Cotto vs canelo score cards ?

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11-22-2015, 04:18 PM
g3org3

Cotto vs canelo score cards ?

How did use score the fight ? I had canelo winning 7 rounds and cotto 5 and thought the score cards were pretty ridiculous. I watched the fight this morning so wasn't tried and favour none of them so wasn't watching favouring any fighter but just felt cotto was never going to win on points against canelo since he's backed by golden boy and just just gave a big fuck you to the WBC. Canelo did win but just feel he's always going to get the nod in a close fight like the Lara fight I actually believe Lara won that fight.

Also was not impressed with canelo at all actually think he looked lazy in parts with horrible foot work and no way see him being the superstar some people think soon as he can't bully an opponent that can box he's going to be in trouble
11-22-2015, 04:22 PM
erics44

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I thought going in to the fight cotto would have had to win very well to get a decision

I think one of the judges only gave cotto 1 round which was very harsh but I also think only 2 rounds to Canelo is a bit close
11-22-2015, 04:27 PM
Jimanuel Boogustus

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I have to be honest I wanted Canelo to win but I could only make a case for giving him 6 rounds at best. I thought he lost the fight. Just wasn't enough from him over the first two thirds like I thought would be the case. So I was scratching my head at the end of the fight at those scorecards.
11-22-2015, 04:52 PM
armin

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I had canelo 9 to 3 or I thought case for 8 4 is also reasonable, blocked a lot or made cotto miss and landed the far better punches, seems like I am in the minority on this but that is how I personally saw the fight.
11-22-2015, 05:03 PM
Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by armin

I had canelo 9 to 3 or I thought case for 8 4 is also reasonable, blocked a lot or made cotto miss and landed the far better punches, seems like I am in the minority on this but that is how I personally saw the fight.

I had it 9 to 3 as well. Alvarez defense was very good. He blocked and rolled with a lot of Cotto's punches. When Cotto did land clean, Alvarez walked right through it. Cotto on the other hand felt it every time Alvarez landed clean
11-22-2015, 05:15 PM
ruthless rocco

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8-4 Canelo.

The 6th round was the only round where I thought Cotto looked like he may have a real chance in the fight. After that he was done. Competitive, but done.
11-22-2015, 05:40 PM
erics44

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9-3, 8-4 is about right

7-5 seems close
11-22-2015, 08:06 PM
ykdadamaja

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It was a good fight. Canelo out-landed Cotto, but not by much. Not by the way Floyd out-landed Canelo. But Canelo deserved the nod.
11-22-2015, 09:12 PM
Ron Swanson

I was rooting for Cotto but had Canelo win wide. He landed the harder punches all fight long. You could tell very clearly Cotto was the one that was trying to avoid exchanges. He didn't throw combinations as much as flurries so he could get off and get away. I thought Canelo was in clear control throughout. In fact Iwas a little embarrassed for Cotto because I thought it was so clear that Canelo was winning and yet Cotto was looking to get away. It's one thing to move when you are winning, it's something completely different to move when you are losing. If you are losing while moving you have to stand and fight. I thought it was quite evident that Roach put together yet another poor plan and had no plan B per usual. Roach is a great trainer if you are going to dominate, he'll make you look a million bucks because he is all about offense. But if you get in with someone that will hit you back Roach offers nothing, you are alone.

I think they both looked rather mediocre. My stream didn't show the post fight stuff but I assume Cotto will consider retirement, I think he should. He is not a middleweight, he can beat the Geale types butI could name 15 fighters between MW and Jr MW that might very well beat him at this point in his career and those division suck. It's not an indictment of Cotto, he has been a great champion but the best of him is gone. He can no longer make a weight he could be elite in. And Canelo is a decent fighter but will always have a low workrate because he is exhausted after 4 punches. His legs will always be shockingly slow. He will never be a superstar on talent even if he is on heritage and appearance.
11-23-2015, 03:55 AM
Spicoli

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right about 116-112 Canelo. He was doing the hurting in there and controlling the real estate. Cotto boxed well early but slowly became more concerned with moving out than winning points with punches. I hope Canelo either goes up to legit middle or dumps the trinket, this whole CW division bs between divisions and non middleweights fighting at middleweight is tiresome.
11-23-2015, 05:07 AM
Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by armin

I had canelo 9 to 3 or I thought case for 8 4 is also reasonable, blocked a lot or made cotto miss and landed the far better punches, seems like I am in the minority on this but that is how I personally saw the fight.

Same - I had it 9-3 Canelo; I could see 8-4, or 10-2. I can't see much closer than that though.

I thought Canelo looked terrific. I am one, who doubted him at first, but with his wins over Lara, Trout, Kirkland, and Cotto (to me, all were clear wins), I'm gradually becoming a fan. He hasn't dodged challenging fights. He seems pretty real.
11-23-2015, 05:17 AM
p4pking

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I think sometimes people tend to want to see cards reflect how competitive a fight was, rather than who actually won the rounds. Haven't watched it again or anything, but I'd agree that Cotto won between 2 and 4 myself. Only the one card was off, but what would boxing be without at least one Stevie WOnder scoring a top fight.
11-23-2015, 05:24 AM
Fenster

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I had Canelo a comfortable winner. The old boy couldn't put a dent in him and seemed happy to get to the finish line.
11-23-2015, 08:00 AM
THE THIRD MAN

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I had it 116-112, competitive early, but as the fight went on Canelo was landing heavy power shots while Cotto's punching had no effect on Canelo at all. It was a good fight, but the genuine bigger man won clearly. I give Canelo a chance against GGG.... a better chance than anyone else going around. I expect to see two fights, GGG will find it tough knocking him out.
11-23-2015, 08:20 AM
Hulk

115-113 Canelo.

It was a close and competitive fight.
11-23-2015, 09:04 AM
Addicted to_boxing

I had it 7 rounds to 5 but could have easily given more to Canelo. Another boring fight promoted as a "war". I think Cotto's past is what hurt him. A warrior came to fight as a dancing fairy. Welcome to world of Mexican stereo typing. No Mexican fighter has ever been able to win rounds jabbing and back peddling the majority of a fight and none will ever seems only black fights are able to get away with that crap.
11-23-2015, 12:58 PM
Mr140

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I think Canelo won about 10 rounds i do not see how Cotto would get rounds missing puches while going backwards i mean if he was out landing and hitting harder i coudl see it but he was not. Canelno was dodging most of what Cotto through at him and landing big body shots which think people are underrating really. Canelo has beaten Trout, Lara, Kirkland and Cotto now he cleaned out alot of the top guys and his defense is getting way better. I am pretty high on ggg but if he can not hurt Caleno who seems to have very good chin he might be in some shit with the Ginger and for every saying they are worried about Canelo facing him well the man faced everyone worth a shit thats his weight. I see some negative stuff on the guy but he has done nothing but face the best and win most of the time what else you want from him.
11-23-2015, 06:48 PM
Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

I had it 7 rounds to 5 but could have easily given more to Canelo. Another boring fight promoted as a "war". I think Cotto's past is what hurt him. A warrior came to fight as a dancing fairy. Welcome to world of Mexican stereo typing. No Mexican fighter has ever been able to win rounds jabbing and back peddling the majority of a fight and none will ever seems only black fights are able to get away with that crap.

So a Mexican man fights a Puerto Rican man and you feel the need to belittle the accomplishments of black men? That's sad, what the hell is wrong with boxing fans? Every day with nonsense like this, pathetic, absolutely pathetic. I think I've reached my limit with this nonsense. Nobody wants to simply acknowledge the truth, everything is a BS narrative, say it enough times and it's the truth right? Sad fucking state this world is in.
11-24-2015, 03:12 AM
TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

I had it 7 rounds to 5 but could have easily given more to Canelo. Another boring fight promoted as a "war". I think Cotto's past is what hurt him. A warrior came to fight as a dancing fairy. Welcome to world of Mexican stereo typing. No Mexican fighter has ever been able to win rounds jabbing and back peddling the majority of a fight and none will ever seems only black fights are able to get away with that crap.

So a Mexican man fights a Puerto Rican man and you feel the need to belittle the accomplishments of black men? That's sad, what the hell is wrong with boxing fans? Every day with nonsense like this, pathetic, absolutely pathetic. I think I've reached my limit with this nonsense. Nobody wants to simply acknowledge the truth, everything is a BS narrative, say it enough times and it's the truth right? Sad fucking state this world is in.

In all fairness, it wasn't only black men. In one short, ignorant post, he managed to belittle black fighters, Puerto Rican fighters, and homosexuals. It takes a certain amount of "talent" to be able to do that.
11-24-2015, 04:39 AM
Sleepwalker

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The scorecards were definitely De La Hoya-esque. Nonetheless, Canelo won the fight decisively, although he did fatigue toward the end of many rounds. I thought that was very obvious. He really needs to work on his stamina if he plans on hanging in there with heavier guys.
11-25-2015, 07:40 AM
Primo Carnera

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Just watched the fight, first impressions I thought Canelo won fairly handily, probably by about 6 rounds. Way too big and strong , pretty ironic seeing as he was the LMW and Cotto was the MW! :rolleyes:
Mind you, Canelo will steer well clear of GGG, he's tailor made for him. If Canelo walks GGG Down like he did and throw those heavy hooks and uppercuts, without using a jab , there is no doubt he would walk into a World of trouble. I say KO inside 4 rounds.
Finally, I have to say , Cotto's Missus! What the fuck is that?
11-25-2015, 07:44 AM
Lineal

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I think 9-3 or 8-4 for Alvarez is about right.
11-25-2015, 09:50 AM
Mr140

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I don't know if Canelo is tailor made for GGG i mean he was making Cotto miss a shit tone and he way faster then GGG. It is going to come down to can GGG hurt Canelo because if he can not he is fucked i have yet to see ginger hurt and his defense is much improved.
11-25-2015, 10:49 AM
Sleepwalker

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I don't know if Canelo is tailor made for GGG i mean he was making Cotto miss a shit tone and he way faster then GGG. It is going to come down to can GGG hurt Canelo because if he can not he is fucked i have yet to see ginger hurt and his defense is much improved.

Canelo is unable put on an onslaught of punches without getting tired at the end of rounds.

He needs to start doing roadwork up in Big Bear.
11-25-2015, 04:27 PM
Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I don't know if Canelo is tailor made for GGG i mean he was making Cotto miss a shit tone and he way faster then GGG. It is going to come down to can GGG hurt Canelo because if he can not he is fucked i have yet to see ginger hurt and his defense is much improved.

I understand that Canelo is durable at LMW and that's mainly because he is a MW. But he does get tagged, and there isn't a fully blown MW that GGG has hit that has been able to withstand it.
Naturally we won't know till it happens. But the reason I said within 4 rounds, is because if he comes forward as much and as aggressively with Canelo As he did with Cotto without using a jab to set it up, he will take a lot of power punches, and it might be a short night.
I might be doing Canelo a disservice and it may go the other way, but I don't think so.
11-25-2015, 08:50 PM
Mr140

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Well the thing i have seen is Canelo has mad adjustments most of the time when he is fighting and has beaten some tough names. GGG has not faced anyone that is the same caliber as Canelo who will have the speed and boxing ability over him and if he cant hurt him he is fucked.
11-26-2015, 02:02 AM
Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well the thing i have seen is Canelo has mad adjustments most of the time when he is fighting and has beaten some tough names. GGG has not faced anyone that is the same caliber as Canelo who will have the speed and boxing ability over him and if he cant hurt him he is fucked.

Without wanting to labour the point, I don't think Canelo has more boxing ability than GGG. They do things different , but it is who is most effective.
For instance , Canelo has good power, but loads up big time and that leaves him open. Whereas GGG generates a hell of a lot of power without loading up too much, far more economical. Also , Canelo's footwork is poor in my opinion, and although GGG isn't a dancer, the way he closes the space is second to none.
Anyway, that's my opinion, although I'm certainly no coach! 😄
11-26-2015, 06:40 AM
Jimanuel Boogustus

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I think Canelo's power is overrated. Fuckin Mayweather hurt Cotto more than he did.

No if Canelo fights GGG then he gets destroyed.
11-28-2015, 05:05 PM
Master

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Boxnation only gave BT sport 11 rounds so I do not know what happened in round 10. :mad:

I scored it 7-5 rounds to Canelo. The fight was not exciting, there was a lot of blocking, moving and feints but very little landing. Cotto was trying to outbox Canelo and Saul was loading up too much.

I do not want to see a rematch.