25 best fighters of the last 25 years. Fact.

This list is from Tris Dixon the former editor of BoxingNews. He gives a brief summation/reason for each fighter on the link - The 25 best fighters of the last 25 years - | Boxing News - boxing news, results, rankings, schedules since 1909

I started out shaking my head but when it got to the top ten I started to realise why I was shaking my head at first - some seriously great fighters.

25 Dariusz Michalczewski
24 Michael Moorer
23 Kostya Tszyu
22 Andre Ward
21 Joe Calzaghe
20 James Toney
19 Vitali Klitshcko
18 Michael Carbajal
17 Wladimir Klitshcko
16 Oscar De La Hoya
15 Shane Mosley
14 Miguel Cotto
13 Felix Trinidad
12 Erik Morales
11 Marco Antonio Barrera
10 Evander Holyfield
9 Juan Manuel Marquez
8 Julio Cesar Chavez
7 Pernell Whitaker
6 Ricardo Lopez
5 Lennox Lewis
4 Bernard Hopkins
3 Manny Pacquiao
2 Floyd Mayweather Jnr
1 Roy Jones Jnr

Ya'll Must Have Forgot!!!

Pick the bones out of that?

Lol I think I hear Ross screaming!

Floyd beats anyone in history from 130-147lbs, Roy Jones beats anyone in history from 160-175lbs. FACT.

And that's not what some of you want to hear, but it's true.

This list is overloaded with fighters from the New World.
I wonder what this list will look like in another 10, 15 or 25 years?

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Floyd beats anyone in history from 130-147lbs, Roy Jones beats anyone in history from 160-175lbs. FACT.

And that's not what some of you want to hear, but it's true.

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Lol
Why do you constantly let your enthusiasm pull you 'out of bounds'?

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Floyd beats anyone in history from 130-147lbs, Roy Jones beats anyone in history from 160-175lbs. FACT.

And that's not what some of you want to hear, but it's true.

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Roy didn't beat Tarver or Johnson, so it doesn't appear to be a fact.

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Floyd beats anyone in history from 130-147lbs, Roy Jones beats anyone in history from 160-175lbs. FACT.

And that's not what some of you want to hear, but it's true.

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Roy didn't beat Tarver or Johnson, so it doesn't appear to be a fact.

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I'm talking prime, baby.

I would not have Moorer on the list ever. He was wasted talent, with a china chin and had very little enthusiasm for the game.

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Floyd beats anyone in history from 130-147lbs, Roy Jones beats anyone in history from 160-175lbs. FACT.

And that's not what some of you want to hear, but it's true.

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Lol
Why do you constantly let your enthusiasm pull you 'out of bounds'?

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Out of bounds? These are things I believe!

There's not a guy from 160-175 that I would pick to beat a prime Roy Jones, and there's not a guy from 130-147 I would pick to beat Mayweather.

Sure, there are guys that could have beat them. Hearns could have landed a right hand and knocked Floyd cold. Bob Foster could have landed a left hook and knocked Roy out cold. Anything can happen in a fight.

I'm just saying if I'm the bookie and Mayweather/Hearns is signed at WW, I'm putting Mayweather as the favorite. Roy Jones/Archie Moore at 175, I'm putting Jones as the favorite.

If people don't see it that way, that's cool. It's just my opinion.

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Floyd beats anyone in history from 130-147lbs, Roy Jones beats anyone in history from 160-175lbs. FACT.

And that's not what some of you want to hear, but it's true.

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Lol
Why do you constantly let your enthusiasm pull you 'out of bounds'?

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Out of bounds? These are things I believe!

There's not a guy from 160-175 that I would pick to beat a prime Roy Jones, and there's not a guy from 130-147 I would pick to beat Mayweather.

Sure, there are guys that could have beat them. Hearns could have landed a right hand and knocked Floyd cold. Bob Foster could have landed a left hook and knocked Roy out cold. Anything can happen in a fight.

I'm just saying if I'm the bookie and Mayweather/Hearns is signed at WW, I'm putting Mayweather as the favorite. Roy Jones/Archie Moore at 175, I'm putting Jones as the favorite.

If people don't see it that way, that's cool. It's just my opinion.

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Your original post stated your opinion as fact. That was why you got the responses you did. If you had said that in your opinion Roy and Floyd could have beaten anyone ever, then you probably would have only received counter viewpoints of other people's opinions. That being g said, you seem to become hostile of someone posts a differing opinion and immediately go on the offensive.

As for Roy beating anyone in history, due to his athleticism and unorthodox style I feel that any 160-168 pounder has big problems with Roy. One mistake and he can end it or hurt u so that u go on the defensive. That being said, when u look at the guys he fought, he stayed away from long, slick, good boxers. Roy was still as fast as ever in his first two fights w Tarver. He was prime. Tarver n Johnson ruined him. Watch the Eric Harding fight. Roy struggled until Harding dislocated his shoulder. Nunn and Liles were those type of fighters and Roy stayed well away. He also failed to fight G-Man, Benn, Collins, Eubank, Darius, Gracciano, Jirov to name a few. While I don't think Floyd was a duck, Roy definitely was. He had the potential to beat anyone head to head but fought pathetic opposition I his prime. He is ranked behind Hop, Pac, Floyd, Evander, Pea, JCC on my list of ATG fighters of his generation.

A million and one things to debate obviously, but what sticks out to me is that there are a lot of guys below Cotto on the list that I would have above him. The MAB/Morales thing is interesting . I was a MAB fan as opposed to Morales, but many would have it the other way round.

Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. I have Pea at or near the top. He was NEVER destroyed like Lennox was, even when fighting well past his prime. I have my daughters bday party to go to, but I definitely see some inconsistencies and bias in those rankings. I think they are pretty bad...

No Terry Norris or Canizales ?

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No Terry Norris or Canizales ?

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Good ones!

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This list is overloaded with fighters from the New World.
I wonder what this list will look like in another 10, 15 or 25 years?

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It's the best since 1990. In 25 years time half of them probably wont make the best of the last 50 years list. There'll forever be a new kid on the block

Whats everyones opinion on ODLH? I wouldnt have him anywhere near the top 25.

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Whats everyones opinion on ODLH? I wouldnt have him anywhere near the top 25.

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Well, he's better than Cotto. But otherwise, he's on par with Holyfield who was also up and down.

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Whats everyones opinion on ODLH? I wouldnt have him anywhere near the top 25.

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Oscar was pretty dominant early on. His first struggle/questionable decision was Sweet Pea. The Quartey fight was close, but everyone expected it to be tough. I thought he deserved the Tito win. Those were HUGE fights. If you look at Oscars quality of opposition, he fought the best. Evander may be the only guy of that time who fought as good of opposition, and he had some losses as well. I'm good with putting Oscar in the top 25 (of his generation), easily.

I haven't seen Oscar's fight with Tito or the second Mosley fight in donkey's years but thought he won both of them.

I think you can make a case for him being ranked too low. He fought/beat SEVEN of the top 15 on this list. In fact, you could make an argument that he should be ranked above Roy on quality of opposition alone.

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Your original post stated your opinion as fact.

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Yeah, it's FACT that it's my opinion. ;D

utter bollox

BRUUUUUNNNNOOOOOO!

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. For me the top 5 of the last 25 are...

1. Floyd
2. Roy Jones
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Manny Pacquiao

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. For me the top 5 of the last 25 are...

1. Floyd
2. Roy Jones
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Manny Pacquiao

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bruno

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. For me the top 5 of the last 25 are...

1. Floyd
2. Roy Jones
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Manny Pacquiao

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If it was the past 35 years I would have agreed but I think Bruno squeezes in at top 30 at best.

38 KOs in 40 wins. What else is there to say? Total beast.

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. For me the top 5 of the last 25 are...

1. Floyd
2. Roy Jones
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Manny Pacquiao

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bruno

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If it was the past 35 years I would have agreed but I think Bruno squeezes in at top 30 at best.

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best lb4lb HW of all time? top 30? what are you on about?

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I would not have Moorer on the list ever. He was wasted talent, with a china chin and had very little enthusiasm for the game.

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Agreed, @Master .
That would be my lone objection to the list.

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. For me the top 5 of the last 25 are...

1. Floyd
2. Roy Jones
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Manny Pacquiao

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bruno

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If it was the past 35 years I would have agreed but I think Bruno squeezes in at top 30 at best.

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best lb4lb HW of all time? top 30? what are you on about?

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I know, I know. The comment is a little 'out there' but I just feel that Bruno of the 90's only did so well by way of guile and guts after his electrifying speed started to fade.
A bit like Ali; he always found a way to hang on and win.

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I would not have Moorer on the list ever. He was wasted talent, with a china chin and had very little enthusiasm for the game.

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Agreed, @<a href="http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/member.php?u=12604" target="_blank">Master</a> .
That would be my lone objection to the list.

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One of my favourite fights ;D The best part is after Moorer gets KO'd and you can see his corner man dramatically shake his head and yell "DAMN!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LogWnXbEWOc

A post prison 90's Tyson would have smashed Moorer.

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I would not have Moorer on the list ever. He was wasted talent, with a china chin and had very little enthusiasm for the game.

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Agreed, @<a href="http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/member.php?u=12604" target="_blank">Master</a> .
That would be my lone objection to the list.

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One of my favourite fights ;D The best part is after Moorer gets KO'd and you can see his corner man dramatically shake his head and yell "DAMN!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LogWnXbEWOc

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Wow! "Damn" is right.
I heard Emanuel remark to Lampley after the fight how Moorer "didn't really like" boxing.
I'll bet he really hated it after that fight.

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This list is overloaded with fighters from the New World.
I wonder what this list will look like in another 10, 15 or 25 years?

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It's the best since 1990. In 25 years time half of them probably wont make the best of the last 50 years list. There'll forever be a new kid on the block

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No doubt about that but I was thinking that in 10, 15, or 25 years there might be a lot more Russians, Brits, and some Chinese on the list.

Ima get shat on but tito to high, Floyd to low n id have wlad n jmm higher

Also im drunk n on the beach

Haha never mind floyd is 2on the list

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This list is overloaded with fighters from the New World.
I wonder what this list will look like in another 10, 15 or 25 years?

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It's the best since 1990. In 25 years time half of them probably wont make the best of the last 50 years list. There'll forever be a new kid on the block

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No doubt about that but I was thinking that in 10, 15, or 25 years there might be a lot more Russians, Brits, and some Chinese on the list.

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I missed your point.

Basically you have to be based in America to make these lists, so now that the Eastern Europeans are basing themselves in the States, you'd have to expect they'll be looked at much more fondly in time.

I think only American (and Puerto Rican ---- and possibly part Mexican part American) people believe that shit ;D

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Yeah cotto definitely overrated imo.
Possibly Lennox Lewis too. Him better than Pernell? I don't really think so??

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Agreed. For me the top 5 of the last 25 are...

1. Floyd
2. Roy Jones
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Manny Pacquiao

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If it was the past 35 years I would have agreed but I think Bruno squeezes in at top 30 at best.

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best lb4lb HW of all time? top 30? what are you on about?

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I know, I know. The comment is a little 'out there' but I just feel that Bruno of the 90's only did so well by way of guile and guts after his electrifying speed started to fade.
A bit like Ali; he always found a way to hang on and win.

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im gonna like your post, even tho i dont like it