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Anthony Joshuas weight increase
Does no one else find it odd how Joshua has gone from 230lb when he turned pro just 2 years ago to 250lb in his last fight?
How much more will the increase be for this one?
He was 24 when he turned pro, a fully mature adult with no growing left. He also has always used weights since before he started boxing, so its not like there was some untapped potential growth there that most people get when they first start weight training.
Its an unreal gain if you are doing that with just training and eating normal foods. Even protein shakes etc wont get you that.
Its also not just the increase but the complete lack of suspicion from the media about it and in forums. I dont see it mentioned alot if at all but there are pro body builders who wish they could achieve that!
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It's not just you Ross. Dillian has finally found his tongue and mentioned it along with Joshua being a coke head apparently. Gagging order must be up?
Is a stone and a half over 2 years on a massive 6'6 frame that obscene a gain?
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You have to assume the weight gain is through legal means, there is no legal evidence to suggest otherwise. That said Boxing does not help itself with its almost non existent drug policy.
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It must be added muscle which will not do him any good.
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Originally Posted by
ross
Does no one else find it odd how Joshua has gone from 230lb when he turned pro just 2 years ago to 250lb in his last fight?
How much more will the increase be for this one?
He was 24 when he turned pro, a fully mature adult with no growing left. He also has always used weights since before he started boxing, so its not like there was some untapped potential growth there that most people get when they first start weight training.
Its an unreal gain if you are doing that with just training and eating normal foods. Even protein shakes etc wont get you that.
Its also not just the increase but the complete lack of suspicion from the media about it and in forums. I dont see it mentioned alot if at all but there are pro body builders who wish they could achieve that!
Very Predictable Ross, I have to say.
I wonder if you could give us the benefit of your opinion as to why Tyson Fury's weight has fluctuated maybe 30 - 35 Lbs in his career? Some pessimists might suggest Diuretics, but obviously I wouldn't.
For the record, I'll give you my opinion .
Joshua- I don't think it's excessive at 6 Foot 5 tall to put on a stone and a half. Again, his team probably think that's where he needs to be weight wise. Again , sceptics will look at his physique and think he's on steroids, and you have regularly said in the past the he has "put on 20lbs of Muscle." I don't know how you know that is the case?? I don't think it's 20 lbs of muscle, my belief is that would be nigh on Impossible.
Fury - again, I think the reason he came in at under 250lbs the other week , was because his team believe that is his optimum, most effective weight. Clearly, with the performance he put in, they were quite right.
So it's as simple as that , both parties feel that those are their optimum weights.
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20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
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Originally Posted by
ross
20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
Yeah , me too. Having said that, it'll just be like when somebody chipped in about betting and you wouldn't / couldn't understand that either!
You keep saying "20 lbs of pure muscle". How do you know it is 20 lbs in muscle? Ok, we know it's 20 lbs in weight, but I repeat , how do you know it is 20 lbs of pure muscle?
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
ross
20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
Yeah , me too. Having said that, it'll just be like when somebody chipped in about betting and you wouldn't / couldn't understand that either!
You keep saying "20 lbs of pure muscle". How do you know it is 20 lbs in muscle? Ok, we know it's 20 lbs in weight, but I repeat , how do you know it is 20 lbs of pure muscle?
Ok brains, find me a picture of Joshua looking any fatter than when he turned pro:rolleyes:
Unless your telling me hes a secret boozer and its all visceral fat?
;D
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Originally Posted by
ross
20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
@AdamGB would be useful about now, shame he doesn't post that often.
The bit in bold. I agree in part, but only in part. For Joe Bloggs popping down the gym at the weekend, occasionally after work, mostly looking at tarts in yoga pants yeah they'd struggle to pack on 20lbs of lean muscle I'm sure.
But for a full time athlete with the best of everything who is also clearly very gifted genetically, is it really that ridiculous a gain?
Ross why don't you think his physique and weight gain has got more exposure?
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Perhaps he took something as a penis enlarger, just like Justin Gatlin did. If that's so, he will be OK.
Maybe he will club Whyte to death with his semi erect cock?
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X
Perhaps he took something as a penis enlarger, just like Justin Gatlin did. If that's so, he will be OK.
Maybe he will club Whyte to death with his semi erect cock?
Not going to happen; Eddie cannot pull out of a 69er! ;)
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
ross
20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
Yeah , me too. Having said that, it'll just be like when somebody chipped in about betting and you wouldn't / couldn't understand that either!
You keep saying "20 lbs of pure muscle". How do you know it is 20 lbs in muscle? Ok, we know it's 20 lbs in weight, but I repeat , how do you know it is 20 lbs of pure muscle?
Ok brains, find me a picture of Joshua looking any fatter than when he turned pro:rolleyes:
Unless your telling me hes a secret boozer and its all visceral fat?
;D
Ross, Ross , Ross, my funny pedigree chum, I've just started another thread that I'm sure you'll be interested in.😄
Now , have you ever heard of Ratio or Proportion? Basically if an 11 stone guy like Canelo for arguments sake, can look in shape at 11 stone, then 24 hours later can look in shape or not "look fat" as you put it at 12 and a half stone, then why can't a guy who was 16 and a half stone look in good shape at nearly 18 stone. Add to that the fact that he's 6 foot 5 inches tall, I think it's feasible.
I repeat how do you KNOW he has put on 20 lbs of pure muscle?
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He looks like someone who has gone from training 5 times a week to 25 times a week. For a few years.
He's gone pro and then trained a lot. It is more muscle, but look at him, he's a fucking beast. It doesn't look like it's bothering him. It probably wasn't even deliberate.
Plus in amateurs you want to be lighter and fast. Pro he wants power.
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0james0
He looks like someone who has gone from training 5 times a week to 25 times a week. For a few years.
He's gone pro and then trained a lot. It is more muscle, but look at him, he's a fucking beast. It doesn't look like it's bothering him. It probably wasn't even deliberate.
Plus in amateurs you want to be lighter and fast. Pro he wants power.
This is my issue.
Anyone who knows about building muscle will tell you you need to rest.
If you are doing weights to build muscle you couldnt even do pad work or sparring effectively because you would be too sore anyway but doing all the regular boxing training would not allow the muscle fibres time to repair and grow or hypertrophy. Also, running is out of the window to build muscle. The more endurance type training the more you are holding back growth.
Regardless of how he has acheived this growth it will not help his stamina in a hard fight.
This is not his natural size as the large muscle increase from the age of 24 will prove. Very few heavily (developed) muscled men become world class fighters. For instance a fighter like Mike Tyson was a freak of nature and was huge from a child. His body was used to moving that mass around. A fighter like Bruno although eventually became a world champion because of the fragmented titles and McCall being stoned struggled with stamina. He was a big strong and tough fighter and took a good shot but he took too many because he was too tired and stiff to be fluid and move well. Joshua has yet to even feel what its like to breath hard in the 4th. Had he got in to the second half of a 10 round fight it wouldnt be such an issue but when hes mentally and physically fatigued and gasping for oxygen to feed all that new muscle tissue he will noticably slow and panic for it. He might feel fine in trainng and sparring where there is nothing at risk and no threat of losing.
He will panic sat in the corner at the end of the 4th knowing he has another 8 rounds to go when his legs and arms feel heavy and tired and all he knows what to do is off load heavy shots he needs energy for.
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He's 26 yrs, he might put on another 20 before he reaches 30 yrs. Are you laying the ground work for an excuse when Joshua planks Fury? ;D
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He may have started a mass building regiment 2 years ago. Its easy to hand pick guys that may be juicing but in reality I'd say most of the boxing world is cheating so I'm not sure roid allegations or inference should be taken all that seriously. I mean if everyone is doing it then whats the benefit of pointing out a possible user? The sport does not take it seriously cause if they did we'd have random testing as the norm not the exception.
Wach just pissed hot again lol. From the B sample post Povetkin. He just does not look like a juicer but now he's been busted twice.
Holyfield had no issues making 190(old cruiser limit) and jumped from 190 against Deleon to 210 against Thomas in 8 months and then. Roids? To us it may seem like a lot because I had never heard of Holy having weight issues and have no idea if Joshua ever did in his amateur days. It could be that although they never struggled per-say, they did deprive natural growth. I doubt either man stunted that growth by staying shallow weight wise for a few years.
Another thing to consider is the kind of supplements and science around today that are legal which contribute to weight gain more then any time before it really. Also, how much is water whether he looks muscled out or not?
I have not seen any recent study but it would be interesting to see what a valid paper says on the topic. How much protein etc etc can be processed by the body and added on to muscle mass naturally? Is it physically possible to put on x amount of muscle mass through diet and nutrition?
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Ross you sound like a T.Rex in with an orangutan. You are reaching. So he a British heavyweight who is not Fury and you think that nooby boxing fans are all missing something that only you in your all knowing wisdom have noticed. The failure to go many rounds because he is flattening everyone is not a flaw. I am sure He also trains for stamina but apparently you can tell he will run out of it despite no evidence of that happening. Anything else we don't know?
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regardless of weather he is taking anything or not I think the question of how his body will cope with the later rounds of a fight is a far more interesting one.
Yes he will train for it but he won't be doing 12 rounds with someone who is trying to push him to his very limits, that is something that he won't be able to train for, there are no signs of stamina issues at the moment but then the dude has barely had to get himself out of bed for all of the fights he's had so far.
I like AJ and I wan't to see him do well (I hate how he is skys poster boy though) but I want to see him seriously struggle in the later rounds just to see if he can come through it or not
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beenKOed
He's 26 yrs, he might put on another 20 before he reaches 30 yrs. Are you laying the ground work for an excuse when Joshua planks Fury? ;D
This could be the reason.
Tyson should not be nervous of anyone after beating Wlad but I think he wants to retire before meeting any of the punchers.
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Ross you're talking about possibilities like they're hard facts. Joshua may well struggle later in a fight due to his size and composition, we just don't know. You're not the first to suggest it and it's not something new or exciting to do so.
The comparison with Bruno is there and always has been, physically they are like two peas in a pod. I do think Joshua is more fluid than Bruno though. Bruno later in his career looked like he was carved out of mahogany, in his earlier days he was still very big, but not as ridged. Take a look at his fight with Jumbo Cummings, he fought hard into the 7th or 8th round I think, still punching hard and that was after having to be sack trucked back to his corner at the end of the 2nd. Whilst he was no Kenyan marathon runner, his stamina looked alright in that fight.
I think Whyte is just the man to test Joshua in every way we want him tested. I think he'll stand up to Joshua's punches well and force him to fight into the second half of the fight. I cant wait to see how it pans out.
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IamInuit
He may have started a mass building regiment 2 years ago. Its easy to hand pick guys that may be juicing but in reality I'd say most of the boxing world is cheating so I'm not sure roid allegations or inference should be taken all that seriously. I mean if everyone is doing it then whats the benefit of pointing out a possible user? The sport does not take it seriously cause if they did we'd have random testing as the norm not the exception.
Wach just pissed hot again lol. From the B sample post Povetkin. He just does not look like a juicer but now he's been busted twice.
Holyfield had no issues making 190(old cruiser limit) and jumped from 190 against Deleon to 210 against Thomas in 8 months and then. Roids? To us it may seem like a lot because I had never heard of Holy having weight issues and have no idea if Joshua ever did in his amateur days. It could be that although they never struggled per-say, they did deprive natural growth. I doubt either man stunted that growth by staying shallow weight wise for a few years.
Another thing to consider is the kind of supplements and science around today that are legal which contribute to weight gain more then any time before it really. Also, how much is water whether he looks muscled out or not?
I have not seen any recent study but it would be interesting to see what a valid paper says on the topic. How much protein etc etc can be processed by the body and added on to muscle mass naturally? Is it physically possible to put on x amount of muscle mass through diet and nutrition?
He was a super heavy which had no upper limit. He didnt have to make any weight. You also dont have a growth spurt in your mid twenties;D
His trainng would be more detrimental to building muscle now than before as hes supposed to be training for longer fights.
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DRIVEN perhaps by a simple lack of knowledge or even more sinister motivations, a growing number of people are perpetuating rumours regarding Anthony Joshua’s impressive physique, several inferring that it has not been achieved naturally. These frequenters of forums and social media platforms have at least been given something to think about by Mark Ellison who, as Joshua’s nutritionist and a long-time friend of the Comonwealth heavyweight champion – who meets arch-rival Dillian Whyte this Saturday – has genuine insight into Anthony’s level of discipine. Presented with the slurs regarding Joshua’s body, Ellison defended the practises of the boxer and his team.
“I’ve been working with Josh since 2010 and this guy is a real athlete,” Ellison told Boxing News. “He’s done decent times on the track and fancies himself as a bit of a footballer in the past, before boxing. I hear people talking about how his body has changed since he turned pro but we’ve got stats on body composition and nothing major has changed, plus he’s a man now. If you look at his S&C work you’ll see much of it is speed, power and agility-based; you don’t often see this guy lifting heavy weights.”
Ellison works with Joshua regularly and yet is still constantly astounded by the heavyweight’s dedication and commitment.
“Anyone should spend a day in his shoes,” remarked the nutritionist for the GB amateur squad and Manchester United FC. “I’ve worked with a lot of top athletes but the effort he puts in, not only in training but his sleep, recovery, nutrition and lifestyle – it never fails to impress me. I’m amazed at the professionalism from him.
“As amateurs , when everyone would leave the gym, Luke Campbell, Anthony Ogogo and Josh would be there for hours, doing the ‘boring’ things not everyone thinks are important, things like the exercises for their hands the physios recommend, pre-hab stuff. You look at the physique of Josh, Luke, Carl Froch, all the athletes we work with and they are the same. We believe in clean sport and take our responsibilities to these athletes seriously, putting a lot of effort into the planning of a food-first approach to nutrition, with the few supplements we do use being rigorously tested.”
Nutritionist to Anthony Joshua responds to slurs regarding his physique - | Boxing News - boxing news, results, rankings, schedules since 1909
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So, Joshua has weighed in at 245 Lbs. so he hasn't put "20 Lbs of Pure Muscle" on, he's a stone heavier than when he turned pro.
is that Mysterious ? NO!
does it mean he's on Steroids ? NO!
Is it perfectly reasonable to put on a Stone and retain a good physique in 2 years of training like a professional sportsman? YES!
Is Ross at this moment in time searching for another reason to discredit Joshua? YES!
Ross, I've said it before , and I'll say it again......... dissing Fury's competitors doesn't make Fury a better fighter. The only thing that makes Fury a Better fighter is what Fury does in the ring.
Fury did very well in his last fight , It's a start, he needs to continue with the improvement.
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erics44
must be a roider
I hope not, but you never know.
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Primo Carnera
So, Joshua has weighed in at 245 Lbs. so he hasn't put "20 Lbs of Pure Muscle" on, he's a stone heavier than when he turned pro.
is that Mysterious ? NO!
does it mean he's on Steroids ? NO!
Is it perfectly reasonable to put on a Stone and retain a good physique in 2 years of training like a professional sportsman? YES!
Is Ross at this moment in time searching for another reason to discredit Joshua? YES!
Ross, I've said it before , and I'll say it again......... dissing Fury's competitors doesn't make Fury a better fighter. The only thing that makes Fury a Better fighter is what Fury does in the ring.
Fury did very well in his last fight , It's a start, he needs to continue with the improvement.
I dont need to diss any one to make Fury a better fighter. Fury has just beaten the best fighter on the planet with ease and is head and shoulders above the rest;D
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smashup
DRIVEN perhaps by a simple lack of knowledge or even more sinister motivations, a growing number of people are perpetuating rumours regarding Anthony Joshua’s impressive physique, several inferring that it has not been achieved naturally. These frequenters of forums and social media platforms have at least been given something to think about by Mark Ellison who, as Joshua’s nutritionist and a long-time friend of the Comonwealth heavyweight champion – who meets arch-rival Dillian Whyte this Saturday – has g
enuine insight into Anthony’s level of discipine. Presented with the slurs regarding Joshua’s body, Ellison defended the practises of the boxer and his team.
“I’ve been working with Josh since 2010 and this guy is a real athlete,” Ellison told
Boxing News. “He’s done decent times on the track and fancies himself as a bit of a footballer in the past, before boxing. I hear people talking about how his body has changed since he turned pro but we’ve got stats on body composition and nothing major has changed, plus he’s a man now. If you look at his S&C work you’ll see much of it is speed, power and agility-based;
you don’t often see this guy lifting heavy weights.”
Ellison works with Joshua regularly and yet is still constantly astounded by the heavyweight’s dedication and commitment.
“Anyone should spend a day in his shoes,” remarked the nutritionist for the GB amateur squad and Manchester United FC. “I’ve worked with a lot of top athletes but the effort he puts in, not only in training but his sleep, recovery, nutrition and lifestyle – it never fails to impress me. I’m amazed at the professionalism from him.
“As amateurs , when everyone would leave the gym, Luke Campbell, Anthony Ogogo and Josh would be there for hours, doing the ‘boring’ things not everyone thinks are important, things like the exercises for their hands the physios recommend, pre-hab stuff. You look at the physique of Josh, Luke, Carl Froch, all the athletes we work with and they are the same. We believe in clean sport and take our responsibilities to these athletes seriously, putting a lot of effort into the planning of a food-first approach to nutrition, with the few supplements we do use being rigorously tested.”
Nutritionist to Anthony Joshua responds to slurs regarding his physique - | Boxing News - boxing news, results, rankings, schedules since 1909
Bullshit!
Every other video or picture of him trainng involves resistance excercises!
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ross
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Originally Posted by
smashup
DRIVEN perhaps by a simple lack of knowledge or even more sinister motivations, a growing number of people are perpetuating rumours regarding Anthony Joshua’s impressive physique, several inferring that it has not been achieved naturally. These frequenters of forums and social media platforms have at least been given something to think about by Mark Ellison who, as Joshua’s nutritionist and a long-time friend of the Comonwealth heavyweight champion – who meets arch-rival Dillian Whyte this Saturday – has g
enuine insight into Anthony’s level of discipine. Presented with the slurs regarding Joshua’s body, Ellison defended the practises of the boxer and his team.
“I’ve been working with Josh since 2010 and this guy is a real athlete,” Ellison told
Boxing News. “He’s done decent times on the track and fancies himself as a bit of a footballer in the past, before boxing. I hear people talking about how his body has changed since he turned pro but we’ve got stats on body composition and nothing major has changed, plus he’s a man now. If you look at his S&C work you’ll see much of it is speed, power and agility-based;
you don’t often see this guy lifting heavy weights.”
Ellison works with Joshua regularly and yet is still constantly astounded by the heavyweight’s dedication and commitment.
“Anyone should spend a day in his shoes,” remarked the nutritionist for the GB amateur squad and Manchester United FC. “I’ve worked with a lot of top athletes but the effort he puts in, not only in training but his sleep, recovery, nutrition and lifestyle – it never fails to impress me. I’m amazed at the professionalism from him.
“As amateurs , when everyone would leave the gym, Luke Campbell, Anthony Ogogo and Josh would be there for hours, doing the ‘boring’ things not everyone thinks are important, things like the exercises for their hands the physios recommend, pre-hab stuff. You look at the physique of Josh, Luke, Carl Froch, all the athletes we work with and they are the same. We believe in clean sport and take our responsibilities to these athletes seriously, putting a lot of effort into the planning of a food-first approach to nutrition, with the few supplements we do use being rigorously tested.”
Nutritionist to Anthony Joshua responds to slurs regarding his physique - | Boxing News - boxing news, results, rankings, schedules since 1909
Bullshit!
Every other video or picture of him trainng involves resistance excercises!
But it says heavy weights? It also says often.
One of the papers ran a story on him straight after the Cornish fight and had the sub heading along the lines of 'Joshua straight back in the gym doing his punishing heavy weights workout' The guy was clean and jerking about 50/60kg.
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People are saying hes filled out its not all muscle.
What is that extra weight then if not muscle? Is it fat? No! Is it water retention? No...
Muscle doesnt grow from normal boxing training if you are already developed. It can if youve never trained but not someone whos trained and trained with weights for years.
It will be his undoing anyway.
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Antony is not as muscle bound as Bruno. He seems faster and more fluid than that but we will see if tires during the latter stages of his fights.
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ross
People are saying hes filled out its not all muscle.
What is that extra weight then if not muscle? Is it fat? No! Is it water retention? No...
Muscle doesnt grow from normal boxing training if you are already developed. It can if youve never trained but not someone whos trained and trained with weights for years.
It will be his undoing anyway.
as per usual , with your ignorance , you are summising. nothing remotely like a fact anywhere to be seen in your posts.
he's gone from 16 and a half stone to 17 and a half stone in 2 years . considering he's that weight and 6 foot 5, Proportionately, he's not going to look that different. can you not fucking understand this?
either come up with some facts or fucking pipe down!!!
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Primo Carnera
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ross
People are saying hes filled out its not all muscle.
What is that extra weight then if not muscle? Is it fat? No! Is it water retention? No...
Muscle doesnt grow from normal boxing training if you are already developed. It can if youve never trained but not someone whos trained and trained with weights for years.
It will be his undoing anyway.
as per usual , with your ignorance , you are summising. nothing remotely like a fact anywhere to be seen in your posts.
he's gone from 16 and a half stone to 17 and a half stone in 2 years . considering he's that weight and 6 foot 5, Proportionately, he's not going to look that different. can you not fucking understand this?
either come up with some facts or fucking pipe down!!!
You talk a load of shit. Youv jever trained and no nothing about building muscle. For a forum of enthusiasts there isnt much in the way practical knowledge and experience in here.
Your opinion means little to me as it should to anyone else in here. Hes gone up in weight fast. It is muscle which is blatantly obvious for those not just looking for an argument. You might think its not a big increase but talk to anyone else who knows a bit about building muscle and they will agree that it is not insignificant. Especially given all his other training.
This forum is getting as bad as eastside boxing/boxingforum24 with idiots like you arguing about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Its also embarrasing watching others like your crap.
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Ross you are losing it mate. The moment you are worried about other posters "liking" comments that are not yours, is the moment you lose all perspective. Careful too, comparing Saddos to Eastside should be an immediate banning offence.
For such an expert your contribution to the training section seems pretty meagre. After getting ill I put a lot of weight back on with free weights and it certainly wasn't all muscle. About a Stone in a year. Reaching mate.
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Re: Anthony Joshuas weight increase
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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ross
People are saying hes filled out its not all muscle.
What is that extra weight then if not muscle? Is it fat? No! Is it water retention? No...
Muscle doesnt grow from normal boxing training if you are already developed. It can if youve never trained but not someone whos trained and trained with weights for years.
It will be his undoing anyway.
as per usual , with your ignorance , you are summising. nothing remotely like a fact anywhere to be seen in your posts.
he's gone from 16 and a half stone to 17 and a half stone in 2 years . considering he's that weight and 6 foot 5, Proportionately, he's not going to look that different. can you not fucking understand this?
either come up with some facts or fucking pipe down!!!
You talk a load of shit. Youv jever trained and no nothing about building muscle. For a forum of enthusiasts there isnt much in the way practical knowledge and experience in here.
Your opinion means little to me as it should to anyone else in here. Hes gone up in weight fast. It is muscle which is blatantly obvious for those not just looking for an argument. You might think its not a big increase but talk to anyone else who knows a bit about building muscle and they will agree that it is not insignificant. Especially given all his other training.
This forum is getting as bad as eastside boxing/boxingforum24 with idiots like you arguing about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Its also embarrasing watching others like your crap.
You Wanker, it's YOU Who's talking crap! "I've never trained" how the fuck do you know that ? I've said I NEVER BOXED,and I said I did another Sport where it wasn't about being a lower weight , it was more about being bigger and stronger. I also said that I participated to a decent, just below Pro level. How the fuck do you know I'm not an ex (or current for that matter) weightlifter or Bodybuilder?
Just because I don't sob my heart out on here, crying about how unpopular I am and worrying about other people liking other posts, and just because I don't give everyone my life story on here like some needy insecure twat, don't think that you know it all.
Now , I REPEAT ,
a. Putting on a Stone within 2 years of training like a pro is NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
b. How do YOU KNOW it is "20 lbs of pure muscle" ?
And don't reply with "is it water,no is it fat, no" bollocks because that is meaningless. Come up with a fact once in a while.
Joshua was interviewed and said he gets tested 5 times a month. Whyte was asked if he thought Joshua was on Steroids, he said no. He said he was a drug peddler, but not on steroids.
So,unless you can come up with anything resembling a fact rather than live in your pathetic fantasyland of bullshit, fuck off and be ridiculed by everyone in Guernsey who thinks you're a joke figure like every other normal day for you.
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Re: Anthony Joshuas weight increase
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
ross
People are saying hes filled out its not all muscle.
What is that extra weight then if not muscle? Is it fat? No! Is it water retention? No...
Muscle doesnt grow from normal boxing training if you are already developed. It can if youve never trained but not someone whos trained and trained with weights for years.
It will be his undoing anyway.
as per usual , with your ignorance , you are summising. nothing remotely like a fact anywhere to be seen in your posts.
he's gone from 16 and a half stone to 17 and a half stone in 2 years . considering he's that weight and 6 foot 5, Proportionately, he's not going to look that different. can you not fucking understand this?
either come up with some facts or fucking pipe down!!!
You talk a load of shit. Youv jever trained and no nothing about building muscle. For a forum of enthusiasts there isnt much in the way practical knowledge and experience in here.
Your opinion means little to me as it should to anyone else in here. Hes gone up in weight fast. It is muscle which is blatantly obvious for those not just looking for an argument. You might think its not a big increase but talk to anyone else who knows a bit about building muscle and they will agree that it is not insignificant. Especially given all his other training.
This forum is getting as bad as eastside boxing/boxingforum24 with idiots like you arguing about stuff you clearly have no idea about. Its also embarrasing watching others like your crap.
You Wanker, it's YOU Who's talking crap! "I've never trained" how the fuck do you know that ? I've said I NEVER BOXED,and I said I did another Sport where it wasn't about being a lower weight , it was more about being bigger and stronger. I also said that I participated to a decent, just below Pro level. How the fuck do you know I'm not an ex (or current for that matter) weightlifter or Bodybuilder?
Just because I don't sob my heart out on here, crying about how unpopular I am and worrying about other people liking other posts, and just because I don't give everyone my life story on here like some needy insecure twat, don't think that you know it all.
Now , I REPEAT ,
a. Putting on a Stone within 2 years of training like a pro is NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
b. How do YOU KNOW it is "20 lbs of pure muscle" ?
And don't reply with "is it water,no is it fat, no" bollocks because that is meaningless. Come up with a fact once in a while.
Joshua was interviewed and said he gets tested 5 times a month. Whyte was asked if he thought Joshua was on Steroids, he said no. He said he was a drug peddler, but not on steroids.
So,unless you can come up with anything resembling a fact rather than live in your pathetic fantasyland of bullshit, fuck off and be ridiculed by everyone in Guernsey who thinks you're a joke figure like every other normal day for you.
Believe me you dont need to point it out:cool:
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Re: Anthony Joshuas weight increase
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Memphis
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Originally Posted by
ross
20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
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AdamGB would be useful about now, shame he doesn't post that often.
The bit in bold. I agree in part, but only in part. For Joe Bloggs popping down the gym at the weekend, occasionally after work, mostly looking at tarts in yoga pants yeah they'd struggle to pack on 20lbs of lean muscle I'm sure.
But for a full time athlete with the best of everything who is also clearly very gifted genetically, is it really that ridiculous a gain?
Ross why don't you think his physique and weight gain has got more exposure?
I still read the boards occasionally but had a very busy jan-july and I've not really gotten back into posting since, dropped back and having to sift through the usual passive aggressive dribble, obsessive Ali threads and whimsical spam put me off...
That's another story though.
Coincidentally, since July, I've gained 5-6kg. Not really sure you guys want pics, but my body fat % is about the same and my focus was more on gaining strength and power whilst maintaining my conditioning, not gainig mass.
Through work I obviously have access to the gym more than most and more knowledge/experience.
I don't have the genetics, nutritionists or coaching that Joshua has though, nor as much time to train.
If a 6 foot 6 pro athlete packing 20lb on in his early 20s is crazy, a 6 foot bloke gaining over 10lb in under 6 months at 29 must be fantasy?
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Re: Anthony Joshuas weight increase
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
ross
20lb of pure muscle is a huge gain in two years for a heavyweight boxer.
Its not like he was a lighter weight fighter boiling down in weight who could easily move up.
Fury goes up and down with fat and fluid. Joshua has clearly gone up with muscle. I cant believe you even used Fury as an example;D;D;D
Tyson and all the Furys get random tested regularly as Peter Fury points out on hos twitter. He laughs about it because people look at their success and cant believe its just natural hard work. There is a lot of bitterness and jealousy about the furys success but thats neither here nor there.
Anyone whos tried building miscle purposefully will tell you that a lean 20lb gain in two years is huge, even if you are 6,6". Its massive for anyone, let alone someone doing it "naturally" legally.
Like I said, Joshua has said himself he used to be big on weightlifting before the boxing so its not like he just started and unlocked some growth potential out of nowhere. For someone who regularly lifts weights up to the age of 24 to suddenly gain 20lb in 2 years is suspicious!
Im hoping someone who knows a bit about weightlifting/bodybuilding chips in here.
@
AdamGB would be useful about now, shame he doesn't post that often.
The bit in bold. I agree in part, but only in part. For Joe Bloggs popping down the gym at the weekend, occasionally after work, mostly looking at tarts in yoga pants yeah they'd struggle to pack on 20lbs of lean muscle I'm sure.
But for a full time athlete with the best of everything who is also clearly very gifted genetically, is it really that ridiculous a gain?
Ross why don't you think his physique and weight gain has got more exposure?
I still read the boards occasionally but had a very busy jan-july and I've not really gotten back into posting since, dropped back and having to sift through the usual passive aggressive dribble, obsessive Ali threads and whimsical spam put me off...
That's another story though.
Coincidentally,
since July, I've gained 5-6kg. Not really sure you guys want pics, but my body fat % is about the same and my focus was more on gaining strength and power whilst maintaining my conditioning, not gainig mass.
Through work I obviously have access to the gym more than most and more knowledge/experience.
I don't have the genetics, nutritionists or coaching that Joshua has though, nor as much time to train.
If a 6 foot 6 pro athlete packing 20lb on in his early 20s is crazy, a 6 foot bloke gaining over 10lb in under 6 months at 29 must be fantasy?
Yeah id like to see proof;)
Body fat about the same eh? Give or take 10%;D
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Re: Anthony Joshuas weight increase
Nowt to prove :)
The practicality of sending piss and hair samples, before and after shots and a caliper test of my bodyfat verified by an impartial person probably isn't worth it either :p
The fact is that it takes balanced, simple but smart training/nutrition, a lot of hard graft and above all consistency and time.
The average bloke doesn't have a lot of those qualities (relative to a professional athlete) or luxuries so you can't really use joe public as a reference point when talking about an elite athlete.
Doesn't mean that Joshua is clean, but gaining 20lbs on a massive frame in two years isn't a smoking gun for me, there are plenty of tells to look for, this isn't one of them.
Usually 24 you're only just hitting your physical peak.
