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Does this make Margarito a coward?
I know everyone's wishing that PBF fights Margarito after Zab because many are banking on the fact that floyd is moving up in weight too fast and he might lose, which just shows how good margarito is, a fighter that has been at 147 for 10 ten years and a few at 154, is looking to cash in on a fight with a smaller guy...that's weak... he should've been had fights with, ODLH, MOSELY, Forrest, MAyorga, Trinidad,spinks, but now he waits until a smaller guy is considered to be the best and now he's ready to face to top dog? what a biitch!!!!!
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
you are a complete moron..... :-X::**
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
Margarito has only recently been considered a world class fighter. He would of had no chance of landing those fights in the past. That isnt to say he would of won, i have no clue whether he took a while to come on or has always been this good. Still, now that hes getting some recognition he notices he can call out someone like Mayweather and thats why hes doing it - he wants his payday and a chance to prove his worth to the world.
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Anti-MArgarito people.......Just keep digging away, you could come up with 100's of reasons why hes ran, hes not the best, hes too wild, hes open for the right hand all those things. Fact of the matter is he deserves a shot to fight the best.
FACT*
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Anti-MArgarito people.......Just keep digging away fact of the matter is he deserves a shot at the belt.
FACT*
He has a belt.. And PBF Zab isn't for a belt.... is it. ;D perhaps he deserves a big payday, is more like it.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Anti-MArgarito people.......Just keep digging away fact of the matter is he deserves a shot at the belt.
FACT*
He has a belt.. And PBF Zab isn't for a belt.... is it. ;D perhaps he deserves a big payday, is more like it.
Your right and I fixed it ;)
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
I don't think Margarito is a coward. PBF would walk all over Tony right now. Tony's doing the smartest thing though in lobbying for a PBF, but he better hope Oscar loses or he'll never get the PBF fight. If ODLH wins, PBF will get the ODLH fight in Sept, then Hatton in March of next year, and Winky next summer. Tony, IMO, doesn't deserve a shot right now at PBF. Tony needs to get a name to fight him, there's plenty like Mosley, Judah, he could have fought Collazo, he could beat up on Spinks, whatever, he really does need to get his name out there more. Since his biggest win was against Kermit Cintron he needs another semi-popular name to fight him to boost his public rep. I can't really blame PBF for "dodging" Margarito right now because in fighting Hatton, ODLH, and Winky, PBF could conceivably make $20-$30 million for just three fights. Would you all chance throwing that much money away by fighting someone who has only beat Kermit Cintron? PBF earned his stripes, now he should be able to cash in. Tony's still got work to do, the world shouldn't be handed to him on a platter just because the Mexican fans want the fight.
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you are a complete moron..... :-X::**
I'm a complete moron because the statement was true? Or what? because he has been at WW for ten years, and still didn't beat or fight anybody of note except cintron, so would you care to elaborate on your comment? he could've fought oba carr too....
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
I never said Tony was scared to fight Spinks. I said that he needs to build up his resume by having one or two fights with some names. I know that people are in love with Tony, but let's be honest, THIS IS A BUSINESS!! Tony's gotta get his team to be creative and find a way to build some good buzz, if he has to fight the loser of the De La Hoya - Mayorga fight then so be it. Nobody even knows who Tony is outside of people that follow boxing closely. He's a low reward/high risk type fighter. If PBF wasn't undefeated then maybe he would take the fight. But an undefeated Olympian with a 70% KO ratio and famous pedigree should not be required to fight some guy who only has fought one guy that could be considered dangerous. PBF deserves the right to choose his fights.
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
I never said Tony was scared to fight Spinks. I said that he needs to build up his resume by having one or two fights with some names. I know that people are in love with Tony, but let's be honest, THIS IS A BUSINESS!! Tony's gotta get his team to be creative and find a way to build some good buzz, if he has to fight the loser of the De La Hoya - Mayorga fight then so be it. Nobody even knows who Tony is outside of people that follow boxing closely. He's a low reward/high risk type fighter. If PBF wasn't undefeated then maybe he would take the fight. But an undefeated Olympian with a 70% KO ratio and famous pedigree should not be required to fight some guy who only has fought one guy that could be considered dangerous. PBF deserves the right to choose his fights.
I wasn't even responding to your post, I was responding to the original post
And I agree that he's low reward/high risk, my point is he was even lower reward/higher risk when ODLH, and Trinidad were at 147 so its hard to blame him for not making those fights, cause those guys wouldn't have taken it. And he did try to make a fight with both Mayorga and Mosley.
Its a big circle with Margarito, people who like him think no elite fighter has given him a chance, people who don't like him say he hasn't fought anybody elite
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Anti-MArgarito people.......Just keep digging away, you could come up with 100's of reasons why hes ran, hes not the best, hes too wild, hes open for the right hand all those things. Fact of the matter is he deserves a shot to fight the best.
FACT*
Funny thing is...you can substitute the name Mayweather for Margarito...and the Margarito fans & Floyd haters will say the exact opposite of what they say about Margarito.
Floyd is the one that deserves to fight whoever he wants for the bank...much more than Margarito does.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Funny thing is...you can substitute the name Mayweather for Margarito...and the Margarito fans & Floyd haters will say the exact opposite of what they say about Margarito.
Floyd is the one that deserves to fight whoever he wants for the bank...much more than Margarito does.
FIZACT! ;D
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
i'm not implying that he's scared, I guess I should have put it more like one of the previous posters, i'm just saying that all the time he's been at welterweight he hasn't accumulated a good enough resume to IMO even be considered dangerous to PBF or deserve a fight for that matter, he's got four losses already. and it just seems like he inherited his ranking at welterweight because mosely,trinidad,delahoya,forrest,mayorga, all left the division...and PBF comes in has one fight at 147 and is rated higher than him...Judah has 3 losses, one to the great KT another to spinks who did beat mayorga...and its funny that you say he called out mayorga..but he shouldn't fight spinks?because spinks beat ricardo... Just because you call out the big name fighter doesn't mean that you deserve the shot...he's trying to win the lottery off PBF's name not his own...it's weird that PBF's fight selection gets critizied, and margarito's doesn't? I think that challenger's should have the same light shine upon them...margarito hasn't beaten anyone of any real note except cintron, and i'll say again he's already got FOUR LOSSES....and young fighter shouldn't have 4 losses already esp to none champs....just look at LACY...people already think he's done because he lost to an undefeated veteran champ...if cotto loses a fight he will be torn up by the boxing world...and you're trying to make a case for a guy with four losses? GTF out of here with that....
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Funny thing is...you can substitute the name Mayweather for Margarito...and the Margarito fans & Floyd haters will say the exact opposite of what they say about Margarito.
Floyd is the one that deserves to fight whoever he wants for the bank...much more than Margarito does.
FIZACT! ;D
Thats all you got? ? ?
Just change my post and use that as a respond ::** PLEASE!!!
Surely you could stop drinking beer and eating cheetos to do a bit more brainstorming and coming up with a better reply then that.....
PM JonesJrMayweahter maybe she could feed you some info. ;)
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
i'm not implying that he's scared, I guess I should have put it more like one of the previous posters, i'm just saying that all the time he's been at welterweight he hasn't accumulated a good enough resume to IMO even be considered dangerous to PBF or deserve a fight for that matter, he's got four losses already. and it just seems like he inherited his ranking at welterweight because mosely,trinidad,delahoya,forrest,mayorga, all left the division...and PBF comes in has one fight at 147 and is rated higher than him...Judah has 3 losses, one to the great KT another to spinks who did beat mayorga...and its funny that you say he called out mayorga..but he shouldn't fight spinks?because spinks beat ricardo... Just because you call out the big name fighter doesn't mean that you deserve the shot...he's trying to win the lottery off PBF's name not his own...it's weird that PBF's fight selection gets critizied, and margarito's doesn't? I think that challenger's should have the same light shine upon them...margarito hasn't beaten anyone of any real note except cintron, and i'll say again he's already got FOUR LOSSES....and young fighter shouldn't have 4 losses already esp to none champs....just look at LACY...people already think he's done because he lost to an undefeated veteran champ...if cotto loses a fight he will be torn up by the boxing world...and you're trying to make a case for a guy with four losses? GTF out of here with that....
you weren't implying he was scared? Ok
You imply that he ducked ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga and Mosley and that's ridiculous for the reasons I listed.
I didn't say he shouldn't fight Spinks, I said it was ridiculous to think that somebody who's not scared of fighting PBF would be scared of Spinks.
PBF's fight selection is more open to criticism cause he's the opposite of high risk/low reward, not cause its not a risk fighting him, but cause its a huge reward. I've never criticized PBF's opposition in the beginning of his career, but since Castillo for a P4P 1-3 guy his opponents haven't exactly been impressive, and he's been choosing his own fights. He could snap his fingers and make a fight with Margarito, not the same deal with Margarito. I don't have a problem with PBF being able to pick his own fights, he earned it early in his career, I just would like to see him pick better opposition. Since Castillo his choices haven't been awe inspiring, even though Judah's still overrated, at least its a step in the right direction. Anyway, I didn't even bring up PBF's opposition or him fighting Margarito in my first post, I just thought you saying he was ducking all those guys was wrong and not based on any kind of logic.
Yes, Margarito has four losses. Look at his record. He turned pro at 16, without much amateur experience, and lost three of his first 12 fights, all before he even turned 19. He learned on the job, he wasn't as polished as Floyd coming in, still isn't, but he's learned how to fight and his only loss in the last ten years was on a technical decision to a 154 pounder. He's a solid contender, I don't think he'll beat PBF, but if he does I wouldn't call PBF done, who would, he's proven himself to be a great fighter. I don't even think Lacy's done, but if people do its not cause he lost one fight, Winky's lost, Bernard lost, Barrera lost, Morales lost, most fighters do, if people think Lacy's done its cause he got absolutely brutalized, not cause he lost.
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Funny thing is...you can substitute the name Mayweather for Margarito...and the Margarito fans & Floyd haters will say the exact opposite of what they say about Margarito.
Floyd is the one that deserves to fight whoever he wants for the bank...much more than Margarito does.
FIZACT! ;D
Skywalker: Is the dark side stronger?
Yoda: Quicker, easier, more seductive.
;D
As long as Mayweather chooses the quick and easy path, you and he will continue to be bothered by fans and respected writers, as to why Mayweather should fight to the level he and you think he is. By level, I mean that "all-time-greats" took the time to take on contenders, it was expected. Just as it is, that we should go to work. Mayweather needs to just shut up the haters and fight Margarito. Just another day at the job. Margarito has definitely earned his shot for the Welterweight title.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Funny thing is...you can substitute the name Mayweather for Margarito...and the Margarito fans & Floyd haters will say the exact opposite of what they say about Margarito.
Floyd is the one that deserves to fight whoever he wants for the bank...much more than Margarito does.
FIZACT! ;D
Skywalker: Is the dark side stronger?
Yoda: Quicker, easier, more seductive.
;D
As long as Mayweather chooses the quick and easy path, you and he will continue to be bothered by fans and respected writers, as to why Mayweather should fight to the level he and you think he is. By level, I mean that "all-time-greats" took the time to take on contenders, it was expected. Just as it is, that we should go to work. Mayweather needs to just shut up the haters and fight Margarito. Just another day at the job. Margarito has definitely earned his shot for the Welterweight title.
:coolclick: for that....
I'm not even on whos better of the 2, I'm just saying if Tony is such an easy win for him (PBF) why not fight him and add him to his resume.
By the way please! don't give that High Risk, Low Reward shit!! ::**
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
i'm not implying that he's scared, I guess I should have put it more like one of the previous posters, i'm just saying that all the time he's been at welterweight he hasn't accumulated a good enough resume to IMO even be considered dangerous to PBF or deserve a fight for that matter, he's got four losses already. and it just seems like he inherited his ranking at welterweight because mosely,trinidad,delahoya,forrest,mayorga, all left the division...and PBF comes in has one fight at 147 and is rated higher than him...Judah has 3 losses, one to the great KT another to spinks who did beat mayorga...and its funny that you say he called out mayorga..but he shouldn't fight spinks?because spinks beat ricardo... Just because you call out the big name fighter doesn't mean that you deserve the shot...he's trying to win the lottery off PBF's name not his own...it's weird that PBF's fight selection gets critizied, and margarito's doesn't? I think that challenger's should have the same light shine upon them...margarito hasn't beaten anyone of any real note except cintron, and i'll say again he's already got FOUR LOSSES....and young fighter shouldn't have 4 losses already esp to none champs....just look at LACY...people already think he's done because he lost to an undefeated veteran champ...if cotto loses a fight he will be torn up by the boxing world...and you're trying to make a case for a guy with four losses? GTF out of here with that....
you weren't implying he was scared? Ok
You imply that he ducked ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga and Mosley and that's ridiculous for the reasons I listed.
I didn't say he shouldn't fight Spinks, I said it was ridiculous to think that somebody who's not scared of fighting PBF would be scared of Spinks.
PBF's fight selection is more open to criticism cause he's the opposite of high risk/low reward, not cause its not a risk fighting him, but cause its a huge reward. I've never criticized PBF's opposition in the beginning of his career, but since Castillo for a P4P 1-3 guy his opponents haven't exactly been impressive, and he's been choosing his own fights. He could snap his fingers and make a fight with Margarito, not the same deal with Margarito. I don't have a problem with PBF being able to pick his own fights, he earned it early in his career, I just would like to see him pick better opposition. Since Castillo his choices haven't been awe inspiring, even though Judah's still overrated, at least its a step in the right direction. Anyway, I didn't even bring up PBF's opposition or him fighting Margarito in my first post, I just thought you saying he was ducking all those guys was wrong and not based on any kind of logic.
Yes, Margarito has four losses. Look at his record. He turned pro at 16, without much amateur experience, and lost three of his first 12 fights, all before he even turned 19. He learned on the job, he wasn't as polished as Floyd coming in, still isn't, but he's learned how to fight and his only loss in the last ten years was on a technical decision to a 154 pounder. He's a solid contender, I don't think he'll beat PBF, but if he does I wouldn't call PBF done, who would, he's proven himself to be a great fighter. I don't even think Lacy's done, but if people do its not cause he lost one fight, Winky's lost, Bernard lost, Barrera lost, Morales lost, most fighters do, if people think Lacy's done its cause he got absolutely brutalized, not cause he lost.
I didn't say he ducked...I hate the word "ducked"...I'm just saying that there were several fights that he could have had long before now, to make him more worthy...i know it takes two to make a fight, but maybe none of those fighters fought him because he had 3 losses at the time they were down there....yea, B-hop, MAB, moralles, all lost but to champs not to guys with 9 losses out of 22 fights....so what if he lost early who's fault is it that he decided to turn pro early? you can't join the the nba, get schooled then say well i haven't had the experience you have...don't try to be a big boy if your not...and the fact that he turned pro so early only makes me really think that his motives are economical and not to be one of the best...like i said he's just trying to cash in on PBF...it's also funny that you say he lost to a 154pounder like your trying to make an excuse for him fighting a big guy...that's only 7 pounds...and he's been at 147 for ten years...PBF only been at 147 for one fight, 140 for 3 fights...there's nothing to gain except money for him by fighting mayweather....big men don't get credit for knocking out smaller guys, but in margaritos case it would be worse because he'd probably get stopped by a smaller man....
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Re: Does this make Margarito a coward?
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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Margarito wasn't even relatively a big name till 2000, and he really only broke out after the Cintron fight
De La Hoya left 147 in 2001, the idea that Margarito would have somehow been able to make a fight with ODLH at that time is very very doubtful. Now that he's a bigger name he's been calling out ODLH lately
Trinidad left 147 in 2000. Same as above. Now he's retired, hell he's been at 160 since 2001. But its Margarito's fault that he didn't fight him?
When Mayorga was at 147, Margarito called him out repeatedly, not the other way around
You do know that Mosley's camp turned down a fight with Margarito after the Cintron fight, right?
Spinks ;D The idea that somebody who's willing to fight PBF would have been scared to fight Spinks, whether he was bigger or not, is absurd.
i'm not implying that he's scared, I guess I should have put it more like one of the previous posters, i'm just saying that all the time he's been at welterweight he hasn't accumulated a good enough resume to IMO even be considered dangerous to PBF or deserve a fight for that matter, he's got four losses already. and it just seems like he inherited his ranking at welterweight because mosely,trinidad,delahoya,forrest,mayorga, all left the division...and PBF comes in has one fight at 147 and is rated higher than him...Judah has 3 losses, one to the great KT another to spinks who did beat mayorga...and its funny that you say he called out mayorga..but he shouldn't fight spinks?because spinks beat ricardo... Just because you call out the big name fighter doesn't mean that you deserve the shot...he's trying to win the lottery off PBF's name not his own...it's weird that PBF's fight selection gets critizied, and margarito's doesn't? I think that challenger's should have the same light shine upon them...margarito hasn't beaten anyone of any real note except cintron, and i'll say again he's already got FOUR LOSSES....and young fighter shouldn't have 4 losses already esp to none champs....just look at LACY...people already think he's done because he lost to an undefeated veteran champ...if cotto loses a fight he will be torn up by the boxing world...and you're trying to make a case for a guy with four losses? GTF out of here with that....
you weren't implying he was scared? Ok
You imply that he ducked ODLH, Trinidad, Mayorga and Mosley and that's ridiculous for the reasons I listed.
I didn't say he shouldn't fight Spinks, I said it was ridiculous to think that somebody who's not scared of fighting PBF would be scared of Spinks.
PBF's fight selection is more open to criticism cause he's the opposite of high risk/low reward, not cause its not a risk fighting him, but cause its a huge reward. I've never criticized PBF's opposition in the beginning of his career, but since Castillo for a P4P 1-3 guy his opponents haven't exactly been impressive, and he's been choosing his own fights. He could snap his fingers and make a fight with Margarito, not the same deal with Margarito. I don't have a problem with PBF being able to pick his own fights, he earned it early in his career, I just would like to see him pick better opposition. Since Castillo his choices haven't been awe inspiring, even though Judah's still overrated, at least its a step in the right direction. Anyway, I didn't even bring up PBF's opposition or him fighting Margarito in my first post, I just thought you saying he was ducking all those guys was wrong and not based on any kind of logic.
Yes, Margarito has four losses. Look at his record. He turned pro at 16, without much amateur experience, and lost three of his first 12 fights, all before he even turned 19. He learned on the job, he wasn't as polished as Floyd coming in, still isn't, but he's learned how to fight and his only loss in the last ten years was on a technical decision to a 154 pounder. He's a solid contender, I don't think he'll beat PBF, but if he does I wouldn't call PBF done, who would, he's proven himself to be a great fighter. I don't even think Lacy's done, but if people do its not cause he lost one fight, Winky's lost, Bernard lost, Barrera lost, Morales lost, most fighters do, if people think Lacy's done its cause he got absolutely brutalized, not cause he lost.
I didn't say he ducked...I hate the word "ducked"...I'm just saying that there were several fights that he could have had long before now, to make him more worthy...i know it takes two to make a fight, but maybe none of those fighters fought him because he had 3 losses at the time they were down there....yea, B-hop, MAB, moralles, all lost but to champs not to guys with 9 losses out of 22 fights....so what if he lost early who's fault is it that he decided to turn pro early? you can't join the the nba, get schooled then say well i haven't had the experience you have...don't try to be a big boy if your not...and the fact that he turned pro so early only makes me really think that his motives are economical and not to be one of the best...like i said he's just trying to cash in on PBF...it's also funny that you say he lost to a 154pounder like your trying to make an excuse for him fighting a big guy...that's only 7 pounds...and he's been at 147 for ten years...PBF only been at 147 for one fight, 140 for 3 fights...there's nothing to gain except money for him by fighting mayweather....big men don't get credit for knocking out smaller guys, but in margaritos case it would be worse because he'd probably get stopped by a smaller man....
"maybe none of these fighters fought him because he had 3 losses at the time" Exactly what I was saying in response to you talking about why he was a coward for not fighting those guys, they wouldn't have happened, ODLH and Trinidad wouldn't have fought him. And Mosley doesn't even have that excuse cause he turned him down after the Cintron fight. At least Mayorga can say that it was the fact that Arum promoted one guy and King the other.
Of course his reasons for turning pro were economical, he was very poor, but that doesn't mean that fighters don't want to be great.
I'm sure Floyd wants to be great but he's also the guy who said that "if it makes dollars, it makes sense" The point was he lost to guys he wouldn't lose to now, like the guy with 9 losses. Losing to a guy with 9 losses isn't great, but it was at the beginning of his career, at least it wasn't in his last fight like "Super" Judah. He's a solid contender and Floyd would get credit for fighting him, maybe only the hardcore fans know Margarito, but how many casual fans are there. Even Floyd doesn't sell out arenas, a lot of casual fans don't even know Floyd very well.
I really don't get your point about Margarito only getting money out of it, and he'd get no credit for stopping Mayweather. Think about that, PBF is thought of as one of the best fighters of the last 20 years, and most people have him clearly number 1 P4P. We all know Margarito's bigger, and most of us, including me, are still picking Mayweather. Cause he's better. Margarito would get a lot of credit for beating Floyd, I'd probably put him P4P Top Ten, when he's not really close to my list at the moment. Hell Judah's bigger than him, Castillo was bigger, Tarver was bigger than RJ but do people say Tarver won cause he was bigger, no, its cause people say Roy was shot. People know that ODLH is bigger than PBF, that Shane Mosley is bigger, yet a majority of people still pick PBF. People would give Margarito credit, sure some people would just say that it was cause he was bigger but he'd still get a lot of credit, just like ODLH and Shane would get for beating PBF
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Anti-MArgarito people.......Just keep digging away, you could come up with 100's of reasons why hes ran, hes not the best, hes too wild, hes open for the right hand all those things.
i choose reason #97
he pretends that he formallt issued a challenge to judah, when he essentially made sure he didnt publicly call him out untill judah had already signed for another fight
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yeah floyd does say that...but turning pro at sixteen? risking losses that obviously are costing him big dollars now...roy had been at LH for 6years before he fought tarver...not to mention he came down from HW in the first fight...if margarito was to beat mayweather he suddenly top 10 p4p? how is that fair? he could have had many amateur fights from 16-19...then turned pro at 20, but what's done is done...i'm sorry if i offended you...by asking "does it make him coward? and putting what a biitch" i just don't think he's done anything except beat another up and comer in cintron...which obviously wasn't big enough for him to be worth a fight...and there is a significant risk for floyd fighting a bigger man, even bigger than judah regardless of how much better PBF is than him...why do you think that judah/mayweather is more money..because at least judah did fight someone worth talking about KT, spinks was the undisputed WW champ, when judah beat him period..he had all the belts and judah stopped him...spinks did beat mayorga, something vernon forrest couldn't do in two fights..and he beat shane twice....i know the "beat the man philosophy" is sour to some but it does speak volumes as to your resume of fight competition's ability....
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Look Mick & Gyro...it's fine to be a fan of Margarito...really...but don't go trying to say that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather & don't go saying that Floyd is dodging him because he's fighting other men for more money...that's just corny...really.
Margarito has not done anything worthy lately besides beating Cintron (a puncher that to this date was nothing more than a buncha hype) that makes him more of a shoe in for a shot at Floyd than even someone like Baldomir. I like Margarito...but he aint the second coming like you girls keep making him out to be.
Floyd has worked hard & has outclassed everyone to get to the spot where he is & he has beaten a lot better fighters than Margarito.
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Look Mick & Gyro...it's fine to be a fan of Margarito...really...but don't go trying to say that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather & don't go saying that Floyd is dodging him because he's fighting other men for more money...that's just corny...really.
Margarito has not done anything worthy lately besides beating Cintron (a puncher that to this date was nothing more than a buncha hype) that makes him more of a shoe in for a shot at Floyd than even someone like Baldomir. I like Margarito...but he aint the second coming like you girls keep making him out to be.
Floyd has worked hard & has outclassed everyone to get to the spot where he is & he has beaten a lot better fighters than Margarito.
What the fook? A you serious WackOff? What do you mean 'Don't go saying that that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather'
My man do you even see the fact that PBF is gonna fight in a division that Margarito has been a champ of. PBF has started doing at Welter what he has done in other divisons which is fight who he feels he can beat (Sharmba) and now a Judah (who has just lost to Baldomir) and get recognition as a champ in another division.
At one point I was one of the 'girls' that was guilty of making him the 2nd coming, but like I said already I ain't even on that shit!! anymore I'm just on if PBF is that much better then Tony and would blow him out of the water then prove it.
Your right PBF has done just that but what has Judah done to deserve that fight. I will give PBF no credit for beating Zab, and I will laugh my ass off if he loses. I'll sait again I don't give fook who wins just let me see the post interview where the winner ducks Tony...
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Floyd haters everywhere= I'm a huge Floyd fan, and I would definately like to see him fight Tony {and Hatton}, instead of jumping to Oscar and then 154. IMO, Floyd will destroy Tony, easily. I think someone should give Tony a fight {Mosely, Vargas, Karmazin,}, but I honestly can't say Tony is the "most deserving" to fight Floyd. I like Tony, and as much s I'd like to see him fight Floyd, I'd rather him fight another established name first.
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yeah floyd does say that...but turning pro at sixteen? risking losses that obviously are costing him big dollars now...roy had been at LH for 6years before he fought tarver...not to mention he came down from HW in the first fight...if margarito was to beat mayweather he suddenly top 10 p4p? how is that fair? he could have had many amateur fights from 16-19...then turned pro at 20, but what's done is done...i'm sorry if i offended you...by asking "does it make him coward? and putting what a biitch" i just don't think he's done anything except beat another up and comer in cintron...which obviously wasn't big enough for him to be worth a fight...and there is a significant risk for floyd fighting a bigger man, even bigger than judah regardless of how much better PBF is than him...why do you think that judah/mayweather is more money..because at least judah did fight someone worth talking about KT, spinks was the undisputed WW champ, when judah beat him period..he had all the belts and judah stopped him...spinks did beat mayorga, something vernon forrest couldn't do in two fights..and he beat shane twice....i know the "beat the man philosophy" is sour to some but it does speak volumes as to your resume of fight competition's ability....
Tarver's clearly a bigger guy than RJ, just look at them side by side, Tarver's naturally about 205 and he takes off weight to make 175, RJ walks around at about 185, not to mention being shorter, Tarver's a bigger guy whether Roy fought at LH for a while or even HWs
Not the point though, Margarito would and should get credit for beating PBF. There are other bigger guys that I mentioned, like ODLH and Shane, even Zab who actually started at a higher weight than either ODLH or Shane although ODLH was a huge lightweight. Just cause he's bigger than Floyd naturally doesn't mean he would get no credit for beating him for it. And as far as P4P, most people would put Margarito somewhere in the bottom half for beating Floyd, Floyd's number 1 P4P, thought of as almost invulnerable, and if Hatton can get in off the Tsyzu win, and very little else, and Tarver could be as high as like 3 or 4 on the RJ win, and not a whole lot besides that, then Margrito with beating PBF and having 1 loss in the last 10 years would get in the bottom half IMO.
Not offended, just disagreed with you cause IMO its not his fault that those guys didn't fight him
Judah may well be more deserving based on his one win over Spinks, even though I think Margarito would beat Judah, he clearly would have been if he hadn't gotten beaten by a 9 loss journeyman in his last fight and almost been knocked out. It's bad for Margarito to lose to a 9 loss guy early in his career when he was 18 but Judah loss to a nine loss guy in his last fight, how can you blow the set up fight to the biggest fight of your life like that? But its not totally surprising, this is a guy that had to go to split decision against Rafeal Pineda who's like 803 years old.
But that wasn't my point from the beginning, I wasn't comparing PBF and Margarito, I just disagreed with you in your original post. I'd like to see Margarito-PBF, why not its an intriguing fight. I'd probably rather see PBF-Hatton, I'm gonna wait and see what ODLH shows versus Mayorga cause he's so inactive and he's a bit past it so I don't know really know what he has. Even PBF-Shane's not bad, but I'd like to see PBF-Margarito too. IMO I just don't see any reason to not want intriguing fights to happen.
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Look Mick & Gyro...it's fine to be a fan of Margarito...really...but don't go trying to say that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather & don't go saying that Floyd is dodging him because he's fighting other men for more money...that's just corny...really.
Margarito has not done anything worthy lately besides beating Cintron (a puncher that to this date was nothing more than a buncha hype) that makes him more of a shoe in for a shot at Floyd than even someone like Baldomir. I like Margarito...but he aint the second coming like you girls keep making him out to be.
Floyd has worked hard & has outclassed everyone to get to the spot where he is & he has beaten a lot better fighters than Margarito.
What the fook? A you serious WackOff? What do you mean 'Don't go saying that that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather'
My man do you even see the fact that PBF is gonna fight in a division that Margarito has been a champ of. PBF has started doing at Welter what he has done in other divisons which is fight who he feels he can beat (Sharmba) and now a Judah (who has just lost to Baldomir) and get recognition as a champ in another division.
At one point I was one of the 'girls' that was guilty of making him the 2nd coming, but like I said already I ain't even on that S***!! anymore I'm just on if PBF is that much better then Tony and would blow him out of the water then prove it.
Your right PBF has done just that but what has Judah done to deserve that fight. I will give PBF no credit for beating Zab, and I will laugh my a** off if he loses. I'll sait again I don't give fook who wins just let me see the post interview where the winner ducks Tony...
What's so funny is this...before Margarito & his fans started calling out Floyd...Floyd had already stated that he was going to fight Judah, then Hatton, then Oscar...now that Margarito & his fans have dubbed Margarito as the only man that can beat Floyd...now it's gonna be that Floyd ducked him...that my friend is BULLSHAT with an exclamation point & a capitol BULLSHAT.
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Look Mick & Gyro...it's fine to be a fan of Margarito...really...but don't go trying to say that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather & don't go saying that Floyd is dodging him because he's fighting other men for more money...that's just corny...really.
Margarito has not done anything worthy lately besides beating Cintron (a puncher that to this date was nothing more than a buncha hype) that makes him more of a shoe in for a shot at Floyd than even someone like Baldomir. I like Margarito...but he aint the second coming like you girls keep making him out to be.
Floyd has worked hard & has outclassed everyone to get to the spot where he is & he has beaten a lot better fighters than Margarito.
What the fook? A you serious WackOff? What do you mean 'Don't go saying that that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather'
My man do you even see the fact that PBF is gonna fight in a division that Margarito has been a champ of. PBF has started doing at Welter what he has done in other divisons which is fight who he feels he can beat (Sharmba) and now a Judah (who has just lost to Baldomir) and get recognition as a champ in another division.
At one point I was one of the 'girls' that was guilty of making him the 2nd coming, but like I said already I ain't even on that S***!! anymore I'm just on if PBF is that much better then Tony and would blow him out of the water then prove it.
Your right PBF has done just that but what has Judah done to deserve that fight. I will give PBF no credit for beating Zab, and I will laugh my a** off if he loses. I'll sait again I don't give fook who wins just let me see the post interview where the winner ducks Tony...
What's so funny is this...before Margarito & his fans started calling out Floyd...Floyd had already stated that he was going to fight Judah, then Hatton, then Oscar...now that Margarito & his fans have dubbed Margarito as the only man that can beat Floyd...now it's gonna be that Floyd ducked him...that my friend is BULLSHAT with an exclamation point & a capitol BULLSHAT.
I agree with you again Wacko.
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Look Mick & Gyro...it's fine to be a fan of Margarito...really...but don't go trying to say that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather & don't go saying that Floyd is dodging him because he's fighting other men for more money...that's just corny...really.
Margarito has not done anything worthy lately besides beating Cintron (a puncher that to this date was nothing more than a buncha hype) that makes him more of a shoe in for a shot at Floyd than even someone like Baldomir. I like Margarito...but he aint the second coming like you girls keep making him out to be.
Floyd has worked hard & has outclassed everyone to get to the spot where he is & he has beaten a lot better fighters than Margarito.
What the fook? A you serious WackOff? What do you mean 'Don't go saying that that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather'
My man do you even see the fact that PBF is gonna fight in a division that Margarito has been a champ of. PBF has started doing at Welter what he has done in other divisons which is fight who he feels he can beat (Sharmba) and now a Judah (who has just lost to Baldomir) and get recognition as a champ in another division.
At one point I was one of the 'girls' that was guilty of making him the 2nd coming, but like I said already I ain't even on that S***!! anymore I'm just on if PBF is that much better then Tony and would blow him out of the water then prove it.
Your right PBF has done just that but what has Judah done to deserve that fight. I will give PBF no credit for beating Zab, and I will laugh my a** off if he loses. I'll sait again I don't give fook who wins just let me see the post interview where the winner ducks Tony...
What's so funny is this...before Margarito & his fans started calling out Floyd...Floyd had already stated that he was going to fight Judah, then Hatton, then Oscar...now that Margarito & his fans have dubbed Margarito as the only man that can beat Floyd...now it's gonna be that Floyd ducked him...that my friend is BULLSHAT with an exclamation point & a capitol BULLSHAT.
I wouldn't say anything if PBF fought Judah, Oscar and then Hatton, that's fine with me. I doubt that all comes off but I wouldn't complain about that. That would be a great swing for PBF
But I gotta disagree on one thing, I'm 99 percent sure the Margarito-PBF talks came before PBF-ODLH, Arum tried to make it a while ago, months before Sharmba Mitchell even.
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But I gotta disagree on one thing, I'm 99 percent sure the Margarito-PBF talks came before PBF-ODLH, Arum tried to make it a while ago, months before Sharmba Mitchell even.
Nope. Floyd Jr has been talking about Oscar since Floyd Sr started training him. There was a pretty large verbal issue between pop & son over that mess.
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But I gotta disagree on one thing, I'm 99 percent sure the Margarito-PBF talks came before PBF-ODLH, Arum tried to make it a while ago, months before Sharmba Mitchell even.
Nope. Floyd Jr has been talking about Oscar since Floyd Sr started training him. There was a pretty large verbal issue between pop & son over that mess.
The actual fight talks I mean, I know he talked about it for a while but there were no real discussions as far as I know
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But I would give Floyd credit for Judah, ODLH(although I still want to see how he looks against Mayorga but if he loses its a moot point anyway), and Hatton. I think a Margarito fight would be good but if he fought those guys pretty much back to back I wouldn't complain
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The Oscar talks came about & actually started at the time that Oscar split with Arum.
Floyd stated that he would go after Oscar to get some revenge for his promoter & also settle a score for Roger that dealt with some beef between him & Floyd Sr. Oscar said that he would never fight Floyd jr due to Floyd sr. They all bantered back & forth at a presser some months later & Oscar stated that he would fight Floyd but only after he had come back one time & then he would end his career against Floyd.
Floyd was to fight Kostya & then Hatton came along. Floyd then is set to fight Judah for a wad of cash. Hatton then fights Maussa. Judah fights Baldomir & loses. Floyd still makes the fight for Judah & then Margarito comes along.
After that...Arum offered Floyd between 5 - 6 mill for the Margarito fight. The agreement to fight Judah & then Oscar is already in place & now Floyd is dodging Margarito...I just don't buy it.
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I'm hearing Margarito set up to fight Camacho Jr if they both won their next fights(saw it on Doghouseboxing). margarito just won, and Camacho Jr just won. And Margarito has an empty slot for a fight thats coming up a "TBA" I wonder...
If Margarito fights Camacho Jr what will the fans say ???
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I'm hearing Margarito set up to fight Camacho Jr if they both won their next fights(saw it on Doghouseboxing). margarito just won, and Camacho Jr just won. And Margarito has an empty slot for a fight thats coming up a "TBA" I wonder...
If Margarito fights Camacho Jr what will the fans say ???
That its a shitty fight and a waste of time, seriously doubt it will happen though
What did Judah fans say when he fought Wayne Martell, Rangel, and Pineda???
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I'm hearing Margarito set up to fight Camacho Jr if they both won their next fights(saw it on Doghouseboxing). margarito just won, and Camacho Jr just won. And Margarito has an empty slot for a fight thats coming up a "TBA" I wonder...
If Margarito fights Camacho Jr what will the fans say ???
That its a shitty fight and a waste of time, seriously doubt it will happen though
What did Judah fans say when he fought Wayne Martell, Rangel, and Pineda???
Heh heh heh.
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Martell, Rangel, and Pineda are more forgivable opponents then Camacho Jr. ;)
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Camacho Jr doesn't deserve a fight with Margarito, but I'd like to see it so I could see Jr get KTFO.
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What if Jr won!!!!!!! Camacho Jr the WBO Welterweight champion :-\
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Look Mick & Gyro...it's fine to be a fan of Margarito...really...but don't go trying to say that he's one of the most deserving or necessary to get a shot @ Mayweather & don't go saying that Floyd is dodging him because he's fighting other men for more money...that's just corny...really.
Margarito has not done anything worthy lately besides beating Cintron (a puncher that to this date was nothing more than a buncha hype) that makes him more of a shoe in for a shot at Floyd than even someone like Baldomir. I like Margarito...but he aint the second coming like you girls keep making him out to be.
Floyd has worked hard & has outclassed everyone to get to the spot where he is & he has beaten a lot better fighters than Margarito.
He's never lost at Welterweight for over 9 years. Taking on up and comers and undefeats.
Not to mention, has a belt, that you Wacko, consider a real belt, WBO.
And he goes and offers Mayweather figures up over the 6 million mark. How many BMW's can be bought with that? Also, there are some Mexican fans who really want to see this fight. I'm not Mexican, but Mexicans love it when an exciting fighter with a pulse gets in the ring with a world class talented fighter such as Mayweather. So, don't tell me or anybody, that this fight won't be watched by anybody. Mexicans are one of the most loyal fan bases of boxing these days. And I guarantee you they'll tune in, if they know that a Tijuanan KO Artist is in with Mayweather.
No it's not corny. It took you and all the other Mayweather Pretty Boys this long to finally say...
"Our boy is finally fighting somebody who has a chance to win, so he is given a pass to avoid Margarito."
Fan or not, Margarito deserves a chance, more than any other at Welterweight.
Why the hell are people giving Mayweather a "this is business and it's not going to make money."
Boxing is business, aka Prize Fighting. Money rules the world. We all know this.
But the reason why fighting is the best sport on earth, is because honor is involved. It's one of the few sports where they "train to win" not "practice to play good." To be a champion is an honor. And in order to attain that honor, you must fight on all comers that deserve their opportunity.
Bill Gates made billions, not by honor. The lying son of a biatch made it the corporate way, by tricking his way to the top.
I don't think Mayweather should be encouraged to think strictly like a business man. Because this is the best sport in the "business." Money is a great thing, but it also makes good men bad and great sports, such as boxing, the dirtiest of trades. Just once in awhile we see a PPV super-fight, a non-televised, Espn 2, or Telefutura fight that has both men fighting for more than just what they earned in their bank account. It's those type of fights and fighters that keep boxing alive.
