Mayweather received banned IV injection before Pacquiao fight

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Floyd Mayweather had banned IV fluids before Manny Pacquiao fight - Boxing - SI.com


Floyd Mayweather Reportedly Took Banned IV Prior to Manny Pacquiao Fight | Bleacher Report

Marcellus Wiley (EX-NFL) tells story about teammate who would roid up then flush it out with "IV VITAMINS".

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People need to stop this and move on with their lives. Manny got whooped and there was no "injection", it was an iv to rehydrate during training. There is no evidence in these reports that he used it to mask anything and the fluids contained prove that. Saline and vitamins like B dont hide/mask anything. Why didn't they report any questionable agents that are used for masking? Seriously what next?

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People need to stop this and move on with their lives. Manny got whooped and there was no "injection", it was an iv to rehydrate during training. There is no evidence in these reports that he used it to mask anything and the fluids contained prove that. Saline and vitamins like B dont hide/mask anything. Why didn't they report any questionable agents that are used for masking? Seriously what next?

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I agree! I don't know anything about doping, flushing, or IV rehydrating but I just can't see Floyd being stupid enough to allow anybody to see him with an IV in his arm if he was doing something illegal! Can you?

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People need to stop this and move on with their lives. Manny got whooped and there was no "injection", it was an iv to rehydrate during training. There is no evidence in these reports that he used it to mask anything and the fluids contained prove that. Saline and vitamins like B dont hide/mask anything. Why didn't they report any questionable agents that are used for masking? Seriously what next?

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I agree! I don't know anything about doping, flushing, or IV rehydrating but I just can't see Floyd being stupid enough to allow anybody to see him with an IV in his arm if he was doing something illegal! Can you?

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He did it, I was present, right in front of me he was doping and laughing saying everyone thinks it's Manny.

Actually, not saying Floyd is the roid but it sounds like he was doing something he technically shouldn't have done.

Why didn't he just drink the water?

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Why didn't he just drink the water?

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IV is far more effective if you go to hospital and need hydrated they don't say hear drink some water

Someone people on Twitter going nuts over this lol saying usada have banned IV rehydration is this true ? It can't be IV is so much better for the athlete it just doesn't make sense

What an article by Hauser. Gonna take two goes to get through it.

USADA allows Mayweather to determine when the testing begins. That leaves a long period of time during which there are no checks on what substances he might put into his body.

“Mayweather is not doing ‘Olympic-style testing,’” Conte states. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.

The whole concept of one man dictating the testing schedule is wrong. But USADA lets Mayweather do it. USADA is not doing effective comprehensive testing on Floyd Mayweather. Testing for four or five weeks before a fight is nonsense.”

“It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive therapeutic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather. “It’s very troubling to me. USADA has yet to explain to my satisfaction why Mayweather needed an IV infusion. There might be a valid explanation, but I don’t know what it is.”

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Someone people on Twitter going nuts over this lol saying usada have banned IV rehydration is this true ? It can't be IV is so much better for the athlete it just doesn't make sense

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Yeah better for someone in a medical emergency.
Just drink some lucozade sport and be done with it.

The moment you start getting needles involved in sports you are asking for trouble.

Is it prohibited for athletes to use IV infusions for rehydration and recovery? | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA)

I wonder how much Floyd had to pay for a Therapeutic Use Exemption ;D

FFS though. TUE for IV just to be TBE. He really is the Carl Lewis of boxing ;D;D

"This sort of IV use is clearly against the rules. Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits."

They have nothing period! No proof of anything. Cherry picking at the highest level because guys like Hauser are still upset. They needed some reason to cash that card in one more time since the fight was not competitive.

Its like a gossip magazine. No proof, no intent, no nothing but there must be something. Lets just sensationalize it and title the story using words like 'INJECTION"

Somebody will buy it. They sold 4 million buys with no doubt 2 million of those buys made by haters so it will have legs.

What a shocker......

Here's the crux of the issue fellas...

Although the substances contained in the IV were not banned by WADA, whose standards USADA says it follows, the fact that they were given intravenously was not allowed.

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SB Nation's account said Mayweather's medical team told the collection agents that the IV -- which reportedly included a 250-milliliter mixture of saline and multivitamins and a 500-milliliter mixture of saline and Vitamin C -- was being given to Mayweather for rehydration purposes following the weigh-in.

WADA rules do not allow intravenous infusions or injections of more than 50 milliliters per six hours "except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations."

According to the report, WADA bans such injections and infusions because they can be used to "dilute or mask the presence of another substance."

SB Nation also reported that USADA did not inform the Nevada commission about the IV until May 21, when it sent correspondence to commission officials and Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter, notifying them that Mayweather had been given a retroactive therapeutic-use exemption, which was allowed in the contract the fighters signed to cover the drug-testing protocol for the bout. However, when the commission and Top Rank requested more information about it, they learned Mayweather had not applied for the exemption until May 19. It was granted May 20, the report said.



So there's 0 doubt.....0 doubt...Mayweather had the IV


Also
The TUE for Mayweather's IV -- and the IV was administered at Floyd's house, not in a medical facility, and wasn't brought to our attention at the time -- was totally unacceptable," Bennett is quoted as saying in the report. "I've made it clear to [USADA CEO] Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did."


Floyd Mayweather had the IV. FACT.
No one is saying there were steroids or peds in the IV. FACT.
The IV rehydration is an issue because it COULD be used to mask banned substances. FACT.
USADA overstepped it's bounds granting an exemption for Mayweather to use the IV. FACT.

Does it make Floyd a cheater? Does it ruin Floyd's legacy? Does it tarnish the win over Pacquiao?
Maybe. No. Maybe.

If Pacquiao was not granted the same exemption then that is at the least unfair. Floyd has been the best in his field for decades so this one incident doesn't diminish what he has built. Again, if Manny wasn't allowed the same opportunities as Floyd at the least it's unfair, at the most it could be considered cheating. The fight wasn't close, was it due to the IV, was it due to something the IV helped mask? Those are going to be the big questions....but make no doubt, Floyd DID take the IV.

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They have nothing period! No proof of anything. Cherry picking at the highest level because guys like Hauser are still upset. They needed some reason to cash that card in one more time since the fight was not competitive.

Its like a gossip magazine. No proof, no intent, no nothing but there must be something. Lets just sensationalize it and title the story using words like 'INJECTION"

Somebody will buy it. They sold 4 million buys with no doubt 2 million of those buys made by haters so it will have legs.

What a shocker......

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What is Hauser upset about? Have you read the article? It's not some childish post where he's claiming "look this is why Floyd beat Manny."

He's exposing what a load of shit the USADA's drug testing is for boxers (especially rich ones).

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

They have nothing period! No proof of anything. Cherry picking at the highest level because guys like Hauser are still upset. They needed some reason to cash that card in one more time since the fight was not competitive.

Its like a gossip magazine. No proof, no intent, no nothing but there must be something. Lets just sensationalize it and title the story using words like 'INJECTION"

Somebody will buy it. They sold 4 million buys with no doubt 2 million of those buys made by haters so it will have legs.

What a shocker......

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What is Hauser upset about? Have you read the article? It's not some childish post where he's claiming "look this is why Floyd beat Manny."

He's exposing what a load of shit the USADA's drug testing is for boxers (especially rich ones).

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Please, Hauser tried the drug story more then a year ago and has been hanging on Manny's nutsack for 5 years.

There is nothing suspect here but the suspicion itself. This is like a bad horror movie that keeps making a sequel. So fucking what if he got an exception for an iv. You cant go from that to what we are seeing here and other places. Its pathetic. The story is sensationalized rubbish and you get that right from the title. They start off with a false assertion and then write the two stories that appear together to fit it. Rag shit but I guess they have to try one last ditch effort for a rematch since they cant justify it by how competitive it was.

They also knew that there would be naive people all over the place to buy it.

Hack journalism. Thank God he never had a cup of earl grey in his hand.

Whats funny is didn't team pacquiao claim mannys vitamins were taken away by them before the fight? I'm not claiming the win over pacquiao was anything more than technique. However I do find it dubious that the self proclaimed best ever had paid through the nose and bent/ bends the rules to insure his victories. The irony just gets me..... ;D IF your "TBE" Whats he afraid of?:rolleyes:

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Please, Hauser tried the drug story more then a year ago and has been hanging on Manny's nutsack for 5 years.

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Hauser's on Manny's nutsack? Okay. What is he upset about though? I honestly don't know.

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So fucking what if he got an exception for an iv

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Well many experts disagree with you and think it's a disgrace.

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They start off with a false assertion.

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The title is - CAN BOXING TRUST USADA? Questions surround drug testing for Mayweather-Pacquiao and other bouts.

The article then shows a bunch of evidence of why USADA is ineffective (and possibly corrupt).

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So fucking what if he got an exception for an iv.

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Well...

#1 it wasn't USADA's place to grant the exception

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#2 administering an IV can dilute/wash out any PEDs from the system thereby rendering a post fight drug test pretty much worthless.


Nobody is questioning the result of the fight, they are questioning the tactics used by Floyd and the special treatment given to Floyd by USADA. Floyd was also allowed to do this IV rehydration at his home rather than at a hospital or clinic so questions of oversight on that end are valid as well.

This isn't a smoking gun saying "Floyd Mayweather's career is a sham!", it's something that happened, that was at the least fairly sketchy and should be studied further....is your curiosity not piqued? I don't like Floyd as a person, I respect the hell out of his skill and don't think he's a cheater....but he could have been handed a SERIOUS boost if Manny Pacquiao was not offered similar treatment.

So the IV is banned in part(perhaps largely) because it can be used as a masking agent, yet nothing in the IV could possibly be detected or lead to a failed test? That means the only recourse for the testing body is to actually witness it? If that's the case why would Floyd even allow anyone to know he got one? It's unfair if Floyd was given an exemption Manny couldn't have gotten(although the painkiller is quite a different thing), and I don't doubt you can't trust USADA any more than just about any other organization in boxing, but this just doesn't seem like a story to me.

I guess we know why he had enough energy to run all night, then he got sleepy and hugged

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Someone people on Twitter going nuts over this lol saying usada have banned IV rehydration is this true ? It can't be IV is so much better for the athlete it just doesn't make sense

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Yeah better for someone in a medical emergency.
Just drink some lucozade sport and be done with it.

The moment you start getting needles involved in sports you are asking for trouble.

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I was talking to my wife today about this she is a nurse. It's supposed to be the best way to get rehydrated and also the best way to recive vitamins but obviously it can also be used for bad things like flushing out your system so it goes both ways. I suppose if your a top athlete you would want the best treatments and I'm sure if Floyd was cheating he would be smart enough for it never to come out he's certainly got enough money to keep it quiet. It's funny how the Floyd haters are willing to believe anything.

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USADA allows Mayweather to determine when the testing begins. That leaves a long period of time during which there are no checks on what substances he might put into his body.

“Mayweather is not doing ‘Olympic-style testing,’” Conte states. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.

The whole concept of one man dictating the testing schedule is wrong. But USADA lets Mayweather do it. USADA is not doing effective comprehensive testing on Floyd Mayweather. Testing for four or five weeks before a fight is nonsense.”

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The IV part of this really was just rehydration and vitamins. I don't think Floyd would have done anything dodgy the day before the biggest money fight in history.

The crucial part for me is the bit above. Floyd knows who he's going to fight long before he announces it. It's throwing money away not announcing it further and having more time to promote it.

I've always said there isn't any proper testing in boxing. Proper testing means random testing 365 days a year. WADA, another drug testing body, has offered totally free random testing to every top professional fighter. So far the only guy who signed up for it is Nonito Donaire. Not one other fighter is taking advantage of a free service that would allow them to show the world that they're a clean fighter. Res ipsa loquitur.

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I was talking to my wife today about this she is a nurse. It's supposed to be the best way to get rehydrated and also the best way to recive vitamins but obviously it can also be used for bad things like flushing out your system so it goes both ways. I suppose if your a top athlete you would want the best treatments and I'm sure if Floyd was cheating he would be smart enough for it never to come out he's certainly got enough money to keep it quiet. It's funny how the Floyd haters are willing to believe anything.

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That's all well and good but as a professional, certainly Floyd knows that there are guidelines and protocols which must be adhered to in order for the sport to be a sport and not some side show. So far nobody has accused Floyd of doping and in fact if anyone is in trouble at the moment it is USADA because they granted an exception when they had no authority to do so.


What are "Floyd haters" believing that is so outrageous?


If Floyd Mayweather was able to rehydrate via IV in the comfort of his own home and Manny Pacquiao was not offered that same option, then sir, THAT fight is in my opinion no longer considered a "fair" one and consequences must be paid by the party responsible: USADA...unless of course you delve into tinfoil hat territory and include Floyd in this, which I have gone out of my way not to.


Again the crux of this issue is not whether or not it happened, it's did USADA play favorites?

Its not about the Manny fight at all but that USADA is manipulated and bends to the highest bidder. I had no idea that testing only began at the announcement of a fight being made, rather than as it proclaimed..year round and unannounced. Seems like a system set up to be gamed indeed.

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Someone people on Twitter going nuts over this lol saying usada have banned IV rehydration is this true ? It can't be IV is so much better for the athlete it just doesn't make sense

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Yeah better for someone in a medical emergency.
Just drink some lucozade sport and be done with it.

The moment you start getting needles involved in sports you are asking for trouble.

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I was talking to my wife today about this she is a nurse. It's supposed to be the best way to get rehydrated and also the best way to recive vitamins but obviously it can also be used for bad things like flushing out your system so it goes both ways. I suppose if your a top athlete you would want the best treatments and I'm sure if Floyd was cheating he would be smart enough for it never to come out he's certainly got enough money to keep it quiet. It's funny how the Floyd haters are willing to believe anything.

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Carl Lewis was able to keep it quiet for years.

But that's not the point. The point is that USADA (who I was definitely 'pro' a few years ago) have given Floyd scope to partake in something quite toxic.

Also, please realise that Floyd is a known substance user. He loves the odd injection, whether its in his hands or or godknows where else.

Listen, he gave Manny shit over this for years (no problem with that at my end) so it's only fair that his name gets tarnished with this issue now.

I'm sure he has managed his career exceptionally well, in all it's facets - Promotion, matchmking, negotiations, training, recovery etc etc... but I think he crosses the line with this. There is contrived and then there is corrupted. Floyd is now a dirty fighter - Your nurse wife even backs me up on this; it's great, it's a medical proceedure that can essentially save lives - but it's not legal in the sport of boxing. Funny how FLOMOS fail to see that.

So I guess the problem is that he didn't follow protocol, yet what misinformed people will read is that Floyd cheated and pac should have won. So shame on Floyd for bending the rules and he should be called out on it, but the victory itself should in no way be connected to it.

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So I guess the problem is that he didn't follow protocol, yet what misinformed people will read is that Floyd cheated and pac should have won. So shame on Floyd for bending the rules and he should be called out on it, but the victory itself should in no way be connected to it.

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Nobody is saying Pac should have won. The posters here are specifically making sure not to say a+b =c. What it does mean though is that Floyd and his team have to give up the sanctimonious moral high ground.

The cynic in me might say it paves the way for another very lucrative 51st megafight but the boxing fan is pleading "please no"

I think the story should be more about USADA and less about Floyd. If USADA is playing favorites then why even do testing?

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Its like a gossip magazine. No proof, no intent, no nothing but there must be something. Lets just sensationalize it and title the story using words like 'INJECTION"



What a shocker......

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He's exposing what a load of shit the USADA's drug testing is for boxers (especially rich ones).

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Please, Hauser tried the drug story more then a year ago and has been hanging on Manny's nutsack for 5 years.

There is nothing suspect here but the suspicion itself. This is like a bad horror movie that keeps making a sequel. So fucking what if he got an exception for an iv. You cant go from that to what we are seeing here and other places. Its pathetic. The story is sensationalized rubbish and you get that right from the title. They start off with a false assertion and then write the two stories that appear together to fit it. Rag shit but I guess they have to try one last ditch effort for a rematch since they cant justify it by how competitive it was.

They also knew that there would be naive people all over the place to buy it.

Hack journalism. Thank God he never had a cup of earl grey in his hand.

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I've read quite a bit on this today. Especially a few videos on Hauser's actions a few years ago.

I tend to agree with you, but cant word it without giving credit for those who have ripped on Floyd being guilty of something. They did it with knowledge that supersedes what I could have come up with.
USADA & NSAC particularly. Both exposed to a degree, one worse than the other. And right b4 his so called last fight- it is being introduced- stinks of him (timing) when to reveal this.

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I think the story should be more about USADA and less about Floyd. If USADA is playing favorites then why even do testing?

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I agree.

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So I guess the problem is that he didn't follow protocol, yet what misinformed people will read is that Floyd cheated and pac should have won. So shame on Floyd for bending the rules and he should be called out on it, but the victory itself should in no way be connected to it.

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Nobody is saying Pac should have won. The posters here are specifically making sure not to say a+b =c. What it does mean though is that Floyd and his team have to give up the sanctimonious moral high ground.

The cynic in me might say it paves the way for another very lucrative 51st megafight but the boxing fan is pleading "please no"

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I should have been more clear and said that I'm not talking about anybody on the message board.

I saw someone post something about it on Facebook and it made me realize that casual fans will make this a big deal about the result of the fight rather than the actual problem.

Numerous inaccuracies just like last time. And 3 months from now he will retract it like last time. And nobody will care about the retraction, like last time.

Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice...

Who here thinks that without the IV Floyd loses to Manny?



I rest my case....

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"This sort of IV use is clearly against the rules. Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits."

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Floyd really can't resist being the outrageous center of attention, remember his pot smoking pussy posse?
How do we even know for sure, if the IV was truly in his arm? Floyd, the boxing diva!

Do you realize who is missing from the forum tonight? Rocco TITO & the other raving Floyd lemmings. They know their idol Floyd has finally been BUSTED!! He's a CHEAT!!
Cast your minds back 2 months I told all this had happened then. But I was accused of rumour mongering . Looks like I was right on the mark doesn't it Mayweather,USADA & NSAC have been working together for years
They said boxing was corrupt in the 50's jeez they were choirboys back then compared to today. I hope the Feds launch an investigation & we'll see heads roll Even see Mayweathers career destroyed. Karma really is a biotch it never forgets

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