Creed

I sat down and watched Creed last week. I thought it would be a mess of a film, but was surprised by the decent reception it got so thought I would give it a chance. For the first 80 minutes I thought it was really not very good at all. I simply didn't care for the Creed character nor his relationship. In fact, at times I couldn't even understand what he was saying when he was speaking to his girlfriend. It is saying something when Rocky is the only one enunciating clearly. Mumble, mumble, slang, mumble. Huh?

The film did really come to life once Rocky started getting sick because you always care deeply about Rocky. He has been with you so long and he really is very old now. The fight at the end was fantastic though and finally I started to get behind Creed. Bellew was corny at times, but he did look very good in the fight, though a bit flabby like Tarver was. The tension was great. My palms were getting hot and I found myself standing up a few times in the living room getting really excited.

Overall I give it 7/10 for the final 40 minutes. I only wish that the character building had been better for Creed and his relationship as it didn't affect me. Rocky and Adrien for instance were drawn so much more tenderly and you really cared, but in this film there was too much waffly mumbling and no real emotion. Very manufactured.

My order of best Rocky films is:

Rocky 1
Rocky 2
Rocky 3
Rocky Balboa
Rocky 5
Rocky 4
Creed

You have 5 before 4. I hate you.

4 is fun but the storytelling suffers with all the soundtrack stuff and a lot of training. Its fun but spartan in terms of character development.

I just thought 5 tried to tell more of a story like the first 2. Far from perfect but it was alright.

Watched Creed last night. If you're a Rocky fan, what's not to like.
My order would be 2 , 3 , 1, 4, Creed, 5, Rocky Balboa. 😄

Rocky 4 is the best film ever made in the history of films.

Rocky 5 never happened.

Rocky 5 is underappreciated IMO. I like how it is back to family and character building again. Rocky retiring with brain damage is really sad and to lose all the money which of course does happen. It had moments with Adrien and with Paulie and even a glimpse of Mickey, it still had the formula. The only weakness really was the street fight to finish it. Rocky 4 was sometimes like an advert for holidaying in the Russian wilderness, but still a very good fight, though silly East against West grandstanding. Rocky 1 is just a perfect film IMO. I love everything about it.

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Rocky 4 is the best film ever made in the history of films.

Rocky 5 never happened.

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Quit saying Rocky. Plus you don't even wear one on your wrist.

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Rocky 5 is underappreciated IMO. I like how it is back to family and character building again. Rocky retiring with brain damage is really sad and to lose all the money which of course does happen. It had moments with Adrien and with Paulie and even a glimpse of Mickey, it still had the formula. The only weakness really was the street fight to finish it. Rocky 4 was sometimes like an advert for holidaying in the Russian wilderness, but still a very good fight, though silly East against West grandstanding. Rocky 1 is just a perfect film IMO. I love everything about it.

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As a film Rocky 1 is the best and it got gradually worse until 5 which was rubbish. You are giving too much credit to the film, it is a rip off of all the famous catch phrases and cliche in boxing.

I liked 5 as 3 and 4 were so paper thin in terms of character. In terms of having substance it was an improvement. The cliches were all in 4 with the overblown killing machine, East against West, power pop workouts etc. People say 5 is poor but I disagree. I like it and if you don't like 5 then liking 4 means you are a fan of exercise videos more than anything else. There is a story in 5. Not bad at all. It explores new ground with the end of a career and having to start again.

I'll say this for Rocky 5. The End is great. Not the pony street fight, but the proper end when Elton sings The Measure of a Man over stills of Rocky and co's journey.


Brings a tear to your eye.

The street fight brings a tear to my eye for the reason it destroyed the stupid franchise.

I have seen Rocky 1 and the one with Ivan Drago, I think I have seen bits of the one with Tommy Gunn as well, never liked any of them

Give me Raging Bull any day

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I have seen Rocky 1 and the one with Ivan Drago, I think I have seen bits of the one with Tommy Gunn as well, never liked any of them

Give me Raging Bull any day

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Yep Raging Bull is a great film,very gritty made in black and white a true classic.;)

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I have seen Rocky 1 and the one with Ivan Drago, I think I have seen bits of the one with Tommy Gunn as well, never liked any of them

Give me Raging Bull any day

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Yep Raging Bull is a great film,very gritty made in black and white a true classic.;)

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Yeah, very different films. Raging Bull is the Greatest Boxing film ever, with the greatest Actor ever.
The Rocky films are fantasy and include one of the most wooden actors ever, but you know what? It's FUN.
Some Boxing fans take the Rocky films too seriously, they should take them for what they are.
Mind you, it totally makes me cringe and piss me off a little bit when Stallone is put into the Hall of Fame, and don't get me started about the Contender, when they're having lunch, him at one end of the table and Sugar Ray at the other , and he's holding court, telling boxing anecdotes, and the boxers are mesmerised!!!

Boys just want to have fun and Rocky 4 is inspirational film.

Don't get me wrong, I like Rocky 4. It's a fun film, but it just lacks depth for me. James Brown is all well and good, but he doesn't belong in a Rocky film. It just got a bit silly. Stallone was too obsessed with making Russia look bad at that time and he did the same with Rambo 3. I like all the Rocky films really, but I just think 5 gets a hard time. It is a good story with the return to poverty, the portrayal of a damaged ex fighter, the relationship with his kid and losing focus as Rocky lets Tommy take over and then the betrayal as the King wannabe steals Tommy away and Rocky realises that he has got it all wrong. I remember going to see it at the pictures and it was empty, but even then I really liked it.

Rocky was so embarrassed by 5 that it did not even happen when they made 6.

True, but I think that was slightly dishonest as they needed a way to get round the brain damage to make Rocky Balboa. It couldnt really exist unless they destroyed Rocky 5.

I'm going tonight. Preview screening. Hearing good things so we'll see. Even heard Stallone may get an Oscar nod.

Rocky IV was my favourite as a teen. It came along at the right time but now I'm middle age my order is....

Rocky
Rocky 2
Rocky 3
Rocky Balboa - sentimental angle
Rocky 4
Rocky 5

Although the first was the best if I was bored then 2 is the one I'd put on

I am a child at heart and that is why Rocky 4 is my favourite. I loved the music which I train too and remember queuing in the cinema to watch it with all the audience cheering when Rocky was winning and booing when Drago was beating Rocky. The atmosphere was mental and it was like we were watching a live fight.

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I have seen Rocky 1 and the one with Ivan Drago, I think I have seen bits of the one with Tommy Gunn as well, never liked any of them

Give me Raging Bull any day

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Yep Raging Bull is a great film,very gritty made in black and white a true classic.;)

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Yeah, very different films. Raging Bull is the Greatest Boxing film ever, with the greatest Actor ever.
The Rocky films are fantasy and include one of the most wooden actors ever, but you know what? It's FUN.
Some Boxing fans take the Rocky films too seriously, they should take them for what they are.
Mind you, it totally makes me cringe and piss me off a little bit when Stallone is put into the Hall of Fame, and don't get me started about the Contender, when they're having lunch, him at one end of the table and Sugar Ray at the other , and he's holding court, telling boxing anecdotes, and the boxers are mesmerised!!!

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Stallone the actor the contender was pure theater, add a bit of Sugar Ray commercialized trod it
turned out to be! polished and slick boxing for nice people.
Raging old Jake a twat great stuff how it was how it is ! Creed is all right if you like Rocky simple plot nothing to taxing for the masses.
Nothing wrong with Rocky films but Raging Bull is the boy for me.

I liked the champ.

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Spoiler alert if not seen.

Well that film wasn't bad. Like the Force Awakens it followed the plot of Rocky 1 mind.

Issues I had - both with film itself and the plot

Bellew character was corny as hell
Getting title shot after one fight
Rocky not speaking to Creeds wife since funeral
Rocky Jr. dropping his dad like that
Either Cuff or Link was dead
Final fight was good but was back to exchanging KO blows like Rocky II
Motorbike scene was wank
And who the hell owned Micks gym ????

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Spoiler alert if not seen.

Well that film wasn't bad. Like the Force Awakens it followed the plot of Rocky 1 mind.

Issues I had - both with film itself and the plot

Bellew character was corny as hell - Exactly! It didn't need much acting from Bellew did it? almost playing the Person he wishes he was.

Getting title shot after one fight - He probably nicked that from Lomachenko! anyways , If Eubank can get a high profile through his name , why not? :p


Rocky not speaking to Creeds wife since funeral - Guilt Ridden! He's never been able to deal with Shit in a normal way.

Rocky Jr. dropping his dad like that - This is a bit of continuity from the "Rocky Balboa" film. "Cast a big shadow" and all that stuff.

Either Cuff or Link was dead - Yeah, Nobody lives forever. Shame , the one that's left looked lost without his buddy didn't he?

Final fight was good but was back to exchanging KO blows like Rocky II - Nothing wrong with Rocky II.

Motorbike scene was wank - I thought it was decent . Like when the kids followed Rocky, but a bit darker and more up to date .

And who the hell owned Micks gym ????

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- Well Mick Probably, till he died, then Rocky probably pumped a bit of cash into it, that's why it was looking tidier.

hope that helps.;D

SPOILER ALERT! I'll try to answer the above questions. ;D

Rocky jr inherited the gym from Mick in Rocky V but I didn't get the impression Rocky owned it - seemed to be more the other guy.

And why did Bellew ridicule Creed in the presser saying he'd only had one fight - not realistic. He'd try give it credibility without crying mismatch.

just me being picky when it comes to realism !!

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Rocky jr inherited the gym from Mick in Rocky V but I didn't get the impression Rocky owned it - seemed to be more the other guy.

And why did Bellew ridicule Creed in the presser saying he'd only had one fight - not realistic. He'd try give it credibility without crying mismatch.

just me being picky when it comes to realism !!

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I Can't remember Rocky Jr. inheriting the Gym, I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that one.
as far as Bellew goes, that's exactly what he would do in real life, cos he's a twat! Couldn't be more accurate in my book. ;)

Peter Quillin Plays Roger Mayweather in New Movie "Bleed For This".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftm...ature=youtu.be

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Peter Quillin Plays Roger Mayweather in New Movie "Bleed For This".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftm...ature=youtu.be

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That explains the drop in his performance in the real ring

Or maybe the other way around, Quillin is lucky to have any kind of big role in or out of the ring right now. Hadn't even heard about that film, directed by Scorcese and it's about Vinnie Paz... Might be good.

I watched it at the weekend. Same as Mark I was a little bit put off by a few bits and pieces that may or may not have been important.


I don't see how Rocky and Apollos wife would have simply stopped talking. A more plausible angle would have been if She blamed him and initiated the silence.


I know it's purely aesthetic but I didn't like what Mick's gym had become. From Mark's Rocky trail thread I think it's a dollar store or mini mart type thing these days? I wonder if the interior stuff was actually filmed some place else? The camera locations and décor meant it was unrecognisable to me as Mick's gym.


Creed putting his gumshield in before walking to the ring in Mexicao? No, shouldn't happen.


I thought the son and Rocky were on good terms after Rocky Balboa. Then he fucks off and leaves Rocky to it?


Rocky lied when he said Apollo won fight 3.


Bellew was annoying. His squeaky voice irritated me.


It's been a theme through the Rocky films. People, places, occurrences are all forgotten in the following film. Rocky was a defensive genius by the end of Rocky 3, couldn't slip a punch to save his life in 4.


Niggles aside I enjoyed watching it and Stallone was charming. Some of the references I didn't get. It was as always enjoyable to spend a couple of hours in the company of Rocky.


Some of the ideas for the follow up are way out there.

Agreed with all that - still well above average film

here's my Rocky Tour thread for those that might have missed it ;)

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ky-balboa.html

I watched it last night

I dunno what it is but I just didn't see it as in the same league as the first 4, like rocky 1 and 2 you really get into the characters and story and you really want rocky to win, but I just didn't get into it like that

its like the new star wars, the plot just moved in a way that I just didn't get into the characters or people and I didn't care enough if they blew up the death star