James DeGale- Redemption against Groves possible?

Do you think it would profit DeGale to give Groves a rematch, even now that he has a title and has more to lose?

Personally I felt as if he won their first fight, and was robbed. But it was close. Groves went on to spectacularly get smashed, TWICE, by Carl Froch and lost a snoozer against Badou Jack.

Groves is now canon fodder. He is all but done. He may get another title shot, but he will most likely be paid to lay down rather than be paid to go in and win.

DeGale may as well be right to stay away from Groves IF he feels Groves has his number. But I don't think Groves has his number and I don't think DeGale thinks Groves can edge him, again.

So, is a rematch worth it? Not for DeGale at this stage, and certainly Groves would take any chance as it is to win a title.

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Personally I felt as if he won their first fight, and was robbed. But it was close.

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if it was close how was he robbed? I remember watching the fight and I had Groves winning it but I agree it was close, I honestly can't remember how he was robbed though, were the score cards ridiculously wide or something?

I always kind of thought that Groves had that thing about him where DeGale could beat everyone in the world but he would always come unstuck against Groves, I think DeGale would win quite comfortably now though, I always need to say it but I think he wasted too much time with Channel 5 rather than getting in with Sky or BoxNation, it has come good for him in the end but I can't help but feel he could have got to this level earlier

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Personally I felt as if he won their first fight, and was robbed. But it was close.

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if it was close how was he robbed? I remember watching the fight and I had Groves winning it but I agree it was close, I honestly can't remember how he was robbed though, were the score cards ridiculously wide or something?

I always kind of thought that Groves had that thing about him where DeGale could beat everyone in the world but he would always come unstuck against Groves, I think DeGale would win quite comfortably now though, I always need to say it but I think he wasted too much time with Channel 5 rather than getting in with Sky or BoxNation, it has come good for him in the end but I can't help but feel he could have got to this level earlier

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I mean, it's just something we say when our pick loses a close one. I just say DeGale was not given the benefit of the doubt being the one with the most upside going into the fight. Fuck Frank Warren.

You're clearly not only a DeGale fan, but also , let's say a "disliker" of Groves. He was only "Spectacularly smashed" by Froch once. And even then, up till the KO , the fight was probably even and Groves was starting to get on top.
For the record , I'm not a fan of DeGale, but I had him beating Groves, maybe by a round. Like Batman said, not a robbery.
I reckon DeGale will avoid Groves like the plague, despite the fact that Groves is damaged goods.
Having said that, is Groves emotionally shot?

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

You're clearly not only a DeGale fan, but also , let's say a "disliker" of Groves. He was only "Spectacularly smashed" by Froch once. And even then, up till the KO , the fight was probably even and Groves was starting to get on top.
For the record , I'm not a fan of DeGale, but I had him beating Groves, maybe by a round. Like Batman said, not a robbery.
I reckon DeGale will avoid Groves like the plague, despite the fact that Groves is damaged goods.
Having said that, is Groves emotionally shot?

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I have no issue with Groves. But felt he got a soft win vs. DeGale and he was rushed into the Froch fight, which is something they should have told him not to do.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

You're clearly not only a DeGale fan, but also , let's say a "disliker" of Groves. He was only "Spectacularly smashed" by Froch once. And even then, up till the KO , the fight was probably even and Groves was starting to get on top.
For the record , I'm not a fan of DeGale, but I had him beating Groves, maybe by a round. Like Batman said, not a robbery.
I reckon DeGale will avoid Groves like the plague, despite the fact that Groves is damaged goods.
Having said that, is Groves emotionally shot?

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I have no issue with Groves. But felt he got a soft win vs. DeGale and he was rushed into the Froch fight, which is something they should have told him not to do.

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I don't think he was rushed into the Froch fight , I think he was begging for it because he could genuinely see flaws in Froch that he could expose. And let's be fair, in the 1st fight he did. It never went his way, but nobody could say he was outclassed.
There was almost a touch of the Rocky v Drago about it. Booed going in and cheered going out.
To me, that just showed a bit of ignorance from the British fight fans.

DeGale, apart from having improved loads, is mentally much stronger than when they last fought. He was a cocky arrogant prick which backfired on him. They (DeGale and Jimmy Mac) took the piss in the build up and got out thought by Adam Booth.

DeGale wipes the floor with him in the rematch.

Yeah agree that Degale is a much improved fighter now and should dispose of Groves quite handily. Part of me thinks that now Degale holds all the bargaining power he might say screw Groves. Groves really messed up by losing that last title match against Jack. Had he a title a unification match in the UK with Degale would have been massive!

I had DeGale winning the first fight, it was his own fault he was lazy in the last four rounds, he's a donut at times he goes to sleep in his fights , but Groves is looking a bit shopworn DeGale for the win may even stop George this time round.

De Gale probably wants to get Froch out of retirement as his first choice but Groves would be second as he brings in a lot of fans. I think they hate each other too much to want to fight one another.

Let sleeping dogs lay where they be. I think it would be a foolish move and possibly a bad one because he'd be doing it for the wrong reasons. That is like giving Groves 2 rounds and a mental edge right out of the gate. Groves needs to earn it now. In this market, high risk low reward.

Only if DeGale REALLY wants it would I suggest it. But I feel that he won't go for it... doesn't need to now that we think about it.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Only if DeGale REALLY wants it would I suggest it. But I feel that he won't go for it... doesn't need to now that we think about it.

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Groves has taken his 0, so he does need to eventually correct that wrong should Groves still be in the picture.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Only if DeGale REALLY wants it would I suggest it. But I feel that he won't go for it... doesn't need to now that we think about it.

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Groves has taken his 0, so he does need to eventually correct that wrong should Groves still be in the picture.

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I was thinking the same thing. But Groves may need to come up a bit more to make it even worth analytical wile.

I never thought Groves was world class, so his team did exactly the right thing by rushing him into the two Froch fights - so he got found out for a huge purse rather than losing to a fringe contender down the line.

I must admit I'm not that impressed with DeGale either. Notwithstanding his image, he is a good technician, strong and fit guy ..... But he can't punch without both his feet being planted which makes him predictable and also results in him getting dragged into wars that he doesn't need to, and to take punishment that he doesn't need to.

degale groves would sell well now

it might have been better if groves had have won a title but it would still do alright

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I never thought Groves was world class, so his team did exactly the right thing by rushing him into the two Froch fights - so he got found out for a huge purse rather than losing to a fringe contender down the line.

I must admit I'm not that impressed with DeGale either. Notwithstanding his image, he is a good technician, strong and fit guy ..... But he can't punch without both his feet being planted which makes him predictable and also results in him getting dragged into wars that he doesn't need to, and to take punishment that he doesn't need to.

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Groves was a whisker away from winning a world title twice and one of those was against a top class established world champion, so id say that more than proves groves is world class

james degale is a legitimate world champion, and has beaten some very good fighters, particularly recently

Eh i am kinda over Groves the rematch with Froch kinda put him in a category that will pretty much be a ok fighter who had his moments. I still looking for the next big thing at that weight class was Ward but he then he just did not want to fight for ever and became eh.

he's a bit better than ok isn't he?

Groves v Fielding who wins?