Gervonta Davis. Next star or next also ran?

Granted its very early at just 15-0 but the push and exposure this kid is receiving is massive. Mayweather himself is anointing him "the next me" and has tucked him firmly under his wing with promotion. Have seen him a few times now and I do not see the Mayweather style at all but more a seek and destroy southpaw with tremendous reflex. They have stepped up comp ever so slightly last few fights and he doesn't look impossible to hit and comes wide at times. On the other hand a top notch finisher and one punch hitter with either hand. Style wise a little bit Gamboa or maybe early Judah and I hope we haven't just cursed the guy ;D. Also in contrast to an early Mayweather he is a humble guy with that personality 'pop' and has a sense of self awareness about him. I'm all in favor of matching a guy tough and hope they do so next out. A steady build and steer clear of trying to microwave rush him for the sake of early stardom and championship. That defense has holes but you can see the personality and underlying natural talent to mature and carry him along way. We have all seen 101 "next this or that" types come and go, guys rushed to market with stars in there eyes only to fall flat and never fully develop...Broner was on last nights card as well :-X.. so we'll see what comes of it but starting to like this guy!

His fight before last night right here. The awkward torque he gets on the finisher pretty brutal! https://youtu.be/1j6WDZ0r_Lo

Wow had that wrist bent downward any further with that punch he may have broken it. I have to say that its one of the first times that Tarver made any sense. I thought his criticism was bang on from getting caught with the uppercuts, to having no jab and Floyd getting in the way of his corner. If he got up and stood in front of me like he did others I'd tell him to sit the F down and if he said something like don't you know who I am I'd say yes now sit the F down so I can watch the fight I paid for and not the back of that polyester suit.

I have a natural hate for anyone associated with Floyd but Davis is talented and good. Wait and see how he does with better tests.

i'm not sold on him yet, i'd say we can judge once he steps up. He didn't have a easy time with his opponent. Davis did what he was supposed to do with the type of figher he was against.

His last fight was the first one I had seen of him and I wasn't impressed really at all. He had decent reflexes but he didn't have great power and he lunged in a lot. His opponent seemed to have a lot of good moments in the fight. Maybe I have to watch more of him but based off of that one fight, nothing tells me he will be a star of any sort.

Have only watched a couple of bits of the fight but he doesn't have much of a jab, he's more comfortable throwing left hand leads than the jab with any precision. He's definitely got ability though but hey, who knows. Could be another Kermit Cintron. See what happens when he moves up in class.

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His last fight was the first one I had seen of him and I wasn't impressed really at all. He had decent reflexes but he didn't have great power and he lunged in a lot. His opponent seemed to have a lot of good moments in the fight. Maybe I have to watch more of him but based off of that one fight, nothing tells me he will be a star of any sort.

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His reflex is solid yeh, exactly on the lunging and think it offsets what has looked to be legit pop in both hands. If he doesn't sure up the jab and combinations he looks like a guy who could collect a lot of dumb punches jumping in overtime.

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Granted its very early at just 15-0 but the push and exposure this kid is receiving is massive. Mayweather himself is anointing him "the next me" and has tucked him firmly under his wing with promotion. Have seen him a few times now and I do not see the Mayweather style at all but more a seek and destroy southpaw with tremendous reflex. They have stepped up comp ever so slightly last few fights and he doesn't look impossible to hit and comes wide at times. On the other hand a top notch finisher and one punch hitter with either hand. Style wise a little bit Gamboa or maybe early Judah and I hope we haven't just cursed the guy ;D. Also in contrast to an early Mayweather he is a humble guy with that personality 'pop' and has a sense of self awareness about him. I'm all in favor of matching a guy tough and hope they do so next out. A steady build and steer clear of trying to microwave rush him for the sake of early stardom and championship. That defense has holes but you can see the personality and underlying natural talent to mature and carry him along way. We have all seen 101 "next this or that" types come and go, guys rushed to market with stars in there eyes only to fall flat and never fully develop...Broner was on last nights card as well :-X.. so we'll see what comes of it but starting to like this guy!

His fight before last night right here. The awkward torque he gets on the finisher pretty brutal! https://youtu.be/1j6WDZ0r_Lo

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Never heard of him before now. So I youtubed him. He has obvious talent. Hard to judge though this early. He looks small though, with quite a thick, stocky build, so not sure how far he will be able to go up in weight. Totally different fighter to Mayweather though. A lot more aggressive, takes a lot more chances. He's just 21 and already racked of 15 straight wins. I can see him getting to 25-0 and then challenging for a belt. He's good fighter to have under the Mayweather banner, with Davis and Errol Spence in Mayweathers stable looks like we will be seeing the Mayweather name for many years to come.

Well we know more about him now. His star is rising and his beat-down of Pedraza opened many eyes. Liam Walsh has been mentioned as a potential next opponent. I have been impressed with Walsh and I think he could cause a few issues. Davis lives up to that 'Tank' nickname tho. Damn.

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I have a natural hate for anyone associated with Floyd but Davis is talented and good. Wait and see how he does with better tests.

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Hate is a strong word.

How can you hate greatness?
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https://youtu.be/OGrQaJm-2Ow

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Granted its very early at just 15-0 but the push and exposure this kid is receiving is massive. Mayweather himself is anointing him "the next me" and has tucked him firmly under his wing with promotion. Have seen him a few times now and I do not see the Mayweather style at all but more a seek and destroy southpaw with tremendous reflex. They have stepped up comp ever so slightly last few fights and he doesn't look impossible to hit and comes wide at times. On the other hand a top notch finisher and one punch hitter with either hand. Style wise a little bit Gamboa or maybe early Judah and I hope we haven't just cursed the guy ;D. Also in contrast to an early Mayweather he is a humble guy with that personality 'pop' and has a sense of self awareness about him. I'm all in favor of matching a guy tough and hope they do so next out. A steady build and steer clear of trying to microwave rush him for the sake of early stardom and championship. That defense has holes but you can see the personality and underlying natural talent to mature and carry him along way. We have all seen 101 "next this or that" types come and go, guys rushed to market with stars in there eyes only to fall flat and never fully develop...Broner was on last nights card as well :-X.. so we'll see what comes of it but starting to like this guy!

His fight before last night right here. The awkward torque he gets on the finisher pretty brutal! https://youtu.be/1j6WDZ0r_Lo

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Never heard of him before now. So I youtubed him. He has obvious talent. Hard to judge though this early. He looks small though, with quite a thick, stocky build, so not sure how far he will be able to go up in weight. Totally different fighter to Mayweather though. A lot more aggressive, takes a lot more chances. He's just 21 and already racked of 15 straight wins. I can see him getting to 25-0 and then challenging for a belt. He's good fighter to have under the Mayweather banner, with Davis and Errol Spence in Mayweathers stable looks like we will be seeing the Mayweather name for many years to come.

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He does look really small. I think he's going to struggle when he moves up in weight. Officially he's five six. He looks about five four.

According to Ranallo, Al and Jim Grey the questions finally been answered ;D. Had to. For whatever the flaws career trajectory and competition wise, the mans improved just a bit.

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According to Ranallo, Al and Jim Grey the questions finally been answered ;D. Had to. For whatever the flaws career trajectory and competition wise, the mans improved just a bit.

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The commentary was way over the top and nauseating. Davis has improved and has some huge fights in front of him but somehow I think he will end up like Broner. He should get rid of "hanger on's" like Floyd.

The man just came out of a thrilling win and this is how you treat a warrior...

Hey... no hate over here for Gervonta. As far as I'm concerned he did boxing a favor by putting an emphatic lid on all this nonsense about PauperRy being the next face of boxing... when all the kid has done is amass a gargantuan following on Instagram and Tik Tok. For that I'm grateful. Not only that... but it was by KO.

But is Gervonta now "the next face of boxing"? Hell no! Just like Ryan wouldn't have been had he somehow beaten Tank. This is all part of the "I want it now" generation, which wants to take shortcuts to the top... rather than grind it out like the warriors of old used to do. Tank DOES need to call out the winner of Haney-Loma... and continue trying to ascend beyond that. Otherwise he's just an exciting boxing facade.

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According to Ranallo, Al and Jim Grey the questions finally been answered ;D. Had to. For whatever the flaws career trajectory and competition wise, the mans improved just a bit.

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The commentary was way over the top and nauseating. Davis has improved and has some huge fights in front of him but somehow I think he will end up like Broner. He should get rid of "hanger on's" like Floyd.

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and lay off eating $70 bucks worth of sugar and candy while camp....

Shakur Stevenson told TMZ: “I felt Tank looked sharp, he looked real sharp, he boxed real good.

“I think Ryan was like pre-school, Ryan wasn’t on that top level.

“When they speak about the ‘Four Kings’, all of the ‘Four Kings’ were special, great fighters and I don’t think Ryan was on that kind of level, I don’t think Ryan was that good.

“I ain’t taking no credit away from Tank, Tank did what he was supposed to do, but Ryan just wasn’t that.”

Asked if he wants to face Davis, Stevenson said: “I would love that fight.

“I think that’s the biggest and best fight in the sport of boxing.

“You’ve got special fighters that come around. You got like a Michael Jordan that came around in his era. Then you got a LeBron James that came around in his era.

“But they weren’t in the same era so we never got to see them go against each other.

“With me and Tank, you’ve got two special fighters that have been special our whole careers and our whole lives.

“When it comes down to it, it’s going to be the biggest and best fight in boxing.

“The people who really know boxing going to tell you that’s the big fight and I agree with them. I think that that’s the biggest fight.”

https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100

Sadly though, when asked to give a realistic timeframe for the fight to happen, Stevenson admitted he is not massively confident that it will materialise in the very near future.

“I’m ready right now, I’m ready right now,” he insisted, “But I think it’s depending on what he wants to do. He’s the cash cow, he’s the A-side.

“He can pick and choose right now. He’s at that point.

“He’s like at the Floyd Mayweather point where he can go, ‘I’ll fight him, I’ll fight him, but I’ll wait to fight him.’

“He’s got that type of leverage right now so it’s all up to him. Nothing but respect to what he just did, I respect it.”

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...yd-mayweather/

See now... I can GET behind a Shakur vs Tank fight. THAT would merit all the hype it gets. See... here's the difference between a fight like that, and what we just witnessed. Shakur has been fighting credible and dangerous opposition almost since Day One. AND... he's been doing it relatively quietly. He doesn't wear a damn crown on his head... he doesn't claim to be the next face of boxing. He just goes out there and does his job. He doesn't have a billion groupies on social media, fawning over everything he does. His resume is ten times better than the Pauper's resume.

So hell yeah I'd get behind a fight like that.

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See now... I can GET behind a Shakur vs Tank fight. THAT would merit all the hype it gets. See... here's the difference between a fight like that, and what we just witnessed. Shakur has been fighting credible and dangerous opposition almost since Day One. AND... he's been doing it relatively quietly. He doesn't wear a damn crown on his head... he doesn't claim to be the next face of boxing. He just goes out there and does his job. He doesn't have a billion groupies on social media, fawning over everything he does. His resume is ten times better than the Pauper's resume.

So hell yeah I'd get behind a fight like that.

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i think davis must like fighting these bigger guys because he can punch in between all those big wide punches he makes them throw. boxing has a sort of gravity, a kind of push and pull, and the way davis fights is to deliberately create a lot of pull and pull out those big wide punches to punch in between. he just has to sort of wait it out and let the effect manifest itself. ryan said he got bored, but, did he get bored, or did tank's effect kick in? that will be very, very hard to do to stevenson.

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See now... I can GET behind a Shakur vs Tank fight. THAT would merit all the hype it gets. See... here's the difference between a fight like that, and what we just witnessed. Shakur has been fighting credible and dangerous opposition almost since Day One. AND... he's been doing it relatively quietly. He doesn't wear a damn crown on his head... he doesn't claim to be the next face of boxing. He just goes out there and does his job. He doesn't have a billion groupies on social media, fawning over everything he does. His resume is ten times better than the Pauper's resume.

So hell yeah I'd get behind a fight like that.

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i think davis must like fighting these bigger guys because he can punch in between all those big wide punches he makes them throw. boxing has a sort of gravity, a kind of push and pull, and the way davis fights is to deliberately create a lot of pull and pull out those big wide punches to punch in between. he just has to sort of wait it out and let the effect manifest itself. ryan said he got bored, but, did he get bored, or did tank's effect kick in? that will be very, very hard to do to stevenson.

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Does Usyk do the same with the heavyweights he faces particularly AJ?

usyk is more stationary. tank moves and makes himself small and compact to get you lunging and reaching to hit him, and once he can get you doing that, he can explode into those big openings he pulled out of you. he fights a little bit like a sink drain moving around in the ring. but he doesn't punch a lot, because he wants you doing all the punching. and all of this combines into the feeling of impatience described by ryan garcia.

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See now... I can GET behind a Shakur vs Tank fight. THAT would merit all the hype it gets. See... here's the difference between a fight like that, and what we just witnessed. Shakur has been fighting credible and dangerous opposition almost since Day One. AND... he's been doing it relatively quietly. He doesn't wear a damn crown on his head... he doesn't claim to be the next face of boxing. He just goes out there and does his job. He doesn't have a billion groupies on social media, fawning over everything he does. His resume is ten times better than the Pauper's resume.

So hell yeah I'd get behind a fight like that.

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i think davis must like fighting these bigger guys because he can punch in between all those big wide punches he makes them throw. boxing has a sort of gravity, a kind of push and pull, and the way davis fights is to deliberately create a lot of pull and pull out those big wide punches to punch in between. he just has to sort of wait it out and let the effect manifest itself. ryan said he got bored, but, did he get bored, or did tank's effect kick in? that will be very, very hard to do to stevenson.

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Wait... Ryan said he got bored?? :vd:

Can't say I'd be surprised if he did... as this is the time when the excuses come flooding out. Why should Ryan be any different? ;)

Watching the sequence leading up to the first knockdown... I noticed how Davis ducked a few Ryan flurries that seemed to come one after the other. His boxing computer was taking that information all in... so that when the next flurry came (also, Ryan seemed bent on landing that check hook)... Davis was ready with the counter and it worked to perfection.

I would expect Davis vs Stevenson to be a much different fight. Stevenson's much too polished to fall into those traps.

the ring removed juan francisco estrada to make room for tank in their pound for pound

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Wait... Ryan said he got bored?? :vd:

Can't say I'd be surprised if he did... as this is the time when the excuses come flooding out. Why should Ryan be any different? ;)

Watching the sequence leading up to the first knockdown... I noticed how Davis ducked a few Ryan flurries that seemed to come one after the other. His boxing computer was taking that information all in... so that when the next flurry came (also, Ryan seemed bent on landing that check hook)... Davis was ready with the counter and it worked to perfection.

I would expect Davis vs Stevenson to be a much different fight. Stevenson's much too polished to fall into those traps.

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he says in the post fight press conference that he was getting bored and thats why he was running into shots. but i think davis was the reason for both of those things. a bigger man's punches will have bigger arcs and with davis being small like master pointed out about usyk they can insert their smaller quicker punches into those bigger wider gulfs - provided they can get them to load up on big shots like that. tank cant do that to stevenson. i dont think tank beats stevenson. i dont think stevenson loses a fight to anybody for a while.

GERVONTA DAVIS has been put on house arrest for 90 days for his involvement in a 2020 hit-and-run.

The boxing pound-for-pound superstar's career has been put on hold after his sentencing in Baltimore, Maryland.

Davis admitted to fleeing the scene of a car accident in 2020, after his Lamborghini Urus smashed into a car carrying four people - including a pregnant woman.

Davis was in the car with two other people when he ran a red light.

All three left the scene before officers could assist.

The fighter entered a guilty plea including a sentence of 60 days of unsupervised home detention.

One of the passengers in the other car, Jyair Smith, spoke out against the plea deal.

"I begged Mr. Gervonta Davis, I looked him in his eyes," Davis said.

"I said, ‘I have to get home to my daughter, I’m pregnant.’ He never once came over to help me."

The 90-day house arrest is a far cry from the maximum penalty of 50 months in prison if found guilty.

The new sentencing comes days after Davis secured a significant win over fighting superstar Ryan Garcia.

Davis destroyed Garcia in their hugely-anticipated catchweight clash with a seventh-round body shot KO.

The rousing defeat catapulted Davis' stardom, with many speculating he may be the new face of the sport.

Now, his sentence calls into question if he will be allowed into the boxing ring again.

The fight was allowed to take place after sentencing was delayed so the pair could finally clash.

In a separate incident, Broward County Police arrested Davis in February after he allegedly hit a woman using a "closed hand type slap."

The woman suffered a small cut on the inside of her mouth from the alleged contact, according to the incident report.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22267...-garcia-fight/

Gervonta Davis will no longer have to stand trial for the domestic violence battery charge against him from December as it has been dropped by prosecutors.

The 28-year-old American boxing star was arrested and jailed on December 27 in Broward County, Florida, charged with battery causing bodily harm in an altercation with his girlfriend Vanessa Posso - who is also the mother of his second daughter.

The police report alleged that Davis struck a woman on her head with a 'closed hand type slap'.

It added that this caused her to suffer 'a small abrasion to the inside of her upper lip'.

He was released from custody on $1,000 bail the next day and hit out in a statement in which he said: "I never put my hands on my child's mother nor my f***ing daughter. I'm not a monster."

Posso released a statement of her own soon afterwards, saying she made 'an unnecessary call to law enforcement' and wanted to put the situation to bed.

She then made an official legal request for the charge to be dropped which read: “Before me, the undersigned authority, personally appeared, who, after being by me duty sworn, stated the following under oath.

"I have been listed as the purported victim in the above-styled case against my boyfriend, Gervonta Davis, whom I am aware was arrested on December 27, 2022, for domestic battery by the Parkland Police Department.

"Without any hesitation or reservation whatsoever, I want to advise the Court and the State Attorney, that it is my absolute, complete, and full desire that this criminal prosecution be withdrawn and terminated, and that the Office of the State Attorney dismiss any and all such charges against Gervonta Davis.

“I do not want to testify in this case.

"If the charges are dismissed, and this prosecution terminated as I wish, I will not in any way hold the Office of the State Attorney, the Parkland Police Department, or anyone else responsible for dismissing the charges, for any actions of Gervonta Davis or for any other result that may occur following such dismissal.

"I am signing this affidavit of non-prosecution of my own free will, knowingly, freely, voluntarily and intelligently.

"I have not been tricked, coerced or threatened in any way in order to sign this and no promise of any nature has been made in exchange for my execution of this affidavit.”

The prosecution initially opted to proceed despite this, which is to be expected in a domestic violence case, however the charge has now been dropped several months later.

In February 2020, Gervonta was previously arrested and charged in Miami with two misdemeanour counts of simple battery domestic violence on the mother of his first daughter Andretta Smothers at a charity basketball game. A video of this went viral on social media at the time.

The court case relating to that incident dragged on for nearly three years before the prosecution abandoned the charges on December 13, 2022, just before this latest incident.

Davis is currently still serving a 90-day home detention sentence after avoiding jail time earlier this month relating to his hit-and-run crash which injured four people in November 2020.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...-case-dropped/

Steady rising. Fair to say that overall, he merits p4p status. Where well that's up for debate. But I was impressed with him last night. Once he smells the openings, he really does a good job at barging it with both hands working. And he's apparently "worked" big time to separate himself from Mayweather so that's always a plus. Didn't like the gladhanding and Ryan Garcia banter post fight and one of the last fights I want to see is that rematch for him. He hit 30 years old recently and Haney no longer in the conversation at 135 let alone 140 so let's hope he and Shakur look to unify. Shakur gives him problems. His number one William Zepeda would be a fantastic fight with the volume of Zepeda. Long time showdown with Loma being talked about also. For me I believe he is one of the hardest hitters in the sport today. And it's not dumb-bomb power, he is calculated and sets it up better now.

I don't think a fighter at 135 has had the level of competition that Davis could face since maybe when Whitaker was there. Lomachenko, Stevenson, Berinchyk, Zepeda. That would be quite the run.

Gervonta Davis said: "After next year I’m out of it."

He said: "Out of the sport, nah I can tell you my fights."

It was a remarkable moment, which saw the presenter left in a brief stunned silence before moving the conversation on.

The 30-year-old later elaborated on his comments, doubling down on claims his clash with Roach will be one of his final outings.

He added: “It’s over with after this year. This is trash, garbage. I’m out.

"I’m fed up with it. I don’t care about belts. I don’t care about none of that.

"I’m worried about getting my money and getting out of there. I’m just fed up. It’s not even boxing. It’s everything. I have kids, too.

"I just had a boy. I don’t want to have to keep fighting and getting punched and all that.

“I'll probably be building my real estate portfolio, just trying to separate myself from the limelight.

"I just wanna be able to make money and stay out the way, that's it. I want to be living without being seen.”

https://talksport.com/boxing/2351144...-boxing-video/

I hope I'm wrong, but something in Davis' character leads me to believe that this has "train wreck" written all over it. I wish him well. But this seems like a troubled young man who might very well encounter severe real-life issues once he's out of boxing.

tank knows there's not a lot of interest in his fight with lamont so he had to create some drama to get some buzz

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probably, it's just that before most of his fights there is some drama to drum up interest, like his fake beefs with floyd in previous fights. this fight it's talk of next year being his last in the sport

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Yeah. These fake retirements are getting to be like the boy that cried wolf. Sooner or later (if it hasn't happened already), people are going to turn an automatic deaf ear on any boxer (except the serious ones) that claims he's retiring.

One reporter said to Davis: "Inoue said that there's nothing that you have that can give him real problems and all you have is power."

Davis instantly looked shocked and asked: "He said that?"

The reporter insisted: "Inoue said that yeah."

At this point other reporters chimed in and disagreed, with none of them having seen this supposed quote.

Davis replied: "I don't wanna go crazy. You're trying to catch me."

noue clarified the situation himself.

He tweeted: "I never said anything like that."

This will not come as a surprise to most boxing fans who have watch Inoue's interviews previously as he seldom ever has anything negative to say about rival boxers.

https://talksport.com/boxing/2358613...ing-interview/

tank arrested again, i was going to put this in the wasted talent thread

Being a fan of Tank lately is quite the task. Again, he is way too good at career self-sabotage and unfortunately it sounds like sucker punching women. As a fight fan do hope the Roach rematch comes off, it was a good fight, but this won't be the last time Tank screws up ugly. The pattern is there and apparently that's his level.