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Gennady Glovkin 34 Wins (31 Knockouts), 0 Losses, 0 Draws
91% knockouts 100% win :D
Many Pacquiao 57 Wins (38 knockouts, 19 decisions), 6 Losses (3 knockouts, 3 decisions), 2 Draws
67% knockouts 87% win. :-S
I think GGG. And u???
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GGG Knockouts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go2WoAAj-hQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSWCPmMg0J4
It would depend on how many Pacquiao's? Golovkin can probably beat two at the same time but three might be pushing it.
This thread shows indisputably why GGG is better.
best of best ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Right now there is no question that Manny is best and in a class of his own, but let's ask this question again after GGG fights and wins belts in 8 weight divisions. Heck, I'd say GGG is the best then.
You guys are trying to compare a circle to an octagon, they look similar but aren't! IMO, of course.
The hype for GGG is crazy considering he's yet to beat any genuine world class opponent yet
Well if that's the litmus test then just what were those he destroyed? And after you answer that question then answer this......why do people like Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins still get hyped as super men? Based on the criteria you have used, not one of them fought any real world class middleweight opponents? How is it those 3 routinely get top 5 on Mid all times lists? Nino and a long in the tooth Briscoe were the only 2 real middleweights with name rec Monzon fought and Hagler had Vito and Minter. Hopkins never fought a world beater at middle. Tito was not a middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Whats crazy is this ubiquitous double standard regarding Mr. Golovkin.
Manny at his peak was levels above Golovkin I think. Now he's coming off a career defining defeat and major surgery and has announced his intentions to retire on his next fight. Golovkins future is wide open and he's doing nothing but improving. Still lean towards Manny when it comes to mastering the English language though.
First, welcome to the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by nmc231295
Stats only prove other stats exist much of the time. Manny has accomplished a hell of a lot more then the Kazak has but he's had the luxury of fighting in deep deep divisions with lots of name recognition and full of super stars that were willing to fight.
The Kazak is fighting in one division that is shy on name rec and those that have it would rather work in a factory in Bangladesh then fight him. He operates in a division loaded with posers and fake titles that is enabled by the powers at be. Manny could get people (stars) to drop weight as a challenger and pay them 20 million dollars.
They operate/operated on two completely different fields of play.
To the question its almost like asking who was better Armstrong or Burley? If you merely look at the resumes its Armstrong but if you dig deeper and look closely, Burley got frozen out just like Golovkin.
Moore was the only one to escape that crew and it took him 160 fights to do it.
I think Golovkin is a far better all around fighter then Manny based on the eye test but that does not translate into the same fame when you don't get what little star power that is around to the ring. I can also see it the other way. If you could take a Manny to middle and carry with him the exact same tool box I suppose he could win.
GGG is a very exciting fighter, bashing every one up very impressively innee?
Well I've never seen a top 5 list with monzon or Hopkins on it but I would have hagler in my top 5 cause he beat genuine world class fighters and I don't care if they were smaller than him, I would love to see GGG even fight smaller fighters like cotto canelo Lara or even trout but that fact is he's faced very low level fighters so far and people are going a bit over the top with the hype and I personally just don't get itQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWell if that's the litmus test then just what were those he destroyed? And after you answer that question then answer this......why do people like Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins still get hyped as super men? Based on the criteria you have used, not one of them fought any real world class middleweight opponents? How is it those 3 routinely get top 5 on Mid all times lists? Nino and a long in the tooth Briscoe were the only 2 real middleweights with name rec Monzon fought and Hagler had Vito and Minter. Hopkins never fought a world beater at middle. Tito was not a middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Whats crazy is this ubiquitous double standard regarding Mr. Golovkin.
What Manny did was amazing and until GGG goes up in weight and dominates then he is no comparison.
Pacquiao was amazing with wins over Morales, Barrera, Hatton, Cotto, and DLH. GGG has a long way to go to get a resume like that. I barely know some of these GGG fighters. He needs big fights and hasn't had one approaching his mid 30's.
I think this is a great post thread, and really shows a deep understanding of boxing and the fight game.
Hers another great question on the same lines: who is better between Jung Koo Chang and John L Sullivan? Who would win? who has the best career?
It's posts like this that keep me glued to this website!
PS: who would win between a polar bear and a medium sized Ethiopian campfire?
Now GGG is a victim because people want him to fight a good fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWell if that's the litmus test then just what were those he destroyed? And after you answer that question then answer this......why do people like Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins still get hyped as super men? Based on the criteria you have used, not one of them fought any real world class middleweight opponents? How is it those 3 routinely get top 5 on Mid all times lists? Nino and a long in the tooth Briscoe were the only 2 real middleweights with name rec Monzon fought and Hagler had Vito and Minter. Hopkins never fought a world beater at middle. Tito was not a middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Whats crazy is this ubiquitous double standard regarding Mr. Golovkin.
This shit has gotten out of hand. Let the man just retire now clearly he is the GOAT FFS!
I've not posted on this thread till now, because quite frankly I think it's a bit daft. Everyone knows I'm a big admirer of GGG, and Pac has gone down in my esteem recently in and out of the ring. However, because these 2 could never possibly have fought each other, the only way we can judge it is on respective achievements. on that basis , it has to be Manny all day long, and you would have to be completely mental to dispute that.
Many has accomplished so much more than ggg to this point. ONce ggg takes on some truly credible threats then we can make a comparison. ONce he starts stepping up in weight and fighting more than cab drivers, then compare.
What does ggg do with JMM? Can he beat him?
Cab Drivers? A tad harsh me thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
Please, that's just silly. At least try to pretend to be objective. Its a shame that he has not had a bunch of famous x-welterweights unable to make weight anymore moving up to establish that name rec. Its to bad that there is no Don King around to force unification because he owns all the players. Facts matter so try to pay attention to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878