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I think I would go Canelo, I think it would make for the more interesting fight and Canelo has decent head movement and a decent punch variety, if he could press forward and try to force Golovkin onto the back foot then it could make for an interesting fight.
In all fairness though I think GGG beats both of them pretty easily and there would always be the chance that Canelo would freeze again if he realises that he can't do anything to get near GGG.
Cotto is the smaller and older fighter so you have to say Canelo. I think Cotto is overall the better fighter but GGG chews up both of them pretenders.
They are toooo small!!!
Ward ward ward!!!!!
GGG is a good fighter and fought great last night but he will destroy canelo and cotto on same night!!
Stop all this bollocks.
He needs to fight ward.
GGG does not need to fight Ward. Ward needs to fight GGG.
GGG is where it is at because he has earned the right to be the top fighter at middleweight.
Ward doesn't need to fight GGG, Ward needs to fight! People (not you) need to get real, Ward v GGG ain't happening for all sorts of reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Fighting ward now would ruin ggg career...we all know that.
Lets keep telling porkies and stay on the happy ggg train.
Stop all this bollocks???Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Am I wrong in thinking that Ward has had 1 fight in the last 18 months against a boxer who with the best will in the world was a very easily beatable Paul Smith?
Can you really see this fight happening before Cotto or Canelo? I kind of get the feeling that the people who are demanding the Ward fight are the ones who could do with stopping the bollocks
Time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanStop all this bollocks???Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Am I wrong in thinking that Ward has had 1 fight in the last 18 months against a boxer who with the best will in the world was a very easily beatable Paul Smith?
Can you really see this fight happening before Cotto or Canelo? I kind of get the feeling that the people who are demanding the Ward fight are the ones who could do with stopping the bollocks
Ward is too much for GGG and everyone knows it.
GGG should stick to this bubble and keep ignoring if he wants to remain undefeated..simple as that.
There's 2 ways of staying undefeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by impTime will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanStop all this bollocks???Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Am I wrong in thinking that Ward has had 1 fight in the last 18 months against a boxer who with the best will in the world was a very easily beatable Paul Smith?
Can you really see this fight happening before Cotto or Canelo? I kind of get the feeling that the people who are demanding the Ward fight are the ones who could do with stopping the bollocks
Ward is too much for GGG and everyone knows it.
GGG should stick to this bubble and keep ignoring if he wants to remain undefeated..simple as that.
1. Fighting people you can beat all the time.
2. Not bothering to fight, but talk about it all the time.
You will probably say GGG is the first example, but who fits no.2 best? 😂
Btw, how can you be avoiding a fighter that never fights?
He needs to fight Ward because MW is shit. If he actually wants to prove anything he fights Ward finally. Not "maybe in 2014" "maybe in 2015" and now "maybe in 2017". GGG is far far better than that shit division. If he wants a challenge he fights Ward. If he wants to get rich beating up men who have no chance against him he keeps fighting at MW. Not one fighter there has a sliver of hope against him though. Don't be fooled, these are not fights. These are sanctioned beatings. Does he want a fight is the question
Alvarez would make the better fight. But lets be honest it probably will not happen as GGG will fight Sam Soliman or Jorge Heiland as the pattern continues.
So what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Yeah I'll go for that.
The aim of boxing is to get rich and bring in as much money as possible in the short time you have as a career in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Cotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanSo what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Yeah I'll go for that.
Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.
I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.
You said the MW division was shit, I took that to mean that you were suggesting that both Cotto and Canelo were shit, I actually said in my first post that GGG beats them both easily, I just can not for the life of me see the Ward fight happening any time soon and as you said it would probably 'maybe in 2017'Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanSo what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Yeah I'll go for that.
Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.
I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.
Sorry if I came across as a little agressive in my post, it wasn't done to cause any offence
The aim of the boxer. The aim of fans should be to see competitive fights. Why don't GGG fans want to see a competitive fight? It's always built up guys. Not too long ago they were saying "Rosado is really tough" yes he is but he isn't a great fighter. Time and time again. Now it is to the point that David Lemieux is considered PPV worthy, GTFOOHWTN. David Lemieux fought Alcine in a stretch where Alcine won 1 out of 8 fights. Right in the middle of that stretch. And David was that one guy Alcine beat. He is a good fighter, good gatekeeper type. Hell, in this division he could pick up another belt, Sam Soliman did, Jermaine Taylor did when he was shot and brain dead, Andy Lee did. GGG is simply on another level from these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe aim of boxing is to get rich and bring in as much money as possible in the short time you have as a career in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Understand this, I'm not like Imp waiting for GGG to lose. Wanting him to step up to lose. I want him to step up because I think he is good enough to do so and I've been saying it since before anyone knew who Golovkin was.
Also regardless of if he does lay a beating on either of them, a fight against them would generate a hell of a lot more interest from the casual fan than Ward would and as Master said thats kind of the game that they are in.
No worries man. I'm in an overly aggressive mood today anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanYou said the MW division was shit, I took that to mean that you were suggesting that both Cotto and Canelo were shit, I actually said in my first post that GGG beats them both easily, I just can not for the life of me see the Ward fight happening any time soon and as you said it would probably 'maybe in 2017'Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanSo what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Yeah I'll go for that.
Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.
I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.
Sorry if I came across as a little agressive in my post, it wasn't done to cause any offence
I don't think the Ward fight ever happens man. I think they stalled knowing Ward would move up. And once he moves up it's over. I mean it is fall of 2015, maybe in 2017 is the same as saying never as far as I'm concerned. Ward tried to make this fight before moving up because he knew it was now or never.
MW has been weak since the early 90s. And that was just a short stretch after another long weak stretch. The division is historic but for the life of me I can't figure out why. If you look through the history of it it rarely had any depth. But then again Heavyweight is historic too and it rarely had quality depth. The historic divisions are separate from the good divisions.
Yes, but fight fans should not support it just because it makes money. Fight fans should look for the good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Ward is not a good fighter to watch. You would only watch him to see him face a tough fighter and see how he would cope with his skills. The onus is on Ward now to earn a fight with triple G. Ward has to become the dominant fighter at the weight again after being out so long. GGG has been active.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonYes, but fight fans should not support it just because it makes money. Fight fans should look for the good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I am all for that fight, as soon as Ward makes the weight. I am certain a fair minded guy like you would not expect GGG to move up and be at a disadvantage. Maybe you are one of those fans who think we should have a "Catchweight Division". You know what I mean, we can slip it in between all the regular divisions, so we get to see all those fights our pea sized brains can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Sanctioned beatings? All sanctioned bouts have the possibility of being sanctioned beatings, that is why the referee is in there!
Probably Canelo although both are a big step up from anybody GGG has fought so far.
F*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That's just your opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe aim of boxing is to get rich and bring in as much money as possible in the short time you have as a career in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If Hagler was around GGG would take him on. GGG has not avoided any middleweight fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustF*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I would doubt even Hagler would bother going up to supermiddle to fight Ward when he could stay and take on Cotto/Canelo winner.
Pacmania has turned into GGGmania but GGG has no marquez or floyd in his weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustF*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Don't get me wrong I am just as annoyed with andre ward not fighting as everyone else...the difference is that ward is still getting better and is a massive problem for anyone.
Come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanYou said the MW division was shit, I took that to mean that you were suggesting that both Cotto and Canelo were shit, I actually said in my first post that GGG beats them both easily, I just can not for the life of me see the Ward fight happening any time soon and as you said it would probably 'maybe in 2017'Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonCotto was a damn good Jr Welterweight and a good Welterweight. He is not a great MW. Alvarez has never even proven himself to be the top Jr Middleweight, he has never done anything at MW. Not a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanSo what you are saying is that both Cotto and Alvarez are bums and him dishing out a 'sanctioned beating' against either of these two would not be impressive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Yeah I'll go for that.
Answer this, take your sarcasm and put it aside for a moment and give an honest answer. Do you think either fighter beats him? If I give you 10/1 odds do you take it? He is a much better MW than either.
I never said they were bums, nice job putting words in my mouth by the way, that's a very poor way to debate. It's shameful in fact. If you can't just debate on the merits of the discussion you show yourself to be fraudulent. Intelligent people know that.
Sorry if I came across as a little agressive in my post, it wasn't done to cause any offence
Does anyone really consider canelo or cotto real big middleweights..cotto said it himself and the way cotto and his face gets beat up the fight gets stopped in 3 rounds.
GGG is just too big for these guys but I understand on the business side he needs to take this path..
The network is drooling over these matches but honestly I think we all know neither are middleweights ??? I have all respect for Cotto but realistically think he will be absolutely smashed into pulp facing Golovkin. Seriously I don't see it competitive. In the minority but I want him to fight Quillin v Jacobs winner. If the division is really that shit, at least clean it up with guys who actually fight in it, don't demand catchweights and are comparable in fight time weights.
Ward must be the only practitioner of anything in the whole of history to get better and improve by not doing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by impPacmania has turned into GGGmania but GGG has no marquez or floyd in his weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustF*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Don't get me wrong I am just as annoyed with andre ward not fighting as everyone else...the difference is that ward is still getting better and is a massive problem for anyone.
How can you tell that? How can we say he's improving if he never fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by impPacmania has turned into GGGmania but GGG has no marquez or floyd in his weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustF*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Don't get me wrong I am just as annoyed with andre ward not fighting as everyone else...the difference is that ward is still getting better and is a massive problem for anyone.
I'm no GGG nut hugger , but from a boxing perspective, what's not to like?
I'm also not a Ward Hater, but he doesn't do himself any favours.
I fail to see the point of GGG going up to SMW to challenge Ward , as win or lose , there are no other fights up there for him . I think the fight will never happen for all sorts of reasons on both sides, but for the record, if it did, my money would be on Ward.
Nobody is trying to say he's one of the greats , but it's undeniable that he is streets ahead of anyone in the division, and going up in weight isn't really an option because of the above.
If Ward wants to fight GGG he needs to go to 160. Plain and simple. Ward and his fans seem to think Ward has done something remarkable in boxing and is able to dictate everything about his fights. Similar to Floyd until he fights out of his comfort zone he will never prove how good he really is. After he won the super 6 he should have gone straight to 175 and fought the best fighters up there instead of having shite catchweights HOPING TO GET A GOOD PAYDAY AGAINST A SMALLER FIGHTER. Something GGG is criticised for. At least the smaller fighter is a world champion in his weight class.
As for the thread question Id say Cotto would put up a better fight. Canelo is just too easy to hit and against a guy like Golovkin that just wont fare well.
Hmm well none of the other so-called great middleweights in the last 40 years fought anyone either. They made their grade by beating up x-welters long out of their prime. One could easily argue that the Kazak has fought stiffer middleweight competition then any of them. The guy also wants to stay and unify and there's nothing wrong with that and its admirable because its rarely done w/o the stars aligning. Even if the others cant beat him well that's their problem. The others could not beat Bernard or Hagler either but they still fought. He also does not have the luxury of having any superstar welters jumping up to fight him which was common place in other eras either because they could no longer make weight or they just wanted to challenge themselves. Today when they cant make weight and feel to small to move up they merely make another weight class. The other 160 pound paper weights find every reason in the book not to fight him save David with "business" being the lamest and the welters today would rather off themselves. No other middleweight has had to deal with that kind of avoidance ever. Fact is, he's been just as dominant a middleweight champion as any other in the modern era and one could argue more so with relative ease. He's beaten more actual middleweights then most of them and done so much more impressively and years ahead of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustF*** that happy ggg train that is an LSD train of hallucination. His level of competition has not really been so good and therefore he is looking so stellar. Boxing nowadays does not have a Marvin Hagler who would come forward and decapitate GGG. The ring doctor would be picking up a head which was rolling on the canvas after Marvelous Marvin Hagler physically decapitated him. He cannot fight a steamroller who comes forward and doesn't take a step back he would get his head bashed in his chin has still not even been tested.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
The MW division is no worse then the SMW division. Badou Jack and Saiko Bika are recent world champs ffs :D
I actually think Cotto would do better against Golovkin than Alvarez. Alvarez's feet are far too slow for him to do any damage against Golovkin but at least Cotto could box him on the back foot for a few rounds before he got flattened.