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CANELO ALVAREZ INSISTS GENNADY GOLOVKIN HAS TO FIGHT HIM AT 155; STANDS FIRM ON NOT MOVING UP TO 160 || FIGHTHYPE.COM
He says he wants to fight him but hes not ready to move up yet. Maybe in like 1-2 years and GGG would have to go to 155 for the fight...Coward.
Canelo should stick to canola seeds QUINOA SEEDS
Canelo could easily fight as a middle, but he'd get his ass whipped by GGG. He can also easily make 154 and probably reign in that division, so I understand that as well. He's definitely not a big favourite to beat Cotto in my eyes, so first thing is first. If he does, I'd say Andrade would still be a really tough fight for him, mind you that's a fight that doesn't need to happen.
Cotto is going to beat his ass!!!
If Canelo beats Cotto as I expect and doesn't want to go up in weight, fine. But then he must fight the likes of Andrade and all the other top LMW's around at 154lbs! Not 155 or 157 or any of that crap.
Even if he wants to go to MW, ease himself into the weight and fight some other MW's prior to GGG, again fine, but whatever happens, DON'T try to make GGG Come down to some sort of ridiculous Catchweight.
Alvarez has a bit of mainstream kudos about him. After Cotto, which I agree he should win, if GGG wants some mainstream buzz to go with boxing fancies appreciation of him, a fight at 155, if that is what is required, makes sense.
I hope Cotto beats him up, I really do. CW of 155 pounds? FFS, stay at your weight then and don't even mention the man.
If you all want to call Canelo a punk for not going up that's fine. Just be sure you judge GGG the same for his refusal to go up to fight Ward. It's exactly the same.
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Theres no point in GGG going up when he can potentially make history at 160. Would be foolish. With Canelo its a bit different because he would officially be a 160 champion and would officially be in that weight class. Ive not seen GGG fight for any version of a 168 belt yet so its different. But as I said before Canelo isn't even going to fight GGG anyway, because Cotto is going to ruin him.
I don't see GGG calling down Ward to fight at 161 pounds later on. He would be laughed at and rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I think fans have got caught up in the sales pitch "history" "titles" "champion". It all matters in a look at my left hand while I lift your wallet with my right sort of way. But in true sport, true competition titles and defenses mean nothing when compared to quality of competition. One good opponent trumps 10 mediocre opponents. SRL is a legend, an all time great, he fought like 6 great fighters. Not 20. But those 6 were so damn good that he will always be known for taking on greats. Nobody cares about his 5 division titles or unifying or or or. At it's core it's about who you fight and that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Theres no point in GGG going up when he can potentially make history at 160. Would be foolish. With Canelo its a bit different because he would officially be a 160 champion and would officially be in that weight class. Ive not seen GGG fight for any version of a 168 belt yet so its different. But as I said before Canelo isn't even going to fight GGG anyway, because Cotto is going to ruin him.
He asked Ward to cut 8lbs from his previous fight. Canelo isn't asking GGG to cut nearly as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't see GGG calling down Ward to fight at 161 pounds later on. He would be laughed at and rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Both of us can make arguments based on facts where both arguments have weight. Point is both didn't want to fight a man. That is the crux of it. Both could take a tough fight, both don't want to. The same
Fair enough, they are both up to it. Hang them all sayeth the French on the eve of all things revolutionary.
I think you might be underestimating just how much "Mainstream kudos" GGG has, Especially in the States. I'm pretty certain that he is seen as the next Superstar of Boxing by many people over there, and that's exactly why he has his detractors like Ron Swanson & BBB, because he's relevant . a sort of back handed compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
GGG has already said the only fighter he would ever drop down to fight would've been Floyd. He (quite rightly in my opinion) feels that he shouldn't have to be the "B Side" to anybody but Floyd.
And finally, for all the GGG haters who moan that he won't go up in weight, they may get their wishes granted sooner rather than later, because the WBC have already said that if the Cotto/Canelo winner doesn't fight GGG, they will be stripped and GGG will be installed as their Champion. so, he'll have very nearly mopped up the division, and then he will move on, probably to SMW , but probably not for Ward as he will be going North himself for Kovalev (if he ever fights again! :p)
I hope you are right. Golovkin does seem to have that special vibe that comes around only every five years or so. But he seems weak politically, and that may hinder him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you might be underestimating just how much "Mainstream kudos" GGG has, Especially in the States. I'm pretty certain that he is seen as the next Superstar of Boxing by many people over there, and that's exactly why he has his detractors like Ron Swanson & BBB, because he's relevant . a sort of back handed compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
GGG has already said the only fighter he would ever drop down to fight would've been Floyd. He (quite rightly in my opinion) feels that he shouldn't have to be the "B Side" to anybody but Floyd.
And finally, for all the GGG haters who moan that he won't go up in weight, they may get their wishes granted sooner rather than later, because the WBC have already said that if the Cotto/Canelo winner doesn't fight GGG, they will be stripped and GGG will be installed as their Champion. so, he'll have very nearly mopped up the division, and then he will move on, probably to SMW , but probably not for Ward as he will be going North himself for Kovalev (if he ever fights again! :p)
I understand what you're saying, and you could be right. We'll have to wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI hope you are right. Golovkin does seem to have that special vibe that comes around only every five years or so. But he seems weak politically wise, and may really hinder him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you might be underestimating just how much "Mainstream kudos" GGG has, Especially in the States. I'm pretty certain that he is seen as the next Superstar of Boxing by many people over there, and that's exactly why he has his detractors like Ron Swanson & BBB, because he's relevant . a sort of back handed compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
GGG has already said the only fighter he would ever drop down to fight would've been Floyd. He (quite rightly in my opinion) feels that he shouldn't have to be the "B Side" to anybody but Floyd.
And finally, for all the GGG haters who moan that he won't go up in weight, they may get their wishes granted sooner rather than later, because the WBC have already said that if the Cotto/Canelo winner doesn't fight GGG, they will be stripped and GGG will be installed as their Champion. so, he'll have very nearly mopped up the division, and then he will move on, probably to SMW , but probably not for Ward as he will be going North himself for Kovalev (if he ever fights again! :p)
How does he even get away with making this statement a few weeks prior to fighting for the Wbc/Ring/Lineal middleweight championship of the world? The ridiculous irony of this thing being that those two never needed the title to be involved to begin with.
Here is where the Wbc with all of its demands of the winner and through statements to the press regarding "orders" that the winner must fight the Kazak in 90 days steps in. They either go on record in response to this telling him he will be stripped or they remove the title from the fraudulent festivities. The Ring should also but of course Oscar owns that.
Its hard to believe just how far this sport has eroded over just one decade.
Cotto catches hell for his assumed reluctance to face GGG should he get past Canelo..... but Canelo has even less of an excuse for ducking GGG at 160 and making demands that "supposedly" only Cotto makes. Canelo is younger, and of a bigger frame than Cotto. Canelo can easily fight at 160, whereas for Cotto it's a stretch. So if Cotto gets shit..... Canelo should get double the dose.
But first things first. The Cotto-Canelo fight hasn't even happened. Maybe Canelo should concentrate on Cotto first..... and try to avoid getting his ass kicked by the old man.
This is why its so bad to have multiple titles at one weight. If there were only one title, this wouldn't even be a discussion. I have no problem with either canelo or cotto going back down to 154 after this fight but neither should be able to hold the belt without fighting ggg.
Even if canelo beats cotto, I still think the charlo brothers both beat him.
Agreed on the root needing to be quality over quantity, who you fought and how it went that truly makes a great rather than stacking numbers and collecting trinkets. I think a great needs to still be that though when matched. But today its the new norm and at the head of what networks obsess with. A perfect case today is Broner, he now boasts as being a 4 division champ, manufactured 4 division champ, but still among De La Hoya, Jones jr, Whitaker on and on. Its comical. Even Leonard cared enough to have Lalonde..the champion..boil down below lt hvy limit and make him a two division titlist in one night. A literal buy one get one free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI think fans have got caught up in the sales pitch "history" "titles" "champion". It all matters in a look at my left hand while I lift your wallet with my right sort of way. But in true sport, true competition titles and defenses mean nothing when compared to quality of competition. One good opponent trumps 10 mediocre opponents. SRL is a legend, an all time great, he fought like 6 great fighters. Not 20. But those 6 were so damn good that he will always be known for taking on greats. Nobody cares about his 5 division titles or unifying or or or. At it's core it's about who you fight and that is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Theres no point in GGG going up when he can potentially make history at 160. Would be foolish. With Canelo its a bit different because he would officially be a 160 champion and would officially be in that weight class. Ive not seen GGG fight for any version of a 168 belt yet so its different. But as I said before Canelo isn't even going to fight GGG anyway, because Cotto is going to ruin him.
How is being a detractor when I have said for years he is too good for these guys? It blows my mind that years ago I said he was the best middleweight in the world, years ago. And all I want is for him to fight better fighters because I think he is special and that is considered detracting. Really hard to comprehend! This is not any insult to you Primo, many people seem to see asking for better fights as detracting when it comes to GGGQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you might be underestimating just how much "Mainstream kudos" GGG has, Especially in the States. I'm pretty certain that he is seen as the next Superstar of Boxing by many people over there, and that's exactly why he has his detractors like Ron Swanson & BBB, because he's relevant . a sort of back handed compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
GGG has already said the only fighter he would ever drop down to fight would've been Floyd. He (quite rightly in my opinion) feels that he shouldn't have to be the "B Side" to anybody but Floyd.
And finally, for all the GGG haters who moan that he won't go up in weight, they may get their wishes granted sooner rather than later, because the WBC have already said that if the Cotto/Canelo winner doesn't fight GGG, they will be stripped and GGG will be installed as their Champion. so, he'll have very nearly mopped up the division, and then he will move on, probably to SMW , but probably not for Ward as he will be going North himself for Kovalev (if he ever fights again! :p)
17 divisions are enough, the limits should have to be there champion and challenger alike. What happened to guys just stepping up??? Step up or shut up. Now its done it baby steps and Canelo is a perfect example. The same guy who had to hoodwink and change a tune up with Angulo into a special clause with 155 bs.
Ron , firstly no offence taken mate. I understand that you want to see GGG tested, I guess we all do. But it's not all his fault . I think we all agree that nobody really touches him in the MW div. And Canelo and Cotto WILL avoid Him. ok they're not "real MW's, so don't masquerade as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonHow is being a detractor when I have said for years he is too good for these guys? It blows my mind that years ago I said he was the best middleweight in the world, years ago. And all I want is for him to fight better fighters because I think he is special and that is considered detracting. Really hard to comprehend! This is not any insult to you Primo, many people seem to see asking for better fights as detracting when it comes to GGGQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think you might be underestimating just how much "Mainstream kudos" GGG has, Especially in the States. I'm pretty certain that he is seen as the next Superstar of Boxing by many people over there, and that's exactly why he has his detractors like Ron Swanson & BBB, because he's relevant . a sort of back handed compliment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
GGG has already said the only fighter he would ever drop down to fight would've been Floyd. He (quite rightly in my opinion) feels that he shouldn't have to be the "B Side" to anybody but Floyd.
And finally, for all the GGG haters who moan that he won't go up in weight, they may get their wishes granted sooner rather than later, because the WBC have already said that if the Cotto/Canelo winner doesn't fight GGG, they will be stripped and GGG will be installed as their Champion. so, he'll have very nearly mopped up the division, and then he will move on, probably to SMW , but probably not for Ward as he will be going North himself for Kovalev (if he ever fights again! :p)
So his options are to move up or down in weight.
Move Down- he's only ever said he would move down for Floyd. Who doesn't want to fight Floyd, it's the Golden ticket. It's also the only Challenge that is remotely difficult for Floyd. For the record, I think Floyd would win that , but the only reason it's talked about is because Floyd is so superior to everyone near his weight . To be fair it is unrealistic. Why should Floyd want it? He's 38 and he's had a gutful. People should leave him to retire in peace.
Move up- I've said many times before, GGG isn't a big MW. He would however probably still beat every SMW out there EXCEPT Ward. IMO , this fight is also unrealistic. Ward is a big SMW and if we're honest , he's moving up. The 164 catchweight is bullshit really, but I do think Ward should take that as a compliment because GGG is realistic enough to realise he can't beat Ward at 168. So take Ward out of the equation , and what is there for GGG? not a lot really. His biggest money fights are still Canelo/Cotto and Quillin/Jacobs.
So it's not easy really.
Think Martin Murray has given him the biggest test to date and even that really wasn't a test.
Cotto is on 160 already with just under a month to ive seen, Canelo was 167.8.
It's just beyond ridiculous isn't it? Im assuming Canelo does know where one weight limit ends and another begins?
Im too big for 154, but Im not big enough for 160 :) laughable.
For the record, Ward would have been bang on for telling Golovkin to fuck off if he suggested 164.
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Originally Posted by Memphis
Oh... I think we all know Canelo is big enough for 160. The post just preceding yours is a testament to that. It IS laughable. Canelo is GGG's same size right now. 155 is just a good hiding place while GGG either dies, or moves up to challenge Ward.
Canelo almost 168 at 30-day weigh-in
This is laughable, alright.
If Cotto beats Canelo and does not fight GGG at 160, he'll catch shit for ducking him.
Yet the reality is that Cotto isn't, and has never been, a 160-pounder.
His worst sin was reaching for that title (MW) in a way that doesn't sit well with anyone, because in truth Cotto's build is not one of a MW. Too short.... too small-framed.
Canelo, on the other hand, is a true MW. That's where he belongs. On Nov 21 we're going to witness a young MW fighting an older SMW. It's gonna be a tough mountain to climb for Cotto... but I'm confident he's up to the task.
Now let's say Canelo wins..... and does not fight GGG at 160 either.
Now THAT, gentlemen..... will be a true and classic D-U-C-K.
The excuses have already begun.
DLH says they'll fight someday..... but not yet..... not yet.
Canelo says GGG has to come down to 155.
Never mind that Canelo himself is a MW.
No..... let's have you come down to 155 where you can be drained beyond belief.
Cotto did it to Geale and caught shit.
Let's see Canelo catch the same shit.
Canelo is a ginger-haired version of Chavez Jr.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto is already 160
Both should do the honorable thing and not pretend they are fighting for the middleweight title. They should just make this light middle title. These are two good fighters in there own right.
GGG is the uncrowned middleweight champion who everyone knows would smash both up one after the other on the same night.
GGG is the big white elephant in the room overshadowing this fight and it need not be.
Oscar will steer canelo clear of GGG unless he is drained.
Sanchez: GGG wants the WBC belt, Cotto / Canelo not the priority | World Boxing News
Sanchez says Canelo has the advantage in the fight because of youth...What if he boxed GGG? They are similar ages him and Cotto lol.
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Originally Posted by imp
Exactly. Said so by Canelo himself.
Canelo: Body Not Yet Ready To Face Golovkin at 160 - Boxing News
What's funny is hearing Canelo grouping himself with Cotto in saying that neither are 160-pounders. What a crock of sh*t. Especially given their recent 30-day pre-fight weights. Canelo is GGG's size right now, if not bigger. Of course I'm rooting for Cotto to win. But if Canelo beats Cotto, it'll be interesting to watch Canelo and his team do the Michael Jackson "moonwalk" when asked about fighting GGG. "Ducking" will be taken to a whole new level.
The thing is whoever wins, if they again choose to avoid Golovkin will be ducking at the same level, whatever that whole new level is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Exactly. Said so by Canelo himself.
Canelo: Body Not Yet Ready To Face Golovkin at 160 - Boxing News
What's funny is hearing Canelo grouping himself with Cotto in saying that neither are 160-pounders. What a crock of sh*t. Especially given their recent 30-day pre-fight weights. Canelo is GGG's size right now, if not bigger. Of course I'm rooting for Cotto to win. But if Canelo beats Cotto, it'll be interesting to watch Canelo and his team do the Michael Jackson "moonwalk" when asked about fighting GGG. "Ducking" will be taken to a whole new level.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThe thing is whoever wins, if they again choose to avoid Golovkin will be ducking at the same level, whatever that whole new level is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Exactly. Said so by Canelo himself.
Canelo: Body Not Yet Ready To Face Golovkin at 160 - Boxing News
What's funny is hearing Canelo grouping himself with Cotto in saying that neither are 160-pounders. What a crock of sh*t. Especially given their recent 30-day pre-fight weights. Canelo is GGG's size right now, if not bigger. Of course I'm rooting for Cotto to win. But if Canelo beats Cotto, it'll be interesting to watch Canelo and his team do the Michael Jackson "moonwalk" when asked about fighting GGG. "Ducking" will be taken to a whole new level.
I agree they should fight GGG at 160, no less. But I wouldn't blame Cotto for relinquishing the MW title which technically is not really a MW title at all, because Cotto has absolutely no business at 160. Canelo, on the other hand, belongs at 160 and will eventually be bigger than that. Shades of Chavez Jr. For Canelo not to fight GGG would be exponentially worse than for Cotto not to fight GGG.
Here's more moonwalking by Canelo:
Canelo: When I Decide To Go 160, I'll Face The Best - Boxing News
Pleeeease.
That, and $3 will buy me a caffe latte at Starbucks.
Neither of them are going to fight Golovkin. Golovkin should call their bluff after they fight and offer to go to 155 to make the fight with the winner. Whoever it is that wins will still bottle it.
Fuck it, that's what I'd do. I'd wait till Kellerman asks them and they make the 155 excuse then get in the ring and challenge the fuckers on live TV to fight at 155.