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Chisora certainly has more chance against a "non-puncher" plodder like himself than he would against AJ. He's looked borderline shot since getting bashed up twice by Haye.
I'd rather see him fight Dillian Whyte after they slagged the shit out of each other at the weekend.
is pulev a non puncher plodder?
and yes id rather see him against whyte
Closer to a non-puncher plodder than an explosive chinning merchant.
I think Whyte would duff Chisora up, aparrently he already has in sparring.
If Pulev has anything left, he should dispose of Chisora quite easily. I really am amazed at how Chisora still gets big money fights. He's been shot for a long time and he's lost to every decent fighter he's fought.
I think its the fact that boxing needs those type of gatekeepers
and he has given Vitali all he can handle and beaten Helanius
hes still a fighter that looks good on a record
He gave vitali a very close fight. Dare I say I scored at a draw when I watched it live.Quote:
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He's done fuck all since though.
yep he's living off those two fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkHe gave vitali a very close fight. Dare I say I scored at a draw when I watched it live.Quote:
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He's done fuck all since though.
who knows, if he beat pulev then he will make a bit of money on that back of that too
We want Chisora to get over. We so want badly for him to get over. He nearly was when he beat Malik Scott. But he lost it when he fought Fury the second time.....Quote:
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WarrenQuote:
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He split with Warren last year. Hes with Sauerland.Quote:
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Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
I think Pulev would be too much, although he didn't look great last time out.
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Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
Hmmm, 1.) he didn't make Fury work very hard. His corner were begging him to throw some punches.
2.) let's focus on who he has actually BEAT. Bearing in mind , if anybody says Malik Scott, Scott won every round and the ref counted him out when he was up.
you have to say he beat heleniusQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHmmm, 1.) he didn't make Fury work very hard. His corner were begging him to throw some punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe split with Warren last year. Hes with Sauerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWarrenQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
2.) let's focus on who he has actually BEAT. Bearing in mind , if anybody says Malik Scott, Scott won every round and the ref counted him out when he was up.
I can say that, but it Doesn't say that on his record. It says he beat Malik Scott, should we take that one off?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you have to say he beat heleniusQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHmmm, 1.) he didn't make Fury work very hard. His corner were begging him to throw some punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe split with Warren last year. Hes with Sauerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWarrenQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
2.) let's focus on who he has actually BEAT. Bearing in mind , if anybody says Malik Scott, Scott won every round and the ref counted him out when he was up.
Big deal.
You dont have to be the cream of the crop to have a great career and be in exciting fights or a big name and earn good money.
What ever it is you do for a living I bet your not in the top ten best in the world at it but I bet you dont feel bad about your employer paying you and keeping your mortgage paid?;D
The heavyweight division needs the Chisoras and Arreolas as name opponents. They may never win a world title but they will make interesting fights. Ortiz needs an opponent, hes got Thompson, Chisora wouldnt be any worse. Chisora wouldnt be any worse than any of Wilders defences either.
Your right, Fury is about the only one he didnt really make work;) Who will?;D
Hey, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with him fighting as a pro boxer, that's his choice, good luck to him, and not everyone can be no.1 , you're right about that, although about nothing as far as my work situation and paying the mortgage etc. is concerned. I pay people so they can pay their Mortgages.
Anyway, enough of that, my point is that he's is currently 6th or 7th best in Britain, yet he's fighting for a European title and making decent money ahead of the Likes of Dyllian Whyte and Hughie Fury etc. I don't believe that to be fair. And that's just people in Britain who should be ahead of him. I'm sure there are others in Europe more worthy.
After the Fury fight, his Trainer and Promoter wanted him to retire because they care about him. That's why he's with Sauerland .
Charles couldnt stand that Fury beat Chisora so easy. I think he feels it makes him look a shit trainer and took it personally. He probably feels let down by Chisora. He may have been a bit deluded that Dereck could make him a trainer of a world champion and hes had a sulk.
Hes still a capable fighter. Losing to the best heavyweight in the world doesnt suddenly make you shot.
Warren probably also got fucked off necause hes not going to make any big returns from him.
Sauerland are happy to be the second hand car salesman and will put him in some fights that will make a bit of money. After what happened with Groves I think they will match him well.
Hes capable of beating Pulev amd if he does he instantly becomes a viable name title challenger for Wilder or Martin and as bad as you think Chisora is he has a chance with them too.
Even if he lost after putting up a good show there is still other miney fights for him against Joshua Whyte.
He's lost to Fury and Haye, he would lose to Whyte, Hughie ,AJ And David Price! Yes, I said it DAVID PRICE. Don't agree with what you said about Warren and Don Charles, but hey ho, I couldn't give a fuck really because I wouldn't pay 2 pence to watch him. More fool anyone who does, but good luck to him.
Thing is chisora could be the 6th or 7th best HW in Britain and just off that opinion it sounds harsh that one of the others aren't getting a European title fight but when you think about it
Fury - world champ
AJ - is he ready for a fight with pulev?
price - not ready for a fight with pulev or with anyone
Hughie - maybe deserves it more than chiz but Hughie is really under promoted, I struggle to find and watch any of his fights live so it doesn't surprise me chiz has got the fight before him
Whyte - just lost to AJ
Haye - only just come back
Does anyone realistically have Haye above Chisora at the moment based on DeMori!?:pQuote:
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doesn't matter really, it was just an objective viewQuote:
Originally Posted by rossDoes anyone realistically have Haye above Chisora at the moment based on DeMori!?:pQuote:
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I wouldn't put Whyte, Hughie or Price above him on fairness
I agree with primo tho that chiz would probably lose to all on that list
Yeah, Why not? after all, De Mori was rated higher than any of the unknown stiffs that Chisora has bowled over recently. And before you say "De Mori is Shit", what about the guy Chisora bowled over in 29 seconds with a phantom punch?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDoes anyone realistically have Haye above Chisora at the moment based on DeMori!?:pQuote:
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[QUOTE=erics44;1373691][QUOTE=ross;1373690]I don't agree with all of that , but Those are all fair points. My point is not so much about whether those guys should be fighting for the European title, but more that Chisora SHOULD'NT be.Quote:
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and you admitted yourself , you reckon all of them beat Chisora , which kind of proves my point. ;)
You can't ignore what Haye has done in the past. He banged Chisora spark out. If they fought again now he'd be a big favourite to bang him spark out again.
Is there currently 10 better heavyweights in the world than Haye let alone Britain? Looking at The Ring top 10 i'd back Haye to chin most of them.
Lost to Wladimir and only fought Chisora and De Mori since in nearly 5 years.Quote:
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De Mori isnt really worth mentioning he was such a rubbish opponent to try and base anything off. Bruno could make his comeback against De Mori and would also finish him in the first hes that poor.
I think Chisora is total garbage , however De Mori is a total pile of steaming horse shit.
Chisora has lost officially to every good fighter he has fought , and the only reason De Mori has a decent record on paper is he found lots of fighters crapper than him.
De Mori was pony but not every top heavyweight would have ironed him in one round. Beat him yes, but the reason Haye gets so much attention is that he knocks bods spark out, he doesn't bore everyone to death plodding around with plodders.
Haye-vs-any current top heavyweight is a massive fight. You can argue he doesn't deserve it but that's irrelevant in boxing. Putting bums on seats will always override what's "fair." Just look at the bookies odds for Haye against all the current faces - basically all 50/50 fights.
Didn't know he'd switched to sauerland, good move for him. Sland now has him and Price, I think that shows they are all in a gamble to get alphabet titles in a piss poor heavyweight decade to come. Tyson needs to be cute to make some money out of this situation.Quote:
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Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
Tyson just needs to stay in shape. None of the current heavies have the all in package to beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomDidn't know he'd switched to sauerland, good move for him. Sland now has him and Price, I think that shows they are all in a gamble to get alphabet titles in a piss poor heavyweight decade to come. Tyson needs to be cute to make some money out of this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe split with Warren last year. Hes with Sauerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWarrenQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
If fury took that attitude he wouldn't be champ for longQuote:
Originally Posted by rossTyson just needs to stay in shape. None of the current heavies have the all in package to beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomDidn't know he'd switched to sauerland, good move for him. Sland now has him and Price, I think that shows they are all in a gamble to get alphabet titles in a piss poor heavyweight decade to come. Tyson needs to be cute to make some money out of this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe split with Warren last year. Hes with Sauerland.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomWarrenQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Why would anyone be amazed he gets big fights? Hes a quality opponent and makes everyone work. He has only lost to world class fighters.
The attitude pf staying in shape!?
What!?
As long as aklitschko goes through with the fight Tyson has an awesome line up to make money this year.
He has Klitschko. Wilder and Martin will probably unify as apparently Wilder would be able to do that over his mandatory. Then Tyson would take on one of those two. Then he either has Povetkin or Joshua if hes ready or still unbeaten by then.
Tyson has the world at his feet right now.
no the attitude that he just needs to stay in shape to win
theres lots of elements he needs to stay HW champ
like, a game plan
and sparring practice
and mental toughness
know what I mean?
He has all that in abundance. I dont know if you watched his last fight?;DQuote:
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The only thing that will stop him remaining dominant is getting bored and not training.
Hes already changed his attitude and is in good shape still.
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Originally Posted by rossHe has all that in abundance. I dont know if you watched his last fight?;DQuote:
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The only thing that will stop him remaining dominant is getting bored and not training.
Hes already changed his attitude and is in good shape still.
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if you say he doesn't need to pay attention to anything else but keeping fit then you must be right ;D
Thats not what I said at all.
Tyson doesnt have an amateur camp.
He has good hard sparring against unbeaten young fighters wanting to prove themselves not tired old journeymen happy to just play along. (Jason Gavern begged Peter to use him as sparring. They payed for him to come over and even put him up and he got in lasted 30 seconds jumped out and bitched about how hard the sparring was! Guess who took him stright on and covered Peters costs, Hearn for Joshua).
Peter Furys tactics were brilliant! When have you ever seen Wladimir Klitschko look so tentative before? Mental toughness? Are you kidding me!? Is there another sportsman let alone fighter in the world who has the kind of confidence Tyson has? He was the one dictating things in Germany against the most dangerous fighter on the planet, singing to Wlad in the media build up, rapping and dancing just before the fight!
Like I said the only thing thats going to let him down now is himself by not training hard enough or focussing.
Fuck me, that's a bit of a long boring essay isn't it? 😄😎Quote:
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Agree with the sentence about Peter Fury. All the rest is the usual speculative drivel as far as I can see. 😂
Theres my little rabbid stalker. Been itching to see me post;D
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all that's good and well but you said he just needs to stay in shape, none of the other fighters have a big enough package (or something like that)
which is a little over confident
i'm sure Tyson doesn't see it that way mind
Ask him! You already know what answer youll get!Quote:
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all that's good and well but you said he just needs to stay in shape, none of the other fighters have a big enough package (or something like that)
which is a little over confident
i'm sure Tyson doesn't see it that way mind
Its hilarious how everybody agreed before hamd that Wladimir was easily the best in the division and is leagues above everyone. Now Tyson has proven he is even better no one wants to accept that and they are already praying someone out there can knock him off.
Its not going to happen any time soon;)