According to fat Dan, they are closing in on a deal for this fight. Great fight though. Both have a lot to gain from this fight and can still easily come back if they lose. Hopefully it comes through.
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According to fat Dan, they are closing in on a deal for this fight. Great fight though. Both have a lot to gain from this fight and can still easily come back if they lose. Hopefully it comes through.
Porters style is the worst ever and thurman just had trouble with a guy khan destroyed.
Brook and khan are possibly the best in the 147 divison depending on danny Garcia next step.
Floyd and manny are done.
Let the next best step up.
I agree. Spence looks loke jhe has the makings of a top fighter too. Despite a few great wins I still dont rate Garcia. Postol would beat him easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Thurman will beat Porter and will be a good name on his career list/cv/resume. :)
Excellent fight. Thurman better persuade Porter early to stop charging or he's in trouble. Probably a sharper hitter than Brook but certainly not as strong.
These are Al Haymon's boys so they will do a Bob Arum and keep it in the stable.
I thought boxing was dead without Mayweather....
Finally! 2 of the top tier guys in the division fighting each other. This is what is needed. Hopefully Brook can fight the winner, and Khan can keep avoiding anyone with a pulse in the division.
Btw, Thurman wins for me.
Khan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
Based on resume, Tim Bradley deserves a mention. I agree though Kell Brook and Keith Thurman are up there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
I think Thurman wins too. Keith is a little too fast upstairs and with his hands. It's going to be fun to watch no matter who wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I think based only on resume though. Bradley is a warrior but I wouldn't give him much chance against any of these guys anymore, to be honest. Come to think, has he ever beat an actual welter? Brook and Thurman are big strong dudes, compared to anyone he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBased on resume, Tim Bradley deserves a mention. I agree though Kell Brook and Keith Thurman are up there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
This may prompt Top Rank/HBO to generate a competive matchup as well.
Admittedly I forgot about Bradley. He is a wild card to me. He is a really good fighter and his only real blemishes came from pac which isn't a bad thing. He has beaten some good fighters but who knows how he would do against the best at welter instead of pretty good fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI think based only on resume though. Bradley is a warrior but I wouldn't give him much chance against any of these guys anymore, to be honest. Come to think, has he ever beat an actual welter? Brook and Thurman are big strong dudes, compared to anyone he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBased on resume, Tim Bradley deserves a mention. I agree though Kell Brook and Keith Thurman are up there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
Bradley is lucky he is on the other side, he would get beat.
Hopefully what has died is the notion of boxers charging over$49 to view them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
With that said: good matchup. Make it happen soon.
For me the jury is out on bradley for the time being. Guy has a remarkable will but i think its cost his body plenty, even though hes know for being in great shape. So the wars plus we have to see how he continues on without joel diaz and does under atlas. Also we'll see if i what diaz says about tims wife pulling a Jin mosely is true.
As for Porter vs thurman. Thurman seems to be easier to pressure than we may have anticipated in the beginning. This may work well for Porter as he is got more muscle at the weight that Guerrero did. However i dont think he will have the guerreros benefit of experience /ring IQ. The worst part of this for porter is that hes really not hard to find and thurman will definitely use his jab and move his feet more than Broner. Will he do it as well as brook did? probably not because thurman on his bike seems to take the edge off his power, but cant help but plant and go on the offensive every once in a while. That's where the opportunities could like for porter if he throws with thurman. Im pretty sure kenny porter reminds his kid everyday of the broner scored that knock down and the momentary lack of concentration that led to it. I slightly edge thurman as he has more of the tools to deal with blind aggression than porter has to deal with being found so easy.
Absolutely stacked division and this would be another top notch match up! I don't think Haymon or those pulling the levers have much regard for Porter and wanted him to be the showcase rebound for Broner. Thurman is much more sound and has the gears and regardless of power talk he has no shame in winning 12 on the back foot. That said, if Collazo can out physical..even shortly.. and badly hurt Thruman in the body no doubt Porter can. Thurman can have these dead spots when he gets on the ropes. Its a real interesting match and only hope it gets made.
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Originally Posted by p4pkingI think based only on resume though. Bradley is a warrior but I wouldn't give him much chance against any of these guys anymore, to be honest. Come to think, has he ever beat an actual welter? Brook and Thurman are big strong dudes, compared to anyone he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBased on resume, Tim Bradley deserves a mention. I agree though Kell Brook and Keith Thurman are up there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
What has Thurman done really? It might be between them, but Thurman hasn't done much to deserve that top spot?
Bradley beat up Marquez at welterweight, which is better than anything Thurman has done by far. I don't disagree though that he's getting long in the tooth. I'm holding back from saying he's over the hill until the Rios fight, which by the way is a very solid fight too. A more fun fight than this one is on paper IMHO.
Oh I was basically saying the same thing... Bradley has the better resume for sure, but if the fights actually happened I don't think he has the physicality to beat Brook, Thurman, or even Porter today. Clearly Marquez is a better win than those guys have and I didn't think Bradley could do it so fair point, but if I'm honest I think JMM is/was overrated as a 147 pounder as well. Take Pacquiao off his resume, and he didn't even handle moving up to lightweight without struggling greatly against inferior fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI think based only on resume though. Bradley is a warrior but I wouldn't give him much chance against any of these guys anymore, to be honest. Come to think, has he ever beat an actual welter? Brook and Thurman are big strong dudes, compared to anyone he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratBased on resume, Tim Bradley deserves a mention. I agree though Kell Brook and Keith Thurman are up there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
What has Thurman done really? It might be between them, but Thurman hasn't done much to deserve that top spot?
Bradley beat up Marquez at welterweight, which is better than anything Thurman has done by far. I don't disagree though that he's getting long in the tooth. I'm holding back from saying he's over the hill until the Rios fight, which by the way is a very solid fight too. A more fun fight than this one is on paper IMHO.
Bradley beats Porter. Thurman I'm not sure of yet.
Ingesting fight.
Bradley has gotten into to bad exchanges, but not to the point where it's slowing him down. He's a helluva boxer and better than any Welter not named Mayweather or Pacquaio...
Bradley has had tough fights and beaten better fighters but I do not think he can beat Thurman and is glad that he is on the top rank merry go round rather than take on Porter or Thurman.
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Originally Posted by Master
Yes, the sight of bradley wobbling around the ring at the end of the Vargas fight shows he's been affected by all the wear and tear. It wasn't provodnikov. It was vargas; a guy with 9 kos in 26 wins and whose last ko was in 2011.
Khan has a better resume than both these cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
Khan is udefeated with virgil and will outbox both if the above
Can thurman or porter even beat pac?
Sick, a bit worried about the time on this fight though might not be able to watch it!
I think Thurman spends the whole fight going backwards getting his ribs battered looking as underwhelming as he has recently. Porter wins on points.
What did Diaz say about Bradley's wife?
He has a better resume but has lost to lesser fighters. Khan isn't bad but he hasn't proven that he is better than Thurman or Porter. And what does it prove if neither could beat pac? Pac would easily KO khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by impKhan has a better resume than both these cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherKhan is definitely not the best in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I think it's between Brook and Thurman.
Khan is udefeated with virgil and will outbox both if the above
Can thurman or porter even beat pac?
Basically diaz said that he was ousted the minute bradleys wife and became his manager and that it was impossible for him to talk to his fighter without going through her. That bradley was never available and couldn't tell him anything vis a vis. Bradley refuted it, saying the decisions were made by him and that he is boss and not his wife. bradley also mentioned something about the vargas fight and how when he won Joel Diaz left the ring early or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
All i know is wife managers have been like albatrosses. Mosely, Tua.... There was one other I cant recall right now...
Porter will make it uncomfortable for Thurman, if he can't adapt to Porters style it could be
a tough nigh for Thurman.
If Thurman wins easy then it proves he is a better fighter than Brooks.
Liked Porters enthusiasm talking about it last night.
Interesting. I'm not totally disputing it, but how does that prove he is better than Brook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Brooks had a close victory over Porter and if Thurman does not struggle then he is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraInteresting. I'm not totally disputing it, but how does that prove he is better than Brook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
If Chaves beats Brook and Porter beats Thurman that means Chaves is better than Thurman.
If Brook beats Chaves and Thurman beats Porter that is the best welterweight matchup by a mile. Which it probably already is.
I thought Brook beat Porter pretty comfortably and intelligently. I felt he was in control, but the only reason I had any doubt that he would get the decision is because he was the away fighter .Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrooks had a close victory over Porter and if Thurman does not struggle then he is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraInteresting. I'm not totally disputing it, but how does that prove he is better than Brook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I have to admit I didn't see the word "easy" in your original post, and obviously now I get where you're coming from, but it's an "if" and a big if at that. I reckon Thurman wins, but I don't think it'll be easy.
I'd love to see Thurman v Brook I have to say, even just to keep that prick Khan out of the picture.