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Who you got and how?
I like this fight because we don't know enough about either of them yet , Martin could fold like a s deck of cards , or land a powerful counter and its lights out for Joshua.
I'd prefer to sit on the fence, but if I had to pick a winner id say Joshua by ko3 .
I do think that Joshua might be a real talent, but to be fighting for a 'world' title after just 15 bouts (all quick knockouts) is a bit too soon for me. A fighter who wants to keep hold of his crown needs to be more of a finished article that Joshua currently is.
Granted, he is fighting for a diminished bauble, as everyone knows the real heavyweight champion is Tyson Fury .... and Charles Martin is probably one of the more anonymous and poorest 'world' titleholder so there has ever been.
We don't really know what Joshua's chin or stamina is like. However, when you get two big men who can both hit, then I dint see this going the distance.
Whoever lands properly first will stop the other guy, probably quite quickly. Joshua's amateur pedigree probably makes him more of an orthodox technician than Martin, so assuming he is not totally flummoxed by the southpaw stance, I take Joshua to finish it inside five.
It will be mighty interesting if it goes past seven though.
Joshua got wobbled when he fought the first close to half decent fighter he's fought and if the guy had been in shape Joshua could easily have lost. Haven't seen anything of Martin other than his last fight. The winner will still probably have a load of question marks over them going into their next fight.
From Martin jumping into this fight because it was his biggest possible payday I'm going to go with Joshua. But Martin will be fighting like he's got nothing to lose so anything could happen.
Joshua will win comprehensively.
Martin will try and take him out in the later rounds and hope AJ is another Bruno. I think Joshua is world class even if he is fighting for an alphabet title too early.
one minute AJ will win comprehensively, the next Martin is going after him in the late rounds, how does that work??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I reckon we'll see a lot more caution from AJ as he tries to work the Southpaw out. That'll take a few rounds, and I think AJ will stop him in about the 10th.
(don't be surprised to see it go the other way late on or even points if AJ is found wanting for Stamina .)
I think he is saying the plan will be to get AJ into the later rounds but AJ will finish it before it gets there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carneraone minute AJ will win comprehensively, the next Martin is going after him in the late rounds, how does that work??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I reckon we'll see a lot more caution from AJ as he tries to work the Southpaw out. That'll take a few rounds, and I think AJ will stop him in about the 10th.
(don't be surprised to see it go the other way late on or even points if AJ is found wanting for Stamina .)
That'show I read it anyway
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI think he is saying the plan will be to get AJ into the later rounds but AJ will finish it before it gets there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carneraone minute AJ will win comprehensively, the next Martin is going after him in the late rounds, how does that work??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I reckon we'll see a lot more caution from AJ as he tries to work the Southpaw out. That'll take a few rounds, and I think AJ will stop him in about the 10th.
(don't be surprised to see it go the other way late on or even points if AJ is found wanting for Stamina .)
That'show I read it anyway
The fact that I said that Martin hopes AJ is another Bruno should have been your clue. :)
Understood. So when do you think AJ will win? 7th , 9th, points ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI think he is saying the plan will be to get AJ into the later rounds but AJ will finish it before it gets there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carneraone minute AJ will win comprehensively, the next Martin is going after him in the late rounds, how does that work??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I reckon we'll see a lot more caution from AJ as he tries to work the Southpaw out. That'll take a few rounds, and I think AJ will stop him in about the 10th.
(don't be surprised to see it go the other way late on or even points if AJ is found wanting for Stamina .)
That'show I read it anyway
The fact that I said that Martin hopes AJ is another Bruno should have been your clue. :)
A J will knock him out early because of his big right hand which is taylor made to hurt southpaws. The left hook will also cause damage.
Anyone see the behind the ropes with Charles Martin?
Worth a watch if you get chance. He looks in better condition than when he won the title and fresher faced than we saw at the 1st press con.
Get the feeling this will not be a formality for Joshua on Saturday. Martin seems a lot smarter than I gave him credit for
So you fancy Martin's chances? I think Martin did not look that spectacular winning the title and will face his best opponent of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by MasterSo you fancy Martin's chances? I think Martin did not look that spectacular winning the title and will face his best opponent of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I'd say I am 55-45 in favour of Joshua. He should be slight favourite because of his pedigree but what's made me less confident the closer it's got is that Martin is a big unbeaten guy with a natural boxing brain, he will wait back with those long arms ready to strike. If Martin wins it won't be on points it will be by ko
I wondered why he'd come to England in his first defence and kinda thought he was cashing out & I wasn't really impressed with him against glazkov but my minds changed on that now. He's coming to win and when I see how Joshua was wobbled by a guy who couldn't even punch properly in whyte, you do have to worry about him abit. He kinda freezes up like Bruno because he is too muscle bound and he might have to come through similar scares on Saturday but hopefully he can ride out the storm again. Close fight
you hope AJ is another lb4lb great?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No just another musclebound, no stamina, weak chinned one punch wonder. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you hope AJ is another lb4lb great?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Who you think will become World HW Champ with an early KO?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo just another musclebound, no stamina, weak chinned one punch wonder. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you hope AJ is another lb4lb great?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Wow! Seems like any fucker can be a World Champ nowadays. Just find the next bodybuilder off the streets.
don't wind me up master, I can box a bit myself you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo just another musclebound, no stamina, weak chinned one punch wonder. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you hope AJ is another lb4lb great?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I lumped on Joshua round 1 at 9/1. Think its great value. Can see Martin folding after getting hit once. Guess he cant believe his luck. World title shot against an injured opponent for a vacant title and now a massive payday. Chap has hit the jackpot win or lose.
I really have no idea how good either is at world level - looking forward to finding out
I'll be putting a couple of bets on and may go for AJ in 2 and Martin in 9
Most fans are so dazzled by "world title" they get blinded about substance. Martin is the guy having the new experience, he's never witnessed anything close to this attention or size of fight. AJ has a far stronger resume already (unless you want to count Glazkov getting kneecapped as legit) .
If Martin beats AJ it's because he's much better than he looks.
The way Martin stands upright, if he makes it out of the 3rd round he has a granite chin.
I think that plays huge in this and is being overlooked. Martin has this another day at the office/rastafarian/tranquil/lets just do it thing going on. Maybe its as simple as you say in that he's just glad to be getting what I assume is 7 figures. Perhaps its good enough for him to help out his family members and get himself free and clear but I dont know his situation. Maybe he's solid and flush. I think thats who he is and its a breath of fresh air. Like Fury but a from a different angle. I'd wager both men are like they are in real life. No act. The trash talk Martin has recently started is an act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Joshua still plods around, cant jab a lick and imo still has a chin question. Martin has a heavy jab and seems to know which way to move to take advantage of being a southpaw to get that straight left in.
Sounds a bit like Audley Harrison LOL but its whats above the shoulders. I doubt Martin was sleeping in silk sheets at 20.
Dont think you will find that out this weekend either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
If 2 fighters who arent proven fight each other does the winner suddenly become world class?
I suppose not but given the state of the heavies, if one of them annihilates the other, I'd say we have a world class level fighter (because the level at the moment is currently shit !)
That is how I see it; the only thing I would say is my pick would still be Aj in three, just off the floor to do so (covering all the bases!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I do not think Matchroom would have made this if they were not as confident as they possibly could be that Joshua will win.
I read Martin is getting three and a half million dollars. That's not a big amount if you're confident of being able to defend against mandatories and then make a US fight against Wilder or somebody similar so they're either really confident they can beat Joshua (and they can't really be) or they're just cashing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI think that plays huge in this and is being overlooked. Martin has this another day at the office/rastafarian/tranquil/lets just do it thing going on. Maybe its as simple as you say in that he's just glad to be getting what I assume is 7 figures. Perhaps its good enough for him to help out his family members and get himself free and clear but I dont know his situation. Maybe he's solid and flush. I think thats who he is and its a breath of fresh air. Like Fury but a from a different angle. I'd wager both men are like they are in real life. No act. The trash talk Martin has recently started is an act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Joshua still plods around, cant jab a lick and imo still has a chin question. Martin has a heavy jab and seems to know which way to move to take advantage of being a southpaw to get that straight left in.
Sounds a bit like Audley Harrison LOL but its whats above the shoulders. I doubt Martin was sleeping in silk sheets at 20.
Anything could happen in this fight from an early KO for either guy to both guys knocking each other down. We could end up with more questions than answers over the winner than there are now. I wasn't really interested in this fight or the Pacquaio fight but now I am at least interested in this fight, the Manny fight is only interesting if Manny has slid so much he's beatable. I'm away at the weekend and am trying to make arrangements to watch the Joshua fight now.
$3.5 million is a lot of money.
I see a fighter with good power but absolutely no defence at all, low low hands and a chin stuck up in the air waiting to be hit.
AJ KO round 1, 2 maybe 3 ;)
Just watch this and tell me im wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCuuBWKejbk
@kirklandlaing , I heard 3.5 million Pounds not dollars, big difference and that AJ Would be getting close to £8million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Smash up,
You are correct but the same thing could be said for Joshua when he was going for the finish against whyte in round 2.
When there's nothing coming back at them guys tend to neglect their defence. And neither guy had faced anyone who punched back until their last fight when they beat an unbeaten opponent.
That’s a crazy amount of money for a guy considered to be a one hit wonder who got the tin via weird injury. Triple G just started making 7 figures so that’s crazy cash for this division given the circumstances. It could look like Tyson v Ferguson or Tyson v Tucker. What if he knocks Joshua out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI read Martin is getting three and a half million dollars. That's not a big amount if you're confident of being able to defend against mandatories and then make a US fight against Wilder or somebody similar so they're either really confident they can beat Joshua (and they can't really be) or they're just cashing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI think that plays huge in this and is being overlooked. Martin has this another day at the office/rastafarian/tranquil/lets just do it thing going on. Maybe its as simple as you say in that he's just glad to be getting what I assume is 7 figures. Perhaps its good enough for him to help out his family members and get himself free and clear but I dont know his situation. Maybe he's solid and flush. I think thats who he is and its a breath of fresh air. Like Fury but a from a different angle. I'd wager both men are like they are in real life. No act. The trash talk Martin has recently started is an act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Joshua still plods around, cant jab a lick and imo still has a chin question. Martin has a heavy jab and seems to know which way to move to take advantage of being a southpaw to get that straight left in.
Sounds a bit like Audley Harrison LOL but its whats above the shoulders. I doubt Martin was sleeping in silk sheets at 20.
Anything could happen in this fight from an early KO for either guy to both guys knocking each other down. We could end up with more questions than answers over the winner than there are now. I wasn't really interested in this fight or the Pacquaio fight but now I am at least interested in this fight, the Manny fight is only interesting if Manny has slid so much he's beatable. I'm away at the weekend and am trying to make arrangements to watch the Joshua fight now.
I think Bradley is going to beat Manny and it will be written off as Manny being junk now. According to Arum, Manny jacked his rotator against Oscar and is now 100% so no excuses. No random testing. No excuses.
I got your back for the fight. There will be tons of hook ups.;D
"According to Arum, Manny jacked his rotator against Oscar"
Do you mean Oscar or Floyd because Oscar was ages ago. :confused:
Hard to judge because Martin really could be anything. He could be a Larry Holmes but then again he could be a Larry Donald. He could be an exceptional world beater. There is next to no footage of him. Highlights packages of Martin mean nothing. Careful editing can make even average fighters look like world beaters. But he's unbeaten so we don't know and people need to start saying that, instead of being so definite about their prediction because we know nothing about Martin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
All I do know is that Martin is going to have to exceptional to win this. If I'm pushed I think Joshua knocks him out or stops him in the first or second round. But it's a fight to watch rather than predict.
Completely agree with everything you just said apart from the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Hard to judge because Martin really could be anything. He could be a Larry Holmes but then again he could be a Larry Donald. He could be an exceptional world beater. There is next to no footage of him. Highlights packages of Martin mean nothing. Careful editing can make even average fighters look like world beaters. But he's unbeaten so we don't know and people need to start saying that, instead of being so definite about their prediction because we know nothing about Martin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
All I do know is that Martin is going to have to exceptional to win this. If I'm pushed I think Joshua knocks him out or stops him in the first or second round. But it's a fight to watch rather than predict.
Don't get me wrong, I think Joshua will win, but the Southpaw thing makes me think he's gonna take a few rounds to work him out and stop or KO him a bit later.
LOL you seen the Dollar V Sterling race lately? It is not that much difference nowadays!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera@kirklandlaing , I heard 3.5 million Pounds not dollars, big difference and that AJ Would be getting close to £8million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ha ha true.😄 still $5m though. I wouldn't mind the difference. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidLOL you seen the Dollar V Sterling race lately? It is not that much difference nowadays!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera@kirklandlaing , I heard 3.5 million Pounds not dollars, big difference and that AJ Would be getting close to £8million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Since Oscar. Manny fought all those since Skelator I mean Oscar with the injury. That is what the entire camp says now. I mean that's an entire thread on its own so......Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I watched a bit of martin last night and I don't think it will last too long
Agreed AJ will land early and finish him.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Ive just watched that highlight reel and - assuming that a highlight reel shows a fighter's best moments - I shudder to think what George Foreman, Joe Frazier or Mike Tyson would have done to Martin.
I do admit that Martin looks a bit cumbersome and a bit of a plodder, but being a southpaw and a little bit wily, I just think it may take AJ a bit of time to work him out.
Obviously I could be wrong and he could do what Tyson did to Berbick.
(Btw that is not a knee jerk comparison of AJ to Mike Tyson, just the situation.)