Rocky Marciano could NEVER beat Wlad.
David Tua could NEVER beat Lennox.
Joe Frazier could NEVER beat ForemaN.
ETC.....
ALL BECAUSE OF SIZE.
FACT.
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Rocky Marciano could NEVER beat Wlad.
David Tua could NEVER beat Lennox.
Joe Frazier could NEVER beat ForemaN.
ETC.....
ALL BECAUSE OF SIZE.
FACT.
Hard to argue with that if the skills are close. A good big man beats a good small man 95% of the time. It's 5% that keeps us on the edges of our seats and coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Size does not matter if the skill, experience and heart of the smaller fighter is better and stronger.
Frazier v Foreman was more about style of boxing than size.
Tyson smashes Wlad, Bowe or beats Vitali with certainty.
Great skill can overcome size. SRR overcame Lamotta. Floyd overcomes size is pretty much every fight.
Lamotta was limited to SRR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Of course it does. That's why we have weight classes.
Heavyweights are the oddity because there is no upper limit. Honestly there is reasonable logic that the 230+ mob should be in a class of their own.
I agree with most of this Brock but then when I add a prime mike tyson to the list the theory falls apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
No one would walk through oliver Mccall or vitali but Tyson has the potential to do anything.
size matter but there are some rare moments in this sport
Floyd, Floyd, Floyd!! Does it always have to be about Floyd?? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
ferocious animal Mike Tyson could beat anybody in his very rare case he is one of the five percent who will break the pattern that I mentioned above. 95 percent of smaller files will not beat largerQuote:
Originally Posted by impI agree with most of this Brock but then when I add a prime mike tyson to the list the theory falls apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
No one would walk through oliver Mccall or vitali but Tyson has the potential to do anything.
Can't help it, he is the best example for this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedFloyd, Floyd, Floyd!! Does it always have to be about Floyd?? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
This. Since boxing is divided into weight classes, fighters are facing opponents of roughly similar size. Size matters a lot more in other sports. Basketball and height, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Outside of the HW division, I'm not sure how meaningful the "size matters" argument is. Maybe it explains an outlier like Hearns at welter, specifically his 1-punch KO ability, but even then he lost to the smaller SRL.
But going back to the HW division, I not sure how determinate a factor size is. That's because extremely large boxers tend to lack coordination. That's why Primo Carnera couldn't just walk over Joe Louis. Mike Tyson routinely KOed much larger men, as his power was generated by a speed and movement that larger men usually don't have and can't react fast enough to.
I was going to mention manny but after 6 losses and being stretched by little old marquez its not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerCan't help it, he is the best example for this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedFloyd, Floyd, Floyd!! Does it always have to be about Floyd?? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
(Sorry, I loved saying that post floyd)
Who has Floyd been much smaller then. Only one I can think of is Alvarez. Hes bigger then Pac and Not much between him and Maidana, Guerrero, Cotto, Ortiz, Mosely, Marquez, Hatton etc. I dont get this myth that Floyds been stepping out of his comfrot zone to face giants. If that was the case why the heck would Floyd Pac have been at 147?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Mike Tyson is a unique physical specimen. A one in 100,000. You look at him as an old man facing Kevin McBride and you see what most other heavyweights his size would have to cope with when facing guys over 230lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManjuThis. Since boxing is divided into weight classes, fighters are facing opponents of roughly similar size. Size matters a lot more in other sports. Basketball and height, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Outside of the HW division, I'm not sure how meaningful the "size matters" argument is. Maybe it explains an outlier like Hearns at welter, specifically his 1-punch KO ability, but even then he lost to the smaller SRL.
But going back to the HW division, I not sure how determinate a factor size is. That's because extremely large boxers tend to lack coordination. That's why Primo Carnera couldn't just walk over Joe Louis. Mike Tyson routinely KOed much larger men, as his power was generated by a speed and movement that larger men usually don't have and can't react fast enough to.
Size is a factor but not 95% skill, experience, courage, mental determination and heart make as equal or more difference.