Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Ken Norton
Riddick Bowe
Max Schmeling
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Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Ken Norton
Riddick Bowe
Max Schmeling
Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Sam Langford
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson
Larry Holmes
Harry Wills
Max Baer
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Vitali Klitschko
Max Schmeling
@Freedom awesome list bro
Srs question why does Max Schmeling appear on these list sometimes? He seems to have a lot of defeats on his record. I am not an expert at all of boxing of that era, so what was it he did that mades him top 15 p4p ?
@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
The definitive list and in order.
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield
Wladimir Klitschko
Jack Johnson
Hey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One ;)
Frazier had more title defences against better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustHey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One ;)
The Brown Bomber
Muhammad Ali
Jack Johnson
George Foreman
Sonny Liston
Rocky Marciano
James J Jeffries
Jack Dempsey
Joe Frazier
Jem Mace (look him up!)
Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis
Vitali Klitschko
Mike Tyson
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrazier had more title defences against better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustHey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One ;)
Prove it
Jersey Joe Walcott
(Twice)
Ezzard Charles
(Twice)
Roland LA Starza
Don Cockell
Archie Moore
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° °°
Compared to Frazier's defenses:
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
…………………and…………………and?? ??????
Never-mind the usual suspects I'll go with this lot.
INPO
Joe Jeanette
Harry Wills
Peter Jackson
Sam Mcvey
James J. Corbett
Sam Langford
Elmer Ray
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jersey Joe
James Jeffries
Honorable mention to Jem Mace for changing the face of the sport and thinking about a hundred years ahead of his time and also Billy Conn who schooled a prime Joe Louis.
1. Ali: Transcended the sport, dominated the best of three generations during the best era of heavyweights ever, participated in numerous GLOBAL events and delivered in every single instance. Overcame significant odds to defeat two of the most intimidating boxers in history- Liston and Foreman.
2. Joe Louis: Overcame the color barrier and won arguably the most important fight in history (vs. the German Schmeling) when the country needed him most. Most title defenses in history, in any weight. One of the most fearsome punchers in the history of the sport. Comes second to Ali on my list due to quality of opposition and knockout loss during his prime.
3. Larry Holmes: Never unified the titles, but was the best big man for years, making 20 successful defenses and coming within one fight of tying Marciano's 49-0 record. Great boxer-puncher who beat decent competition, but never faced a prime, elite level fighter. I can see a solid case for ranking Larry lower, but I just think the guy was a phenomenal boxer in his day.
4. Evander Holyfield: Second best resume'/quality of opposition on this list, facing all of the big names during his time (Foreman, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer...etc.). Was the second fighter to win the lineal championship 3 times (Ali was the first), and won titles on (multiple) additional occasions. Evander's consistency and habit of fighting down to his level of competition hurts him on my list, but his heart, skill, work ethic, and willingness to fight the best get big points on my list.
5. George Foreman: Two time lineal champ, spanning decades between reigns. One of the most fearsome fighters during his prime, and then transformed into one of the most loveable during his comeback. George destroyed fellow ATG Joe Frazier during his prime, and blew out HOFer Ken Norton in impressive fashion. His knockout of Michael Moorer made him the oldest champ ever (until BHOP), and his record as oldest heavyweight champ still stands today. George's limitations against boxers and his losses to Ali and Young during his prime lower his standing on my list.
6. Joe Frazier: Unified the title and won the Fight of the Century vs. the Greatest Heavyweight ever. Beat solid opposition and was a feared champion (thanks to his murderous left hook), until running into his perfect foil in George Foreman. Blowout losses to Foreman hurt him on my list.
7. Rocky Marciano: Retired with a 49-0 record, but benefitted greatly by coming along during one of the weakest heavyweight eras in history. Marciano was a hard puncher with unbelievable work ethic/stamina and one of the biggest hearts the sport has ever seen. The Rock's weak level of competition hurts him on my list, with his consistency/100% win percentage pushing him into my top 10.
8. Lennox Lewis: Great champ who fought and beat every man he ever shared the ring with. Beat solid competition during his prime (Holy, Ruddock, Golota, Morrison, Mercer...etc.). Knockout losses to journeymen Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman kill his placement on my list.
9. Wladimir Klitschko: Fragile mentality and constitution, but dominated the division for many years. Very skilled for a big man, very intelligent in the ring, and a physically imposing/intimidating heavyweight. Losses to Byrd, Saunders, Brewster, and Fury make Wlad's top ten placement difficult to justify, but his consistency and the fact that he cleaned the division out wins out for me in the end.
10. Mike Tyson: Youngest heavyweight champ ever. Unified the titles and forced the fat, lazy heavyweights to take the sport seriously and get in shape. One of the most intimidating fighters ever, with one of the biggest punches in addition to lightning reflexes and speed. Mental stability and toughness hurt Tyson's ranking on my list, as do his stoppage losses vs. Douglas and Evander. Feel that like Holmes, Tyson was fortunate to fight during a weak era of heavyweights and showed his limitations when he stepped in with solid fighters who weren't intimidated and were committed to winning.
Leon Neon Spinks beat Ali twice. #11 ATG
@Master
Mcneely beat TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Spinks beat Holmes
Morrison beat Foreman
Rocky beat Louis......it happens to old fighters.
Frazier had 9 successful defencesQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrazier had more title defences against better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustHey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One ;)
Prove it
NonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrazier had 9 successful defencesQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrazier had more title defences against better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustHey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One ;)
Prove it
It is true, look it up on boxing rec. He won the title, defended it 9 times before losing it to George Foreman which makes Joe better champion than Rocky. Deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustNonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrazier had 9 successful defencesQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrazier had more title defences against better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustHey, W.W.O., ....... Frazier and NOT Marciano? Rocky held the title from 1952 to 1956 and defended it 6 times (5 KOs, 1 decision). Frazier held it less time and defended it less times as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
WWO= Wolverhamptom Wild One ;)
Prove it
WBA and WBC title he won in 1970 from Jimmy ellis--- he lost those titles on his 5th title defense in Kingston Jamaica.
You are mistakenly thinking the New York State Athletic Commission title is the Heavyweight Champion of the World. Those fights were not HW Champ of the World, those are STATE TITLES, SUCH AS CHAMP OF WESSEX, CHAMP OF ESSEX, CHAMP OF DUNDEE, CHAMP OF DUNGHOLAIRE, CHAMP OF NORTHUMBRIA, ETC.....
NICE TRY THOUGH.
Did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMcneely beat TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Spinks beat Holmes
Morrison beat Foreman
Rocky beat Louis......it happens to old fighters.
;D
yeah, McNeely/McBride--it's all the same for an Amritsari, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDid he?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMcneely beat TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Spinks beat Holmes
Morrison beat Foreman
Rocky beat Louis......it happens to old fighters.
;D
You know I don't see Sonny Liston on the list. Only Ali beat him. Wins over big cat Williams Henry Clark and Floyd Patterson twice. I think he could beat most on this list.
NYSAC World Heavyweight Title. There was no other better heavyweight champion at the time as Ali was exiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Which further supports the case that Ali was the greatest ever heavyweight champion beating 3 greats in his era. No one compares with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Face facts no one has a better record.
Who would come out on top with the most wins if they all fought each other?
Now that is a different question altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Well said sir. In any division a great champion must have 3 things Chin heart and stamina. If Marciano lacked any one of these 3 there is no way he becomes champ. Ali also had all 3 plus ring smarts and speed. Foreman was unbeatable, Ali knocked him out. Liston was unbeatable, Liston was unable to answer the bell for round 7. Ali fought all over the world taking on all comers. Now brothers and Sisters that's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhich further supports the case that Ali was the greatest ever heavyweight champion beating 3 greats in his era. No one compares with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Face facts no one has a better record.
It is but people can get confused over what greatest means. Sime fighters have great careers and achievements but others would beat that same fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNow that is a different question altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Foreman had a great career in the end but most on that list would beat him I think.
Klitschko would also probably be higher as would Lewis and Tyson.
That list would be a bit warped as I could see it beingQuote:
Originally Posted by rossIt is but people can get confused over what greatest means. Sime fighters have great careers and achievements but others would beat that same fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNow that is a different question altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Foreman had a great career in the end but most on that list would beat him I think.
Klitschko would also probably be higher as would Lewis and Tyson.
Lennox
Evander
Tyson
Vitali
Bowe
Holmes
Wlad
Foreman
Liston
Frazier
B*******. Rocky Marciano had just beaten Muhammad Ali and 13 round knockout you and I and the computer all know itQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNYSAC World Heavyweight Title. There was no other better heavyweight champion at the time as Ali was exiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list nowQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis
:S
That computer had a virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustB*******. Rocky Marciano had just beaten Muhammad Ali and 13 round knockout you and I and the computer all know itQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNYSAC World Heavyweight Title. There was no other better heavyweight champion at the time as Ali was exiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
After watching the fight. Jerry Quarry said Marciano couldn't hit Ali in the ass with a hand full of rice.
Quarry had been diagnosed with pin-point aneurysm the week before though.......
first we'll start with Max's Honors:Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqthank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list nowQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis
:S
German Lightheavyweight Champion 1926–1928
European Lightheavyweight Champion 1927–1928
German Heavyweight Champion 1928
World Heavyweight Champion 1930–1932
European Heavyweight Champion 1939–1943
The ONLY PERSON TO KNOCKOUT A PRIME JOE LOUIS WHO WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME
If Joe Louis was that great he would not have been knocked out in his prime. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfirst we'll start with Max's Honors:Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqthank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list nowQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis
:S
German Lightheavyweight Champion 1926–1928
European Lightheavyweight Champion 1927–1928
German Heavyweight Champion 1928
World Heavyweight Champion 1930–1932
European Heavyweight Champion 1939–1943
The ONLY PERSON TO KNOCKOUT A PRIME JOE LOUIS WHO WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME
You mean like Lennox Lewis twice?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Joe Louis was that great he would not have been knocked out in his prime. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfirst we'll start with Max's Honors:Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqthank you for taking the time to answer my question, i have updated my list nowQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust@palmerq excellent question. Schmeling should actually probably be Top 12-13Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
14. Apollo Creed
13 Max Schmeling
12 Max Schmeling
11 Evander Holyfield
10 Larry holmes
9 Vitali klitschko
8 Wladimir klitschko
7 Tyson Fury
6 George Foreman
5 Cassius Clay
4 Mohammed Ali
3 Lennox Lewis
2 Rocky marciano
1 Joe Louis
:S
German Lightheavyweight Champion 1926–1928
European Lightheavyweight Champion 1927–1928
German Heavyweight Champion 1928
World Heavyweight Champion 1930–1932
European Heavyweight Champion 1939–1943
The ONLY PERSON TO KNOCKOUT A PRIME JOE LOUIS WHO WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME
Which is exactly why Lennox or Louis do not deserve to be on the top of any greatest list.
Are you serious? :o:o:o I have them ranked #1 and #6 respectively. Who are your top 10 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I am sure I did my list on this thread. Your list sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustAre you serious? :o:o:o I have them ranked #1 and #6 respectively. Who are your top 10 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master