the States because his fights are as dull as dishwater.
Wlad himself hasn't done himself any favors. He obviously enjoys his inmense popularity in Europe, and has done f*ck all to try and win over Stateside fans. That's obviously his choice... but then again it's the right of us fans not to like him for it. If he was a true ATG in his division, he'd make more of an effort to fight in the U.S. more often... and engage like the Tysons, the Lewises, and the Foremans used to do.
Well to be fair there really not the need for Wald really to do much guys been champ for 10 years and beaten everyone. Sure i guess he could fight with more gusto but he is making 10 mill a fight sometimes more and he fucking worshiped over seas does not really need us as much. Lewis was not really liked that much either till he hung up his gloves really. Tyson and Holyfeild were very popular but at the same time they were american fighters. You do not have to be american to be loved but having a champ who grow up in ussr i not sure it helps if was american people would like him more by how much who knows. The problem really is if he can be love by Europe and Russia not to mention making a shit ton of money fighting his way it is really hard to argue with what he wants to do its a no brainer really if you think about it.
Intimidation? You really think so many pro fighters are scared to death of Wlad that they go in there and don't put up an effort?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Or is it more plausible that he uses his jab, reach, movement and constant threat of a counter to discourage guys from throwing?
It's one thing to punch a heavybag with arms like Arreola, it's another to mount offence against a guy who is constantly darting back when you make any forward movement, is constantly cocked to throw a counter straight right or left hook from his hip, is smashing you in the face with the hardest jab in boxing, and has a height and reach advantage and is a master at controlling that safe distance.