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Political correctness at its finest. Too many Muslims students and their parents objected to Halloween on the basis that it is a celebration of evil and demons and witches and ghosts. Therefore the mayor of Milford Connecticut has banned Halloween celebrations in the town of Milford. Now all you assholes please tell me that these Muslims really want to integrate into the society that they immigrated to.
Now I'm not saying I agree with this at all, because I fucking don't
HOWEVER
This would make Muslims no different than Jehovah's Witnesses (ironic they don't like people knocking on their doors randomly) and a small group of really hardcore Southern Baptists....the types of people who thought harry Potter was evil.
So end of the day it's just hyper religious people being hyper religious and ruining fun for everyone. I don't think it makes them terrorists....PC maybe....but just "Fun Police" more than anything else.
Lyle, you do see the difference between a Jehovah Witness simply clucking their tongue at a Halloween celebration or a Southern Baptist frowning upon Halloween and its insinuations, and a group of Muslim parents in a town pressuring the mayor to actually ban a celebration?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Meh....saying it's banned and enforcing that ban are 2 completely different things
Some cities ban teens from trick-or-treating - TODAY.com
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1970561
This is not about whether or not it is enforceable. You wouldn't like new gun laws to go on the books with you even if they were unenforceable. What I am trying to show is the political cloud at the grassroots level that that group of Muslim parents has in Connecticut. Now I don't know how they can enforce that then but I do believe they will try. The point is this Muslim parents have changed at least on paper which is what laws are aren't they an age-old Halloween celebration in a quaint little Connecticut town.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Well go egg their houses Brock, then fuck do you want me to do about it?
you cant do ANYTHING ABOUT IT, Lyle, thats the point. PC is wrecking a lot of shit with its liberal-ass "we gotta please everybody" gayness.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Brock you are inciting hatred and even El Kabong sees past your post.
Big bad Muslims taking over the world!
"Banning" :rolleyes: Halloween isn't this -> Shafia family members who killed 4 female relatives seek new trial - Montreal - CBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
The "I think everyone should live under Sharia"/"We're bringing Sharia to countries that already have laws" crowd is the dangerous Islamic political arm of those who would participate/fund terrorist attacks against us....huge difference between the "We don't want Halloween" people and the "Kill the infidels" crowd
I know there is a huge difference. :rolleyes:
I was explaining for Brock because he's not seemed to catch what I'm trying to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
What a wild stretch of the meaning of language and an unsound conclusion to come to based on the post about the Halloween banning in a Connecticut town. If this was a literary class and that passage was interpreted by any student to mean the incitement of hatred, that student would fail the class miserably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
My error, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI was explaining for Brock because he's not seemed to catch what I'm trying to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
No worries
Halloween is some kind of Satanist routine intent on normalising evil creatures such as vampires and demons. Plus it encourages begging and knocking on strangers doors. When you think about it Halloween doesn't really offer anything constructive. It is kiddie bankerism. Ban it!
I mean dress up as something nice like the milky bar kid or Dumbo and give something to your neighbour instead. Now that's positive. The neighbor might even give you back even more. Suddenly instead of vampirism you have sharing. I understand why Halloween is the more trendy option.
I'm going to burn all my Lou Reed records, model myself on Ken, and chew gum cutely. Call me Justin.
I don't answer the door at night anyway. I'm afraid it will be the government coming for my guns or meth lab.
Concerns raised over lack of diversity in SF school election results - Story | KTVU
Here's something to get mad about brock
@El Kabong yes well this is exactly the type of s*** that pisses me off to no end. The results came in and now using that fabulous tool called political correctness the results have to be invalidated because they don't reflect what the multicultural gobbledygook legislators would have dreamed in their wet dreams of gayness.
1 million white girls getting raped by muslims? She is stupid. Spreading hatred and myths explains why no one has heard of her or her group.
The trouble with posting 47 minutes of complete and utter rubbish from two sycophantic ignorant idiots is that real problems are then ignored and relegated to the dustbin with all the stupid stuff. She even admits she is dumb and he addresses her as though she were an expert. She makes wild unsubstantiated ridiculous claims and he says "I assume you have the data to back that up" or words to the effect of, and her data turns out to be "just go onto YouTube".Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
He is relieved that his wife is stopping work to look after the kids and seems to think that is an excuse to never bother helping her, with Toni congratulating him, saying "That's because you are a man" or some bollocks. I don't really know where to start to be honest the whole thing is so pathetic. I can only assume you posted it without watching it through.
It seems that you and many others are obsessed with this feminazi and PC thing as though your own value systems or manhood is troubled by it ? Really ? There are idiots at both ends of the political and cultural rainbow and wasting time listening to the pair in the video above is just as pointless as sitting through some misguided wishy washy PC diversity officer or far right Muslim/White Supremacist Nutjob.
On a aside, I was in Milford CT Tuesday last. It is a very nice town/city, has some very nice beach front property and I have fished the waters in town on many occasions. My wife and I ate at a Japanese restaurant which the NY Times had recently reviewed giving it a "very good" or something of the like. The town has grown substantially over the years and it has long been a shopping hub for the area of Connecticut that I grew up in. If you can think of a major label us shopping store chances are Milford will have it.
To give you an idea of the town's make up according to the US census it is 88.41 percent Caucasian,
6.45 percent Asian and 2.45 percent African american. A few other races were mixed in but didn't break the one percent. I found this Halloween ban was limited to the school system and a parade. It has since been reversed and all the festivities are going forward. It's strange, I live not far from Milford and I missed this entire uproar. I didn't even know about it until I saw Brock make this post, apparently it became a very big issue. Currently, I've been getting my news through the print media and I've been more interested in international stories than the local stuff. Apparently there is still a lot of backlash in Milford politics.
Anyway, besides this barrage of news I just wanted to report that Milford as a town is a nice place particularly if you need to do some shopping and then consume fish or animals. I had a sashimi platter followed by shrimp tempura, outstanding.
Good update. Halloween is satanic and should be banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Well alright, you live in England you're a smart person, you pay attention to current events and what not. Give us the low down on what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
When we (people living outside England) see things like The Rotherham child sexual exploitation case what are we to think?
Ok, well please explain what has happened in Rotherham, how that was allowed to occur and why it was allowed to occur. We see similar cases (once we dig deep enough) in the United States. Such cases don't typically make the news because it would hamper the current establishment party's plans for immigration, but nevertheless we get guys that come to America from "Asia" ;) like Lakireddy Bali Reddy who moved to the United States and was a successful business man who was arrested for "importing and employing illegal immigrants, and using the young girls as his concubines" ....seems to me Feminists would be concerned with that kind of behavior, I guess not. Seems to me that the PC crowd would be concerned about immigrants (especially ILLEGALS) being exploited in such a manner, I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Why all of a sudden are people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc called "Asian"? Not really the typical group they fit in no? Sure those nations are located in the continent of Asia, but if Germans had committed these crimes they would not be called "Europeans" they'd be called Germans. And yes the language used makes a difference. If I said I went to an Asian restaurant would you be more likely to believe I ate Xiao Long Boa or Kofta? Sukiyaki or Kebabs and Naan?
I'm not a xenophobe, I don't look at my Muslim/Middle Eastern friends and demand they get their people in check, I just sort of say "That's fucked up" and they respond "Yup, sure is"....those are the people I drink with, I watch sports with, I have over to my home....I know my good friends, but we're not talking about them because they get it, they understand America and the Western way of life, we're talking about populations of people who AREN'T interested in assimilation, they aren't interested in our culture, they aren't even interested in following our laws because they have their own which they want to use and people expect me, you, and all of the law abiding citizens of these Western nations to just accept this and move along.....why? Are our laws not good enough?
Being where this is I will hold my tongue a little but begin by asking, Lyle WTF are you going on about? Why are you talking to myself and Master as though we are some kind of apologists for the sickos the two people in your video are decrying ? That alone does not prevent them from being stupid themselves. Why on God's earth are you still going on about feminists as though they are somehow unconcerned with the sexual exploitation and abuse of children and women by f**ktards who use their religion, culture or general ignorance as an excuse to behave like animals.
Toni Bugle did not expose the Rotherham abusers, Jayne Senior, Professor Alexis Jay whose report was pivotal and a young survivor and her mother did. Many of the outreach workers from the Risky Business were infact replicating methods pioneered by feminist youth work projects from the mid 1970's. They were ignored by largely male Police officers in a case where gangs of men thought it their right to treat young female children, teenagers and women with disdain and violence. The male police were backed up by the macho posturing misogynist culture of Rotherham council and it's male councillors. These men blamed the victims, accusing them of colluding with the perpetrators and not being deserving of help. Often the teenage girls themselves were arrested, and yet you want to detract like the fools in the video above by bringing feminists into it as though they were protecting the scum carrying out the routine attacks. The Gangs of men calling themselves Muslims could have done with a healthy dose of any age feminism when they were growing up. Do you think men brought up even by the most hippiest of leftwing dr Marten boot wearing militant lesbian feminists would have treated girls like they did ? No of course not. They were propagating male chauvinistic, religiously and culturally intolerant mumble jumble as taught by morons as some kind of justification for acting in the unforgivable way they did.
They were not enabled By PC people too scared to offend decent Muslims, they were enabled by White Police men and Councillors who did not take the plight of abused girls and women seriously.
Nobody thinks you are a Xenophobe just because you ask a Jew and a Sikh to comment on this case
:p but the woman in the video you posted sure sounds like one, and the guy is acting like her hipster enabler. Nobody should accept this crap, of course not, but pretending it is just a Muslim problem is not going to solve anything either. The ironic thing is the perpetrators in this case used assimilation into western culture to groom the girls without absorbing the values and respect that would prevent normal human beings from doing what they did.
Hold your tongue? I never asked for that.
I'm innocently asking Englishmen for their views...I'm not saying you guys are defending anyone. Assume I'm from Mars, and I know nothing about anything that has happened in Rotherham...I want to know about what happened, I'm asking you guys because you're English, you live there, you're no doubt hearing more than me.
I'm not asking for a debate I'm asking for clarification and I come to both of you because you're friendly.
FGOTY right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
In the UK we say Asian to refer to both groups (for want of a better word) and always have done.
If you said - "I'm going for an Asian," I would most likely think you meant an Indian curry house as there are billions of them in Britain (I believe it's the most popular grub here). What you would hear though for distinction is
"I'm going for a Chinese"
"I'm going for an Indian"
"I'm going for a Ruby" (slang for curry)
How bout "meh gwon fuh deh ackee n saltfish Mon"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If someone told me I'd won a trip to the UK that included going for asians, finding out it was food would really irk me....
Would you say that it's a bit like the "we think everyone should live under 'democracy'/We are bringing democracy to countries that already have their own political systems ...... which is the dangerous political arm of those who who would participate and fund illegal wars? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Fuck me, I'm sounding like a bloody lefty. I better sit down and cool my forehead for a while.
Personally, I suspect that the Rotherham crimes were committed by members of the poorest, least integrated and worst educated stratum of society. They happen to be Pakistani in Rotherham, but I wouldn't be too surprised if other, or similar, crimes are being committed in other cities or countries by another 'race' or nationality ..... who are the poorest, least integrated and worst educated stratum of that society.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
having said that, the local Council have covered themselves with shame for their incompetence, inaction, beaurocracy and political correctness. They should burn in hell for that, as should all councils as a matter of principle ;D
Also, the idiots and fools worldwide who bastardise a religion onto some sort of medieval pubescent boys fantasy should also be eventually judged by their heavenly best mate too
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Hey, could be, could be and maybe it's a communication problem, but for those of us who know and understand democracy/representative republics as opposed to authoritarian theocracies know that those kinds of governments (democracies & republics) are more open, more productive, more accepting, and more free. In the democracies/republics you can still practice your religion...but you have to follow a few rules which one would assume ALL religions would accept: life, liberty(so long as it does not conflict with the 'life' portion of these rights), estate(you keep what you own/create through gift or trade).....outside of those rights you can follow any religion you like as closely as you like...so what is there to not accept about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by X
The Constitution of the United States (and yes how tired all of you must be reading about that) LIMITS government...rule by any (repeat ANY) religious book alone limits your individual liberty (especially the liberty of women IMO).
I don't know if Islam itself is to blame or if it's partly to blame or if it's specifically the Pakistani/Afghani/Indian/Middle Eastern cultures and of course the cultures and religion (and the different sects therein). You take something like the Catholic Priest pedophile scandal and compare it to this and you'd have the same kind of questions...is it the religion? is it the culture? is it just a lack of proper education? Or are there just some very evil people around in this world? All I am sure are true to some extent or another....but I having been born and raised Protestant Christian I can't explain the Catholic Priest mess any more than I can explain the rape epidemic in India or the scandal in Rotherham. I just want clarification on these subjects, we as freedom loving (some of us) citizens should find the root cause of these issues and nip it in the bud. With the Catholics the priests can't marry, they can't have sexual relations, the pool of talent the Catholics are picking their priests from is small enough already with it being just men, but to throw in all the extras it's a recipe for disaster as we've witnessed. And see those little details I understand about the Catholic Priests gives me some understanding of what went wrong, what was to blame.....I don't have that kind of clarity for what is happening in India and what happened in Rotherham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB6zMIrIx-g
Actually, your reasoning has logic. The Bush plan to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan didn't work too well. Perhaps it was a noble effort but with all the hopes of the Arab spring it didn't look to good. Having said at, I have no clue what the answer is.Quote:
Originally Posted by XWould you say that it's a bit like the "we think everyone should live under 'democracy'/We are bringing democracy to countries that already have their own political systems ...... which is the dangerous political arm of those who who would participate and fund illegal wars? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Fuck me, I'm sounding like a bloody lefty. I better sit down and cool my forehead for a while.
What a f****** liar! of course you have solved it ......you already have found the answer and it is .......Ass Candle
These pedophile/sex offenders can be middle class or working class, Muslim or Christian.
They need to be castrated.
I don't disagree Master, I don't disagree. That said, in some cases common sense should prevail like if there's a 19 year old going out with a 16 year old which has happened before and if the 19 year old is a boy sometimes the 19 year old is vilified and prosecuted....it has happened before. And that is also why I am so adamant about rape being actual rape and not some of the PC nonsense that people want to shove under the banner of rape. Rape is fucking real, it's awful, and it shouldn't be trivialized in the court of law when some jackass gets their feelings hurt over something that isn't technically rape (and again, this kind of shit has happened as well).Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But if there is a culture or a religion or anything that is harboring rapists, trying to excuse rapists (the actual rapists, not the bullshit PC "rapists") then those cultures and religions need to get educated, everyone needs to get on the same page and work together to keep these kind of things from happening again.
Exactly, Lyle. It's a matter of education and movement into the 21st century in terms of how people should be treated and regarded. That's why it was the most uneducated and isolated section of society that did these (revolting and illegal) acts. They should go to jail for that. they groomed and raped thick drug addicted young girls.
Saying that it's a 'cultural' issue is not only pandering to people's sense of victimhood but also fuelling the racist element of society and driving even more wedges into our cities.
The wholly unbelievable failure of our Social Services to discover and act on this was criminal in itself. Many, if not most, of the victims were apparently in the care of Social Services ..... But, funnily enough, nobody has been fired!
The local council decided that they would not talk about this or really do anything about it, because they were afraid of being labelled as racist. Plus, of course, the Pakistani vote is very very important for their unpeeled and pointless careers.
The whole thing was a perfect storm of circumstances, poor judgement and fear of offending the PC brigade.
Brits do seem to think we have fewer race issues than you do in the States (and, having lived in both places, I do tend to agree). Race is also a sensitive and problematic issue in the UK, but it does tend to be less overt and more subtle than in the U.S., which of course makes it even harder to address.