Just a quick question. Back when Khan was a belt holder at 140 and even 135 was he ever the recognised top guy in the division and if he wasn't who was?
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Just a quick question. Back when Khan was a belt holder at 140 and even 135 was he ever the recognised top guy in the division and if he wasn't who was?
I think he was at one point , but not sure tbh
Never ever! at 135 he never even won a World title! he got knocked cold by Prescott and went up in weight. Prescott was nowhere near the top of that pile, you had Casamayor, Nate Campbell and a whole load of Diaz's ahead of him.
so he goes up in weight , beats NOBODY before getting a shot at the weakest champion out there (Kotelnik) . Frank Warren had produced a miracle to get Khan from being KO'd inside a minute by Prescott to World Champ at the next weight up. Warren's reward was to get fucked off out of it by Khan. (Karma some might say.)
so he becomes a champion at 140, but you still had Manny Pac, Hatton and Bradley that were up there then , all rated higher than him .
The guy is a MYTH!
No. Bradley was recognized as the top 140 guy when khan was there. He ducked Bradley so he never became the top guy. Then he was knocked out by Garcia who then became the top guy when Bradley moved up. At 135, he was still up and coming and got knocked out by Prescott.
I've only been really impressed by him in one fight and that was the maidana fight. I thought he showed heart and great skill. He has never showed that again.
100% spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Probably not. He could have been if he fought certain guys or fights went differently, but he didn't and he was knocked out before he really built up the momentum, at both weights. I think realistically he has/had a very good style to fight Bradley, but he's so vulnerable that you can't really give him credit for anything until the fights happen lol.
I didn't realithe he wath a lethbian ath well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
We are honoured! I didn't realise Mr. Eubank Sr. Was a member of the forum. Nice to make your acquaintance "English". ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomI didn't realithe he wath a lethbian ath well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Bradley was the man at 140lb which is why Khan was chasing him. Bradley went up to take on Manny and khan then lost to Garcia. So no.
Khan didn't "duck" Bradley at 140, Bradley turned down a career high payday.
Anyone that thinks Khan doesn't have an impressive record, especially at 140, is setting the bar extremely high.
Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Zab, Peterson (debatable loss). That's some seriously impressive world-class form in my book.
Khan did not duck Bradley but was chasing Tim because he was the man at the weight after Bradley had beaten Devon Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I may be mistaken but Im pretty sure Bradley ducked Khan? Well at lest chose to fight Alexander ahead of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera100% spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Kotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.
Khan believes in himself he was No1 he still thinks he is the No1 now, that glass jaw is his down fall he is openQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
to hooks weather it be left or right, he is a very good boxer he is a bit like a magnificent house with NO
front door, open to the elements.;)
Khan is arguably the most ducked fighter on the planet. Had to jump up 2 weight classes to get a credible opponent.
You are mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI may be mistaken but Im pretty sure Bradley ducked Khan? Well at lest chose to fight Alexander ahead of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera100% spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I was being modest. Im never mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI may be mistaken but Im pretty sure Bradley ducked Khan? Well at lest chose to fight Alexander ahead of himQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera100% spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Modestly mistaken
Well, as I said, some fans obviously set the bar far higher than me. Only a seriously good world-class fighter would beat that mob (IMO).Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.
I think Khan beat Peterson, so it's no different than you reasoning that he was lucky to get through the 10th round against Maidana. And Kotelnik was underrated because he wasn't American.
The only difference is that I'm giving Khan the Maidana fight, and I'm saying it's his best ever performance.
I'm not disputing it as a debatable loss.
He beat Maidana , he lost to Peterson. And like I said before, even if he had scraped through against Petertson (which I don't think he did btw.), it couldn't have been seen as a great or even good performance.
Fair enough.
I don't think a close loss to Peterson is bad form though (even though he didn't lose :D)
Ha ha. No worries. I'm just going on what we knew at the time. With the benefit of hindsight , I would agree about Peterson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
No he was never the top of anything all the talent in the world but his chin is shit and he makes dumb moves in the ring at times. In the end that what makes it fun got a guy that can punch who is fast and has one worst chins ever for a champ just makes for a fun fight regardless.
The Alexander win is the best by a mile. The performance was excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.
If he had beaten Alexander before Bradley did then that would have meant he was the man at 140lb.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoThe Alexander win is the best by a mile. The performance was excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.
When he beat Maidana , it was a World title fight between 2 of the top 5 or 6 in that division at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoThe Alexander win is the best by a mile. The performance was excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKotelnik - easiest World champion to beat at the time- FACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pauli - Decent fighter, haven't they all beaten Pauli though?
Maidana - Best win of Khan's career by a mile. Nearly managed to lose it in the 10th though.
Peterson- a loss is a loss! Are we gonna start counting "debatable losses" now are we? Besides, it's not the fact he lost, it's the fact he went into the fight thinking it was an easy fight and talking of upcoming bouts after he's beat Peterson. So even if he scraped a win, it would be classed as a disappointing performance because it was supposed to be so easy.
He's shit , and that's that.
When he beat Alexander, Alexander had already reached his limit and had been exposed , for want of a better word. It was a fight where both fighters were probably struggling to be in the top 10 of that division at the time. Yes , Khan boxed Alexander's ears off, but Alexander was shite!
Have to agree with Primo as Devon had just lost to Porter.
Amir Khan says compulsory drug testing must be introduced in boxing in an attempt to clean up the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHa ha. No worries. I'm just going on what we knew at the time. With the benefit of hindsight , I would agree about Peterson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The British former light-welterweight world champion lost his WBA and IBF belts to Lamont Peterson in December but the Washington fighter has recently failed a drug test.
Khan, 25, told BBC Radio 5 live that taking on Peterson had been "like fighting two people".
"All fighters should be tested before and after a fight," he added.
"It will make the sport cleaner and that's what we need."
The Bolton-based fighter had been due to meet Peterson in a rematch of their controversial December bout on Saturday.
But the fight was cancelled after Peterson tested positive for synthetic testosterone.
Peterson says he took the testosterone for medical reasons and has rejected calls from Khan to surrender his WBA and IBF belts.
But Khan said: "I think he knows deep down he did wrong. It's a shame the fight didn't happen. I trained out of my skin and wanted to win those titles back."
Peterson has apologised for the fight being cancelled but Khan said: "It will take more than an apology for what happened last December, my life was at risk. One punch can change a fighter's life.
"The way he kept coming forward after he was put down twice in the first round, the way he was recovering, I knew this was not the same Lamont Peterson I had been watching in videos, this guy was totally different.
"It was like fighting two people in the ring. I was hurting him and putting him down and he was still coming forward.
"I have fought big punchers like Marcos Maidana and other names out there and he seemed to punch harder, be a lot fitter than them. It just shows that performance enhancing drugs do make a difference and I saw the difference.
"He should be punished for what he did."
Khan said he now wanted the independent Voluntary Anti-Doping Association to be involved before and after all his future fights and hoped more fighters would follow suit.