These two are widely considered to have the fastest hands in HW history.
Well, who had the faster hands?
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These two are widely considered to have the fastest hands in HW history.
Well, who had the faster hands?
Fury has much faster hands than Ali had!
Aint that right @ross ?
Ill play along so that you have some fun before you get banned;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
No its not Vendettos:D
Hard to say, totally different builds and styles, neither could come close to showing the same type of speed/quickness as the other imo. Ali was fast as hell in his prime, but he stayed outside and did shoeshine quite a bit. Tyson turned everything over but couldn't fight at that range, he was something like 6" shorter and probably at an even greater deficit in reach.
Close but have to go with Tyson.
http://youtu.be/MF17mkqyf44
Tyson thinks Ali would have beat him.
But does Tyson think Ali was faster?
In my opinion Ali had the faster reflexes and his jab was faster than any single punch Tyson threw in his prime. Their feet are very close in speed, with Ali faster moving laterally and Tyson faster at creating the angle/shifting. Where Ali was faster with single shots, Tyson was faster throwing combinations and also delivered more power throughout the combos.
I think Tyson edges it.
Ali had faster hands, but Tysons hands were 2nd to Ali while having twice the power.
floyd Patterson had hands that were at least as quick as those two guys. I think Floyd possibly had the fastest hands in heavyweight championship history
And Ali thinks Tyson would beat him. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Tyson was by far the more explosive. Things in short bursts. Here, there, side-to-side, boom-boom-boom.
Whereas Ali was more balletic with better reflexes, maybe better timing.
Both were equally capable of rattling off silly combinations just in different ways.
Who had the nerve to compare FuryQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
to Ali? Had to be a Brit!
This put it into perspective for me. I would have to go with Tyson, for the mere fact that his punches had all into them and Ali was just a shoe-shine kinda puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
67-70 Ali hands down.
Tyson pre prison faster than Ali post 1970
Long range it goes to Ali but on the inside it is Tyson hands down.
I agree and Tyson definitely enjoyed it more. If there was no inside there wouldn't have been a Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
I don't agree that Tyson was an inside fighter. He actually took a lot of criticism in the early days for not fighting on the inside (watch the Pinklon Thomas first few rounds)
I recall that Tyson used to unload on the way in, not while he was 'in'. Perhaps people think he was an inside fighter because his preferred punching range was inevitably closer than the other guy's because of his much shorter arms. Tyson was actually quite passive on the inside and allowed himself to be held, so the ref could separate them and he could start his approach run again.
Faster Hands
#1... Cassius Clay
#2... Mike Tyson
#3... Muhammad Ali
Rooney use to remind Tyson to fight on the inside. Mike did throw combinations inside ask Bruno.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Have to go Ali early career easy. Much better at varying power going different directions. Tyson had the quick shift and torque with guys knowing the very first may be the last. I'd seriously hate to be hit by Tyson.
Ali with has the faster hands (Natural ability, reflexes) and tyson had the faster body over all (Through repetition, muscle memory and practice). Tyson's hands look faster at times because after his body head movement go him past the first shot, his punches had a shorter distance to cover.
Ali
Fuck! That must’ve been diffficult for Billy boy to write. #comebackbillallisforgiven. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
If you look close enough that is still a sly dig at Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFuck! That must’ve been diffficult for Billy boy to write. #comebackbillallisforgiven. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
I've we're just considering speed of punches.... Ali. If you add the power factor.... Tyson. Sounds obvious, but Tyson had the remarkable ability to throw lightning quick combinations, but with huge power.
First off I guess this thread is meant to piss off the most people seeing how there's no more rabid fanbases than Tyson and Ali...both men hanged the moon in the eyes of their fans, God bless them.
Absolutely agree with X here. Tyson would fly sorties with his attacks....he'd avoid the flak on the way in slipping, bobbing....open the bomb bay doors on his opponent and then either roll out or tie up. He punched from in close (he had to) but he wasn't an "inside fighter" as he'd just try to wear out his opponent once inside, he'd use bullying tactics and try to disturb their guard. Forearm on the throat kind of thing, forehead on the chin, etc. He'd try to get openings for the next sortie so he'd know what to throw hooks or uppercuts or overhand right. His jab wasn't even really to land clean it was to divert attention/move the guard and he'd throw that at odd angles. Instead of straight forward because his reach was so limited Tyson would work in and shoot the jab off from an angle and when he did that he'd also be shifting his feet to get ready to unleash the power punch combinations. So Tyson would bob & weave in, jab at an angle which puts him in defensive ready position just like after a hook, but it also opens up his opponent if they don't turn with Tyson and then it's 2-3 punches and tie up, 1 big punch KO, a couple punches and push off, whatever....but his work on the angles which he had to use due to his stature was extremely impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Ali had faster hands by far...hard to judge how much were on those punches though. I guess that helped him too. Sometimes you expect soft tippy taps and if he just leaned in on one that would really catch a guy off guard.