At least 18 dead, maybe 26 with possibly 60 hostages too.
Paris shootings and explosions near Stade de France kill 18 - BBC News
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At least 18 dead, maybe 26 with possibly 60 hostages too.
Paris shootings and explosions near Stade de France kill 18 - BBC News
Awful I love France, I hate that this has happened, I hope they catch who did it and I can only guess it was Muslim extremists just because the last time it happened it was them.
It is a bit confusing, the restaurant where most of the dead are is being reported as an 'Asian' restaurant.
A couple of explosions have occurred at Stade de France (where the French were playing the Germans at Football) with one reported death.
Also 60 people have allegedly been taken hostage at a Concert in the French Capital.
The Police say at least eleven have been killed at the restaurant; 35 now dead at the Theatre where the concert was, with the hostage situation 'ongoing' there too, with maybe as many as a Hundred hostages.
Any attempt at weeding out the scoundrels will be seen as racial profiling. How can any saying first world civilized police taskforce go about weeding these bastards out without at least a modicum of racial profiling are these questioning that specific community for leads and tips and hints and clues
Sad, but predictable. Nation bombs other nation and a few years later gets some blowback. I think we have seen this story before. I guess they will just bomb some more in revenge rather than hand over the original war criminals.
Dreadful again the people who are responsible I hope are quickly caught.
Seems it was carnage , I hope they can
round up all those involved.
I was at the Wales v Netherlands game last night, and we were coming out of there talking about our plans for heading over to France next year, and we get in the car to hear this. I can't believe what sort of perverted human ideas would suggest this kind of thing might make you a martyr.
BBC reporting that between all the attacks it is over 110 people killed. Lots of hashtags and images going around the internet at the moment.
128 dead and rising. 100 in critical condition.
How could they pull this off so soon after the Charlie Hebdo slaughter? (Just in case, I'm not implying a conspiracy)
I find the "pray for you" mob a bit annoying. These savage nutters justify their actions because of superstitious nonsense. Madness.
Paul Craig Roberts has already suggested a possible false flag. Assad is bouncing back in Syria and the crazies will resort to anything to get what they want regarding their long delayed Syrian war. I may be cynical, but let's see where it takes us. It will be used cynically, you can be sure about that.
This shows that you just can't try to placate these extremists. Surely these kinds of attacks will cause for a stoppage of importing refugees and start some nationalistic fervor in not just France but all of Europe.
If it closes the borders, then that would be an unusual positive. But if they bomb Syria and close the borders. Well, that would be despicable.
What can be done?
Obviously it's necessary and customary to have the usual harsh rhetoric from the world leaders (Obama, Cameron, Hollande, etc). But what actions can and should be taken at this point? I think each nation should strengthen its intelligence community. Pour as much money as is feasible into it. We're at a point where no excuses are good enough not to do this. It's the only way to combat terrorism.
But those leaders are hypocrites considering that they have gone to sovereign nations and bombed the shit out of innocent people. It is blowback, it was to be expected. That's if it wasn't a false flag as many people seem to think it was. The words of Obama (drone man), Cameron (Libya liberator), and Hollande (playboy bomber) are a fricking joke.
Nobody will ever get serious and say stick Blair in the Hague and apologise to the people of Iraq for starting all this. Instead Europe and the US are on their march and they seem intent on creating their narrative which a propaganda state can largely sustain. It does suck for the people who get thrown under a bus for political reasons, but that's how these guys think. I honestly think this all ends up about Assad with some careful spinning (He just has to go, you know). This time Russia isn't backing down and they are not short of allies this time.
Intelligence? You do know that is mostly for domestic surveillance. Those guys should be cut completely, borders closed and foreign bombing outlawed. It would be a start. You are simply advocating the Stasi because you have become emotional. They want that reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by GandalfIntelligence? You do know that is mostly for domestic surveillance. Those guys should be cut completely, borders closed and foreign bombing outlawed. It would be a start. You are simply advocating the Stasi because you have become emotional. They want that reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Borders closed? For how long? Idealistic, but irrational.
Foreign bombing outlawed?? As opposed to domestic bombing? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Intelligence is where you target it. Domestic, international... I've yet to read an instruction manual that limits intelligence to domestic surveillance.
Emotional? Maybe emotional is what we need, Miles.... instead of throwing around useless rhetoric.
Two choices: You either bomb the country where the cockroaches are coming from..... or you infiltrate the cockroach gang and use nano-intelligence on them to destroy them from within. No rhetoric... no harsh words... no wringing of the hands.
Every country should have controlled borders. Europe is ridiculous in this regard. No country should have an open border for obvious reasons of security. I sound stupid? Go and tell that to the border troops here. You keep a nation as it is without it overrun by basically anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfIntelligence? You do know that is mostly for domestic surveillance. Those guys should be cut completely, borders closed and foreign bombing outlawed. It would be a start. You are simply advocating the Stasi because you have become emotional. They want that reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Borders closed? For how long? Idealistic, but irrational.
Foreign bombing outlawed?? As opposed to domestic bombing? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Intelligence is where you target it. Domestic, international... I've yet to read an instruction manual that limits intelligence to domestic surveillance.
Emotional? Maybe emotional is what we need, Miles.... instead of throwing around useless rhetoric.
Intelligence is largely about targeting domestic citizens. Go and read some Snowden documents. There is a reason why foreign policy is so lame and never works, they are too busy checking out naked girls back home doing selfies.
Oh, and stop bombing other countries. Stupid eh? No invasions of Libya, Iraq, and arming of ISIS and the Middle East would be less messy right? Too right, I am right.
Emotion is the weakness in all of this as gullible people lap it up. The world needs reason and war criminals in prison and we have NONE of that. You won't even mention the war criminals, but 'ooh ramp up intelligence'. You are who they target as you are gullible in a moment of crisis. I simply see their plans for what they are.
Flights tickets cheeps now tho.
Open borders are really stupid, there are people you need to keep out, I wonder how many of theses
scum bags we have let into the UK, A FEW I EXPECT, claiming they are being persecuted.
We should really be more selected who we allow in the UK, it may be not be very humanitarian to
stop people, but why take in people who want you dead,!!!!! extremely foolish and stupid.
Maybe it's time to close our border, if you don't let them in they can't KILL YOU, very simple really
not rocket science, if they get in deport them straight away.:bag:
Good bye
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Originally Posted by GandalfEvery country should have controlled borders. Europe is ridiculous in this regard. No country should have an open border for obvious reasons of security. I sound stupid? Go and tell that to the border troops here. You keep a nation as it is without it overrun by basically anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfIntelligence? You do know that is mostly for domestic surveillance. Those guys should be cut completely, borders closed and foreign bombing outlawed. It would be a start. You are simply advocating the Stasi because you have become emotional. They want that reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Borders closed? For how long? Idealistic, but irrational.
Foreign bombing outlawed?? As opposed to domestic bombing? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Intelligence is where you target it. Domestic, international... I've yet to read an instruction manual that limits intelligence to domestic surveillance.
Emotional? Maybe emotional is what we need, Miles.... instead of throwing around useless rhetoric.
Intelligence is largely about targeting domestic citizens. Go and read some Snowden documents. There is a reason why foreign policy is so lame and never works, they are too busy checking out naked girls back home doing selfies.
Oh, and stop bombing other countries. Stupid eh? No invasions of Libya, Iraq, and arming of ISIS and the Middle East would be less messy right? Too right, I am right.
Emotion is the weakness in all of this as gullible people lap it up. The world needs reason and war criminals in prison and we have NONE of that. You won't even mention the war criminals, but 'ooh ramp up intelligence'. You are who they target as you are gullible in a moment of crisis. I simply see their plans for what they are.
Controlled borders is different from closed borders. Glad you fixed that. ;)
Forget your hangups about intelligence and open your mind. Intelligence is a tool. Like any other tool, if it's used correctly it works. If not, it works against you. That's what controls are for. Any intelligence, regardless of its rough edges, is better than nothing at all.
And we'll continue to agree to disagree about emotion. That's what's wrong with this smug, jaded society of young cynics we're bringing up today. They do nothing but snicker, throw one-liners... all the while trying to act cool while doing it. The lack of emotion is what has sucked humanity dry of any desire to really solve the world's problems. It's easier to throw in some witticisms and do nothing.
Isis claims the attack? From downing a Russian plane to this is horrible.
If any saddo posters Live there or has loved ones my heart goes out to you.
Isis will claim anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
That's F'd up...but oh so true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIsis will claim anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
ISIS needs to get blown up....at least the Taliban stayed in their own nation.
But hey, no worries, Obama has them and by "them" I mean ISIS, "the jv team" "under control" ....bravo, what a leader!
Copied from depraved thread
Great nations didn't care when these killers were in Ghana, Kenya Ethiopia.
They got bolder as a result of honing their terror against nations no one cared about.
Religion itself is a springboard for holy wars be it The Hebrews of the Tanak whose God commanded they kill. Be it the 30 years war in Europe or today's jihadist groups: this planet has always dealt with Killing in the name of a supreme being.
I wonder how many Muslims took to heart when George Bush Jr stated God placed him in power to go into Afghanistan into Iraq.
Backed by an American General LT. General Boykin who repeated those words to Muslims overseas.
Palestinian ministe Nabil Shaathr instigated it IMO...when he echoed those words to Palestinian and Arab Muslims.
Today none want to ask Bush Jr...if God is pleased.
Comedy is always the beast response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glxh9ZgP7kc
#intentionaltypo
Hilarious :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umqvYhb3wf4
John Oliver is a twat
But he's not the worst of them..."How do we fight ISIS?"
A Successful Climate Change Conference Is The Best Response To ISIS Brutality | Corinne Lepage
"By leaving a smaller carbon footprint" :vd:
In terms of perspective these terrorist attacks happen weekly in Syria and the reason why thousands have fled.
It is time that a serious message is sent out to ISIS and every terrorist group throughout the world.
Justin Bieber has a gig on Thursday November 19th at the Toyota Centre, Houston, Texas.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
And that is why they will continue to have 'success'. They are so small and insignificant, that the only way they can 'succeed' is by the building up the hatred, and then 'offering' an alternative to those Muslims who feel they are outsiders and unwanted in the Developed world.
So El Kabong, with posts like that, you are in your own small way helping to keep ISIS alive...
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Originally Posted by Britkid
Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.
Besides ISIS isn't even Muslim....it's Jewish or American....I mean see for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOF0_yARfw
Of course you do not love your enemies, but my point is ISIS is so insignificant that it relies on the Developed world 'turning' their people to ISIS with ignorance and prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.
And before anyone has a hissyfit....I'm not anti-Muslim, I have many friends who are Muslims, I frequently ask for their views and clarifications regarding Middle East politics and to be quite honest some of them are not interested in the Middle East at all seeing how they have assimilated into American life and of course I treat them no differently than any of my other friends.
I'm just frustrated that ISIS is allowed to exist and honestly it doesn't look to me like Obama is doing ANYTHING to fix the situation.....you think expanding drone strikes is going to win us allies? Obama is a pussy. Obama would rather disarm the American citizen than get rid of ISIS.
Not much mention of 5 Syrians with stolen passports being caught making way through Honduras to U.S. There are hearing so much cartoon BS about a HUUUUGE wall being the answer that we are forgetting the best allies we may have are those closest watching the boarders before our own. There will be a day when we yearn for 100 orange pickers "taking our jobs" over the true wolves on the doorstep.
So it's "ignorant" to want to destroy your enemies....but at the same time naïve to love your enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidOf course you do not love your enemies, but my point is ISIS is so insignificant that it relies on the Developed world 'turning' their people to ISIS with ignorance and prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.
See here's where you hit a brick wall with your typical critical theory take on this situation.
To be blunt, for someone of your intelligence, I do not know if the excuse of ignorance is good enough for your views; I start to wonder whether it is a prejudice, particularly when you come out with the 'I have Muslim friends' defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidOf course you do not love your enemies, but my point is ISIS is so insignificant that it relies on the Developed world 'turning' their people to ISIS with ignorance and prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Well I've seen enough movies to know that if we LOVE our enemies and welcome them with open arms they'll have a crisis of conscious and end up befriending us.
So it's "ignorant" to want to destroy your enemies....but at the same time naïve to love your enemies.
See here's where you hit a brick wall with your typical critical theory take on this situation.
But then I think: It is El Kabong, he is just throwing out a cliche... So his only 'prejudice' is lack of originality...
So you don't have an answer in your big bag of 'Critical Theory'? Just run of the mill insults then?.....Uh, thanks, I guess :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid