Re: If not Berto...then who?
In no particular order...
Thurman
Kel Brook
Danny Garcia
Shawn Porter
Timothy Bradley
Amir Khan
Jermell Charlo
Sadam Ali
Matthysse
Postol
Off the top of my head, those fights would have been more interesting than Berto.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
I think his 50th will probably be against the winner of Cotto/Canelo, so he can add "linear MW champ" to his resume and retire.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Boxer4life
Obviously Floyd picked an easy fight, but can we honestly say there is a tough fight out there for him?
The suggestions being thrown out are just as much a joke as Berto. He beat Manny, there are literally no threats left unless Cotto can get passed Canelo. Considering how much Freddie studied Floyd and how much trouble Cotto gave him, it's the only fight that carries some measure of "maybe Mayweather can lose." Otherwise, no matter who of the bunch Floyd picked, we would be watching him cruise to a victory. I challenge anyone to name a threat to Floyd at this point?
All I'm waiting for now is to see who Manny fights next and how he looks. I have a slight feeling Floyds 50th will be a Manny rematch. Subtract all the disappointed casual fans, and you will still get well over 2 million buys for that fight. It makes sense no?
Cotto could have made a strong case and sold it by playing off their last fight if he had the right personality. Making claims (whether they are fact or not) like:
"I was stronger than you", "You barely beat me", "I'll knock your ass out next time and you know it" or whatever.
It's no secret that Floyd is a sensitive guy and would have taken the bait. Mosley did it by interrupting Floyd's interview (after the Marquez fight I think).
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Thurman, Khan and Brooks would be 3 hungry young fighters that would have a better chance and desire to win.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
You can't really Blame Floyd, but no fighter should have such control of a sport that he can pick and choose who he fights,especially to the extent of a mismatch against someone barely in the top 20 in the division. Floyd has had a complete gut full of boxing and just wants this fight over. I commend him for seeing out his contract, and I think he's genuine when he says he is definitely retiring. You can never tell if anyone "gets the itch again" after a certain amount of time, but I reckon there will be no 50th fight.
In answer to the question, if the people who are supposed to control boxing had the balls to do something about it, in order, I think:
Bradley
Thurman/Brook
And that's it. Nobody is saying they could win, but they are the best he hasn't fought in the division and deserve it.
Cotto , Canelo, Pac - been there , done that, why should he? And what would be different?
GGG at 154lbs - let's be fair, as interesting and challenging as it sounds,why should Floyd, at 38, put himself at all the disadvantages just to make everyone happy? Floyd has never been a proper LMW, and GGG is a very powerful guy. Having said all that, if it ever happened,I would still make Floyd favourite.
Khan - no more worthy than Berto really, and why should he be able to talk his way into a big payday. Nobody else did. Fuck him.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
GGG should call out that Fraud and say I am the true middleweight champion and do not even pretend Cotto v Canelo is!
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
imp
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Master
GGG should call out that Fraud and say I am the true middleweight champion and do not even pretend Cotto v Canelo is!
GGG should stop bullying the little ones and call out ward.
GGG will make money with the victor of the canelo/cotto winner so I can't blame him for doing that but the real purist know he won't set foot in the ring with ward.
The real purist know that Canelo v Cotto is not for the middleweight title especially when Floyd takes on the winner for his 50th fight. 2 fighters he has already beat.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Yes I agree but Fraud better not sell his fight with Canelo/Cotto as middleweight champion.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
imp
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Master
Quote:
Originally Posted by
imp
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Master
GGG should call out that Fraud and say I am the true middleweight champion and do not even pretend Cotto v Canelo is!
GGG should stop bullying the little ones and call out ward.
GGG will make money with the victor of the canelo/cotto winner so I can't blame him for doing that but the real purist know he won't set foot in the ring with ward.
The real purist know that Canelo v Cotto is not for the middleweight title especially when Floyd takes on the winner for his 50th fight. 2 fighters he has already beat.
Floyd has fought every type of style and beat every type of style and will never fight at 160.
He is on the throne whether we like it or not and if cotto does the business I expect a rematch.
GGG can get canelo and step up to 168 and fight a degale or groves then ward.
We all know floyd is fighting out of his weight class and is a multi weight champion
GGG was happy to fight a blown up crusierweight in chavez jr but seems to ignore the P4P no.2 in andre ward.
No more excuses.
Why is GGG team steering him away from ward?...because we all know what will happen.
Hang on a minute, GGG is not a SMW, but even so, it's likely he beats every SMW out there EXCEPT Ward. So if he's fighting Ward, he wants a catch weight. Obviously that isn't going to happen, forget about it. Why is everyone obsessed about going through the weights? Floyd can do it, but Floyd is EXCEPTIONAL!
Ward is the finest SMW on the planet by a long way, but he doesn't fight enough, and despite talking about just about everyone, he fights Paul Smith! I didn't hear you talk about Ward fighting Kovalev?
And don't start me on Canelo & Cotto, they're both making themselves look a pair of pricks blatantly avoiding GGG. I guarantee that whoever wins, WILL NOT fight GGG.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
I'd 'get' Berto a hell of a lot easier if not for some absurd PPV price tag. Instead of one finger he holds up both. This cow won't be fit for chuck steak once he's done milking
Re: If not Berto...then who?
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
So that justifies the fight. Mr Fraud can get a legitimate knockout against a real welterweight which has not happened to tbe.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
I think guys like Thurman, Brook, Porter and even Khan have a shot.
Mayweather is old and over the hill, who knows when he's suddenly going to "get old overnight" and have a Roy Jones/Tarver 2 moment.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
I think guys like Thurman, Brook, Porter and even Khan have a shot.
Mayweather is old and over the hill, who knows when he's suddenly going to "get old overnight" and have a Roy Jones/Tarver 2 moment.
Here's hoping.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Master
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
So that justifies the fight. Mr Fraud can get a legitimate knockout against a real welterweight which has not happened to tbe.
Yea why not any one who thinks thurman or brook will have a shot of beating Floyd need there head tested. I'm looking forward to this fight now I think something's happend between Floyd and berto years ago because Floyd doesn't like him so might be a good action fight as berto will go all out
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
I think guys like Thurman, Brook, Porter and even Khan have a shot.
Mayweather is old and over the hill, who knows when he's suddenly going to "get old overnight" and have a Roy Jones/Tarver 2 moment.
I do reckon Khan could upset Floyd but the rest have no chance even an old Floyd still miles ahead of these new guys
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Regardless of whether or not they have a shot, they're still top ranked guys.
Kel is ranked #1 by Ring Magazine, Khan at #3, Thurman #5, Porter #6. Even Sadam Ali and Danny Garcia are 9 and 10 respectively. It's doubtful that Berto is even in the top 15. I noticed Boxrec has him ranked at #22.
Can Kel Brook or Thurman beat Mayweather? Probably not, but I'd rather see a top 5 guy take a crack at him than a guy who might not even be in the top 20.
I mean you'd have to go back probably 15 years or so to find an instance where Floyd fought such a low ranked opponent. Even when you look at some of Floyd's less than competitive fights over the years, Carlos Baldomir was the linear WW champ when Floyd fought him, he was actually ranked higher than Floyd. Arturo Gatti was actually ranked #1 at 140 in 2005, just below champ Tsyzu and ahead of Floyd. Mosley was the #3 p4p guy and ranked #2 a WW (again, ahead of Floyd) when Floyd fought him.
So it really is a shit fight no matter how you look at it.
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Brook.
I think Brook would cause more damage if he got Floyd against the ropes the way manny did a few times!
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Vendettos
Brook.
I think Brook would cause more damage if he got Floyd against the ropes the way manny did a few times!
There was a time when being against the ropes was Floyd's strength, not he can't slip punches on the ropes like he used to in order to counter effectively. He ends up exchanging blows more often than he wants (see Cotto/Maidana I fights), so he resorts to running back out to the center of the ring (Maidana II) .
Re: If not Berto...then who?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Master
Quote:
Originally Posted by
g3org3
I don't mind the berto fight to be honest cause there's no one who can beat Floyd anyway so at least with berto we might see Floyd get the stoppage.
So that justifies the fight. Mr Fraud can get a legitimate knockout against a real welterweight which has not happened to tbe.
Yea why not any one who thinks thurman or brook will have a shot of beating Floyd need there head tested. I'm looking forward to this fight now I think something's happend between Floyd and berto years ago because Floyd doesn't like him so might be a good action fight as berto will go all out
You are making up a story in your head about a dispute between Floyd and Berto. If Floyd had any dislike with Berto he would not give him the payday. I think they are friends.
Maybe Thurman is too green but at least he will give it a go and has more chance against Floyd. Anyone who thinks different is wrong.
