i am frightened to be in this world. are people even human beings anymore? 120 + people killed in france?
wtf?
it is mind boggling. i am scared.
and this:
California mom convicted in daughter's microwave death
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i am frightened to be in this world. are people even human beings anymore? 120 + people killed in france?
wtf?
it is mind boggling. i am scared.
and this:
California mom convicted in daughter's microwave death
The greater technology become the more we get informed on what has always been happening: attrocities, needlessly
Just get out of the garbage area of earth. Let these rabid dogs eat each other. All of these politicians talking about "talks". These people are not going to change. Let them sort it out. We dont even need their oil anymore. There is enough oil floating around to last the world for 20 years w/o pumping another drop. These people are stuck in the 6th century. Just pull out. You cant force western ideals of democracy on people. How much more proof do these dicks in suits need? Just get out and let them implode.
Rarely do I get a chance to disagree with someone I respect a great deal. Here it is.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
While I agree with you they are behaving like beast mode: the conspiracy theory in me argues that since 2004 or so, military contractors are in greater numbers than our Great soldiers.
From Iraq to Afghanistan, our military is bound not just by the Geneva convention, but a code of honor, whereas contractors aren't tied to neither.
With that said, how can we assume all contractors have just missions?
Is it possible that those who run America ..create these boogie men?
I for one accept the assassinated Benazhir Bhutto's claim that Osama Bin Laden was murdered one named Omar Shiek who worked with both sides.
Reasoning to me as why Osama only produced tapes to coincide with American elections.
And that utter garbage from Obama about giving Osama a burial at sea for Islamic law. Muslims are surrounded by sand, so how was that a just answer?
His#1 man when killed was from an air raid, remember? How the fuck does a bomb blow up the house ajd Zarqawi made it outside...to be identified?
Last I read 2 books by one Kanan Makayia. The few kids in 1990 in Iraq that survived Saddam's war, survived Desert Storm, sanctions...the crushing of their uprising aka Intifada that was crushed when American General schwarkopf gave Saddam back his helicopters to mow down tens of thousand caught trying to escape....those who survived ALL that....:eek:
What must their hearts be like? Their soul, void. Their spirit broken.
Some of those killers are demons...others are those that didn't just lose hope
They lost their minds.....Holla at ya boy!
You can't just get out and leave them alone. The world is too small now.
Once they consolidate themselves, rest assured that they will export their global jihad in a better and more organised way. The reason they exist is to make the whole world follow their extremist Wahabbi Sunniism, do you think they will stop that fundamental belief just because they see we lack the stomach to fight them?
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeRarely do I get a chance to disagree with someone I respect a great deal. Here it is.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
While I agree with you they are behaving like beast mode: the conspiracy theory in me argues that since 2004 or so, military contractors are in greater numbers than our Great soldiers.
From Iraq to Afghanistan, our military is bound not just by the Geneva convention, but a code of honor, whereas contractors aren't tied to neither.
With that said, how can we assume all contractors have just missions?
Is it possible that those who run America ..create these boogie men?
I for one accept the assassinated Benazhir Bhutto's claim that Osama Bin Laden was murdered one named Omar Shiek who worked with both sides.
Reasoning to me as why Osama only produced tapes to coincide with American elections.
And that utter garbage from Obama about giving Osama a burial at sea for Islamic law. Muslims are surrounded by sand, so how was that a just answer?
His#1 man when killed was from an air raid, remember? How the fuck does a bomb blow up the house ajd Zarqawi made it outside...to be identified?
Last I read 2 books by one Kanan Makayia. The few kids in 1990 in Iraq that survived Saddam's war, survived Desert Storm, sanctions...the crushing of their uprising aka Intifada that was crushed when American General schwarkopf gave Saddam back his helicopters to mow down tens of thousand caught trying to escape....those who survived ALL that....:eek:
What must their hearts be like? Their soul, void. Their spirit broken.
Some of those killers are demons...others are those that didn't just lose hope
They lost their minds.....Holla at ya boy!
The thing is, this conflict is as old as civilization itself and in the end has nothing to do with economics on their end save a means and everything to do with basic tribal religious practices and interpretations of a fairy tale.
The trouble is when the coalition was at the gates of Bagdad, they let all the Republican guard take off their uniforms and melt back into the public. The West then appointed a puppet tin pot who happened to be Shia and the Shia were oppressed by Saddam and his Sunni republican guard. Their brutal rivalry can be traced back to the dawn of man. Anyway back is a bitch and the Shia backed puppet government went about to do what Saddam did to the Sunni's. The Republican guard came out of the shadows and started ICIS and now it has morphed into this Holy war and war of civilizations.
It makes little difference now how many mercenaries or soldiers are there. And in Syria does anyone even know who they are shooting at? Now we got the Russians bombing people the West is backing.
Our influence is why we are in this mess. We sleep with the Saudis and park jets on Saudi soil to bomb bronze age countries back to the stone age. Now Irans involved and ICIS blows up a bomb in Beriut because they hate Hezbollah who are backed by the Iranians. This is insane. Just get out and lets contractors, bag men, kill each other. Pull all western forces out and let the chips fall where they may. Why should those innocents in our countries suffer for hatchet job foreign policy? Nothing has changed in 4000 years with these people. Its not even about defeat or winning and losing. We cant win period and that should be obvious by now. How about we quit bombing their innocent people. Whats the distinction between our brand of terrorism and theirs? Since they keep telling us to get out of the Arab world maybe we should try it? What do we need it for?
The bottom line for me is this, if this was a science experiment the conclusions would have been drawn years ago but because its a social experiment it seems to have an eternal shelf life. Why do we continue to do the same thing over and over and over again and expect different results? When Einstein coined that as a definition of insanity, he was not talking about math or physics. It was really a social commentary. Its been a colossal failure. Now these animals are most likely sending their flock to the west as Syrian refugees. I'm thinking Christ himself may need to make an appearance or we wash our hands of this mess.
Cheers.
I think "christ" should have stepped in to save that baby from being cooked to death. Jesus. God. They enjoy the show.
Politicians and bureaucrats will not resolve a hate as this that cuts so deep to the bone. We're already in up to our neck and now its coming home, we cannot just up and leave now.
Agreeeeeee 100% DICKS IN SUITS BEHIND MICROPHONES WITH "ESQUIRE" AFTER THEIR POMPOUS TITLES.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Agreeeee 100% where the f*** was Jesus Christ the Savior of mankind where the f*** was he that renegade Jewish rabbi with anti imperial philosophies against Julius Caesar. Where the f*** was he to protect that little baby that was microwaved to death. What a bunch of b******* anybody who believes in Jesus Christ or God or any of these f****** religionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If we are going to resolve this situation, how about systematic extermination? Start with the new refugees, the refugee camp's, sink the boats, then cordon off Saudi Arabia and get after it.
If we are playing terror games and making statements killing a billion people is a strong one. Bring the mass unmarked grave back in fashion.
@Iaminit
The thing is, this conflict is as old as civilization itself and in the end has nothing to do with economics on their end save a means and everything to do with basic tribal religious practices and interpretations of a fairy tale.
I disagree. this conflict has accelerated since 9-11. the many factions from Al Queada in afghanistan
to Hezbollah Founded in the wake of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982,
to Yasser Arafat's PLO these kind of groups are less than fifty years old.
The trouble is when the coalition was at the gates of Bagdad, they let all the Republican guard take off their uniforms and melt back into the public.
True but that was calculated by the Iraqi interim president predecessor Paul Bremer They wanted no bathists in any positions. And ask myself if I lived there and learned that A foreign nation setup psa production sharing agreements (allowed foreign companies to oversee oil production) would I see that as a good thing for my country? When Obama drew down the number of soldiers...Exxon mobile didn't leave, BP to Shell petroleum stayed. The land with oil allowed to Iraqis is almost all in Kurdish territory. Shia and Sunnis loathe that so I think these people are killing for various reasons, it's religion, some it's political and others who are sick.
The West then appointed a puppet tin pot who happened to be Shia and the Shia were oppressed by Saddam and his Sunni republican guard.
True, but Iraq is not the incubator for the many factions already mentioned from Hezbollah, plo, Taliban to the janjaweed. Professor David Fromkn wrote a heavy book Ottoman Empire-- How the Middle east was carved into new states like Lebanon to Iraq. The very places to whIch terror groups originate.
Their brutal rivalry can be traced back to the dawn of man
IMO this rivalry didn't have foreigners betraying their homeland to join like whites and blacks here in America and even in France,
I think we have a tendency to look at the middle east conflicts because 1.Arabs watching the United nations displace Palestinians ... are vengeful as a result
2. the resources underneath their feet from Iraq ,, gas, oil to Afghanistan's opium to lithium valued at least a trillion $
My point:
if they didn't have such vast resources would we catalog their quarrels? As far back in time black in Africa had conflict. the yellow man (asian) European wars to the red man whose tribes were warring before whites came in the u.s. had tribal conflicts, y Mayans, Aztecs pulling beating hearts from the chests of their enemies...so Arab don't stand out as being the only people that war against each other for thousands of years.
. Anyway back is a bitch and the Shia backed puppet government went about to do what Saddam did to the Sunni's. The Republican guard came out of the shadows and started ICIS and now it has morpheds
into this Holy war and war of civilizations.
Agreed. I add whats x stated...these terror groups has its philosophy rooted in wahabism...began in the previous century not thousands of years ago.
It makes little difference now how many mercenaries or soldiers are there
I could agree If they aren't engaged in under cover shady shit. I remember sick Cheney's response to having more contractors than soldiers. (we have to work...on the dark side) why?
And in Syria does anyone even know who they are shooting at? Now we got the Russians bombing people the West is backing.
agreed
Our influence is why we are in this mess. We sleep with the Saudis and park jets on Saudi soil to bomb bronze age countries back to the stone age. Now Irans involved and ICIS blows up a bomb in Beriut because they hate Hezbollah who are backed by the Iranians. This is insane. Just get out and lets contractors, bag men, kill each other. Pull all western forces out and let the chips fall where they may. Why should those innocents in our countries suffer for hatchet job foreign policy? Nothing has changed in 4000 years with these people. Its not even about defeat or winning and losing. We cant win period and that should be obvious by now. How about we quit bombing their innocent people. Whats the distinction between our brand of terrorism and theirs? Since they keep telling us to get out of the Arab world maybe we should try it? What do we need it for?
I agree except the contractors staying..those crazed individuals don't see them as contractors, they are infidels period..to them.
The bottom line for me is this, if this was a science experiment the conclusions would have been drawn years ago but because its a social experiment it seems to have an eternal shelf life. Why do we continue to do the same thing over and over and over again and expect different results? When Einstein coined that as a definition of insanity, he was not talking about math or physics. It was really a social commentary. Its been a colossal failure. Now these animals are most likely sending their flock to the west as Syrian refugees. I'm thinking Christ himself may need to make an appearance or we wash our hands of this mess.
IMO we are falling into their trap.
We are focusing on ISIS and not the environment they come from. I think you know if we could destroy them...another group comes.
As the killings to me isn't limited to religion. It's that, political, financial, evil, revenge.
I agree , Jesus or the creator of this earth is the only one that can solve this mess
I as a mere mortal do not even like to hurt a fly. I do not smash insects. I let them out into the outdoors with great care after some time spending 15 or 20 minutes trying to capture them in a cup if they are in the house and release them back into their environment with love for all creatures. Therefore I cannot understand how god the creator of all living creatures in the universe could simply sit back and watch a 1 month old baby be painfully microwaved in a microwave oven to death. Why did God not intervene????????
I'm the same, Brock. Can't even kill a fly. I think it's a safe bet that god doesn't intervene because he was created by men.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
God was created by men absolutely and completely because men need to explain how and why they are here and they need to think that their lives have a purpose beyond just getting up every morning and taking a s*** and eating and going to bed and rinse and repeat rinse and repeat and that's it until they die. That is a very empty and unpleasant thought So men constructed these f****** absolutely insane fairy tales to give them hope from their miseryQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterI'm the same, Brock. Can't even kill a fly. I think it's a safe bet that god doesn't intervene because he was created by men.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Look I'm just fed up with all the liberal bullshit regarding this place on the planet and I'm a liberal. This isn't about 911. That is just American-centric belief. What I'm saying is we should try doing nothing. Why are we even there for? We keep setting up these puppet dictators and hide behind this "democracy" horse shit. Clearly there are places on this planet that such a theory cannot apply or it would have evolved by now. We are quite literally dealing with elements of Islam that are mentally in the 5th century.
Get out of their territories and take all the military hardware out. If mercenaries persist on their own then so be it. This part of the world have been lost since I was born and has now turned into tribal warfare. Its simply naive after all the freakin empirical evidence to keep on with this failed experiment.
If everything we have done thus far based on military involvement has failed then the opposite must be true. Peace is simply impossible with the status quo of intervention. Its impossible.Oil is no longer a viable reason or some Russian red tide. FFS two of the suicide attackers were refugees from Syria who came over to Europe via Greece. Why does the West even need influence there? Is it Israel? Just get out and if some super Arab country comes out of it then deal with it then. All of these condolences every time this happens makes me want to hurl. Nobody deals with the cause. All of these pseudo intellectuals that pop up on broadcasts from their Ivory towers talking about the same shit as they did last time and the time before that and.....
Never seen anything so black and white remain so grey for so long. Sometimes the solution is simple. This situation reminds me of a line from The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet, "when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Get out or at least eliminate it as a possibility to solve the problem by doing it. If its a war on civilizations be it christian vs muslim or secular vs Islam then it wont change a thing. Either that or nuke the place and be done with it. Use the same logic as Truman did. Or lets just let them bomb us for the next hundred years and get involved in meaningless wars there until the end of time.
Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Spot on. Cut them loose and let them fight. If they persist in attacks like this, kill them in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Great nations didn't care when these killers wee in Ghana, Kenya Ethiopia.
They got bolder as a result of honing their terror against nations no one cared about.
Religion itself is a springboard for holy wars be it The Hebrews of the Tanak whose God commanded they kill. Be it the 30 years war in Europe or today's jihadist groups: this planet has always dealt with Killing in the name of a supreme being.
I wonder how many Muslims took to heart when George Bush Jr stated God placed him in power to go into Afghanistan into Iraq.
Backed by an American General LT. General Boykin who repeated those words to Muslims overseas.
Palestinian ministe Nabil Shaathr instigated it IMO...when he echoed those words to Palestinian and Arab Muslims.
Today none want to ask Bush Jr...if God is pleased.
All those little c*********** like George Bush and Dick Cheney have to fall back on now is a piss-poor argument that goes like this:
isn't the world better off today without Saddam Hussein?
Hajaha what a load of b******* take a look at Iraq right now you tell me how much better off Iraq is now without Saddam Hussein
Surprisingly enough, quite a few Iraquis would say it is better now. Not all of them have forgotten Saddam, how his goons would snatch people in the middle of the night, how his sons would cruise the streets and rape women, how all the oil money went missing, how all their sons were conscripted and sent to fight Iran.
It's awful now, make no mistake, but let's not rewrite history.
And by the way, I lived in Kuwait during the invasion and we used to go to Baghdad every other weekend so I'm not spouting crap I know nothing about ..... Like a few keyboard warriors do on here ;D
Mankind is an abstract concept, thus it will end:
We are made up from little bits of billions, possibly trillions of stars, we will all; Christian, Muslim, Jew et al, gods and all; eventually be 'sucked' into a black hole, crushed to an infinitesimally small size, and then possibly be thrown out at the speed of light again, creating a new Universe; where hopefully we do a better job...
No, where hopefully this mush is never seen again. The evolution of and in particular the evolution of humanity is the big stain upon the world. I would like a new time without it and for it to be chucked into space and a subsequent alien craft obliterate the disgusting mess.
Humanity is the problem here on earth, so press the button and get on with it. And you in the bunkers, some are clever too, and will hunt you down.
"i view your world wondrously....with your majestic silver seas....your people i do not understand......so to you i must put an end.....and you'll never hear surf music again."Quote:
Originally Posted by gandalf
---3rd stone from the sun