Zab doesn't have power

I just don't see where all of this "Floyd's gonna be hurt by Zab's power shit comes from." Zab's powerful shots are those huge looping wild shots he throws. That's it. Hell, if anyone throws wildly, they'll have a lot of power. Floyd's punches are accurate, stinging, and deceptively poweful. Zab doesn't have other-worldly power, he's got good power, that's it. Baldo was walking through his punches. Remember Floyd's KO ratio is better than Zab's and he's still putting people away since he moved from his best weight, 135. Floyd consistently gets knockdowns and has people "out on their feet." And who is known for always being "out on his feet" more than anybody else? Zab Glass Jaw Judah. PBF gonna KO his ass, easy work.

Floyd will have a difficult time because Zab is almost as fast as him, and he's very naturally gifted.
I dont think Floyd would easily ko him because he dosen't punch that hard, its going to be a hard fight for both men.

Name one time Floyd had anyone out on their feet.

It took PBF about 9 rounds of accurate punching to put Corely down. It took Zab Judah 1 straight left hand. So who doesn't have power?

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Name one time Floyd had anyone out on their feet.

It took PBF about 9 rounds of accurate punching to put Corely down. It took Zab Judah 1 straight left hand. So who doesn't have power?

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Corrales, Sharmba, & Gatti. Gatti would have gone down in the next round had McGirt not saved him.

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Originally Posted by The_One77

Floyd will have a difficult time because Zab is almost as fast as him, and he's very naturally gifted.

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:coolclick: Very well said.

He didn't have Sharmba out on his feet, thats one straight right hand that Sharmba got up from and Sharmba took the rest of the head shots well so Mayweather had to go to his body and he had Gatti beat the hell up, btu not out on his feet. Zab had a few people out on their feet, Cory Spinks and Reggie Green to name a few. I guess I don't see how everyone is rating Mayweather's power all of a sudden when he's never been a one punch guy, neither has Judah but he has more pop then Mayweather in one shot then Mayweather does in 3

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

He didn't have Sharmba out on his feet, thats one straight right hand that Sharmba got up from and Sharmba took the rest of the head shots well so Mayweather had to go to his body and he had Gatti beat the hell up, btu not out on his feet. Zab had a few people out on their feet, Cory Spinks and Reggie Green to name a few. I guess I don't see how everyone is rating Mayweather's power all of a sudden when he's never been a one punch guy, neither has Judah but he has more pop then Mayweather in one shot then Mayweather does in 3

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Oh lordy...scuze me...I forgot the difference...off their feet & on their asses is good enough for me.

Now...let me say this...it's not the fact that I think that Floyd has POWER...it's his accumulative accuracy. Put that together with the fact that Judah can't take a shot...much less 20 or more in the same spot over 12 rounds...& he get's smoked & learns the magnificent art of counting lightbulbs from the canvas.

But naming a time that Floyd has fought a southpaw counterpuncher with speed and power. Will it matter if Zabs counters reach Floyd before his shots reach Zab?

i think we nd to stop the bitchin an hope for a great figght from two great fighters.
everyones talkin bout the zab brak dance but floyd aint hittin as hard as kostya thats not dissin floyd noone hits as hard as kostya at this weight period.

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

But naming a time that Floyd has fought a southpaw counterpuncher with speed and power. Will it matter if Zabs counters reach Floyd before his shots reach Zab?

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Honestly...yeah...I think that it'll matter...but I don't think that Floyd will get KO'd...I could be wrong though...stranger things.

Floyd has been clocked...several times & he's taken some hard shots from Castillo, Gatti, Corley, Corrales, & the list goes on & on...but I don't think that it's gonna be a blowout by any means...by either fighter.

I actually think that this will turn into a fight.

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Originally Posted by gally

i think we nd to stop the bitchin an hope for a great figght from two great fighters.
everyones talkin bout the zab brak dance but floyd aint hittin as hard as kostya thats not dissin floyd noone hits as hard as kostya at this weight period.

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Agreed...but you can bet that it'll be a great fight...we aint bitchin babe...we just talkin.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Gatti,

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Gatti hit Mayweather ??? where do you have this footage!!!

agreed im a bloke tho not a babe lol.

Neither one of them are 1 punch KO artists. Zab does have the better one punch power, but thats hardly a factor in this fight. Gatti has good 1 punch power too(I know Zabs faster..). Speed is the key here. Zab cant afford to blink cause PBFs punches are that fast. I dont know that PBFs chin is great but it is seemingly good enough, Zab really needs to focused on going the distance and decisioning PBF and not taking chances trying to KO all night. Zab needs to be even better than he was against the overratted Spinks. He really needs to be composed and focused and not fall apart

Zab has power. Floyd has power. Floyd just chooses to land more accurate shots that eventually take their toll. He systematically breaks fighters down. Zab tries to land bigger shots, therefore has the apperance that he has more one-punch power. I think both fighters have decent power, with Zab getting the slight edge.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Gatti,

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Gatti hit Mayweather ??? where do you have this footage!!!

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Gatti connected with like 17% of the punches that he threw...he hit Floyd.

Granted...Floyd hit him triple or more of that...but Gatti did drill him twice really hard & Floyd took it well.

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Gatti hit Mayweather ??? where do you have this footage!!!

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The 17% wasn't power shots...I'd have to watch again...but he only landed about a handful of those.

Mayweather outlanded Gatti at something like 165 or 170 punches to some crazy number like 39 or 40. I have it in my DRBR post that I saved...but I am not sure that is 100% right.

it was probably his jab that he used the first rond. aside from the knockdown he had a pretty good first round

Not to say I wouldn't want to see Zab losing. But someone posted a Mayweather interview earlier, and after reading that interview from Mayweather I just want to see him get his ass handed to him and humbled.

Name a time Zab has been focused for more then 5 minutes?


Like I said hes immature and needs to grow up, hes never fully focused I've seen 3 yr. old kids with longer attention spans then him.....I'm teelling you his dad carries and 'etch and sketch' to keep him busy in the dressing rooms during pre-fights.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Name a time Zab has been focused for more then 5 minutes?


Like I said hes immature and needs to grow up, hes never fully focused I've seen 3 yr. old kids with longer attention spans then him.....I'm teelling you his dad carries and 'etch and sketch' to keep him busy in the dressing rooms during pre-fights.

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The rematch with Spinks...I was greatly impressed with him then...& that's saying a lot because sometimes its hard to see past my hate for Judah...I really really do loathe him.

I think that he'll come 120% for this fight...but I just don't really rate him against Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Name a time Zab has been focused for more then 5 minutes?


Like I said hes immature and needs to grow up, hes never fully focused I've seen 3 yr. old kids with longer attention spans then him.....I'm teelling you his dad carries and 'etch and sketch' to keep him busy in the dressing rooms during pre-fights.

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Hit the nail on the head. I don't really rate Spinks that highly I mean he ran from Mayorga for most of the fight and I think most where expecting Zab to win the first time around too. cc.

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Not to say I wouldn't want to see Zab losing. But someone posted a Mayweather interview earlier, and after reading that interview from Mayweather I just want to see him get his ass handed to him and humbled.

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Yeah, I feel like that too,both are big mouth jackasses so want to see them both humbled!! However, you would have thought Zab learnt his lesson from the Tszyu situation but he has not. cc.

Zab was humbled from that situation but Mayweather has yet to be humbled, we've seen Zab gets whats coming to him before, and I think it's Mayweather's turn.

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Zab was humbled from that situation but Mayweather has yet to be humbled, we've seen Zab gets whats coming to him before, and I think it's Mayweather's turn.

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Naw, I think Zab was just humble for like a short period after, he was back to being a jackass during the Baldomir fight especially during the press conference. I think it's a fact that all big mouth's get what's coming to them somewhere no matter how awesome they are: Ali, RJJ, Tyson so I guess it will happen to Mayweather somewhere?

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Zab was humbled from that situation but Mayweather has yet to be humbled, we've seen Zab gets whats coming to him before, and I think it's Mayweather's turn.

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Because Mayweather knows that he's been in the gym since he was three? because he knows that he's been trained by two of the best trainers not to mention both pretty good fighters in their on day? because he knows that he's good? He needs to be humbled? IMO That's stupid to say because there's nothing wrong with knowing what you're capable of doing...And I don't care who it is, no champion in the history of boxing was ever humble, because you have to believe that you great in order to be great and there's nothing wrong with knowing it or voicing it if you are. PBF is the truth and he knows and like most dominant fighters the only person that can beat him is himself (lack of training, or whatever)...being humble in boxing usually means you're quietly hoping for something that is not likely to happen i.e. a win over a great champ...

Something people need to know is that kostya never just trained to be powerful, thats not how he got his ko punch. He got his powerful right from technique and timing. You time a punch perfectly then thats when its at the most powerful and i think floyd can do that and knock judah the hell out. Who the hell has zab really knocked out besides cory spinks? He knocked out Corley but everyone seems to be doing that these days, the rest like riviera and that are mostly bums. And thats what he thought baldomir was and he got a surprise, he might of been a bum but he came to fight.

havent we already been through this? i cant remember gatti or corrales hitting mayweather with anything more than powderpuff shots. his chin has never really been tested. my money's on floyd but it wont be a walk in the park.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Name a time Zab has been focused for more then 5 minutes?


Like I said hes immature and needs to grow up, hes never fully focused I've seen 3 yr. old kids with longer attention spans then him.....I'm teelling you his dad carries and 'etch and sketch' to keep him busy in the dressing rooms during pre-fights.

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Thats funny, the scary part is, it might be true. But Zab can crack, more so at 140ibs IMO, he is a bigger puncher than Floyd, but his chin is brittle. Both fighters are more flat-footed at 147ibs, so it might be a little more competative than most people think, but I think Mayweather's defense is tighter and his chin better, so Mayweather should win.

Angel Eyes.. it was 2 shots for Zab to put corely down. He was still stunned from the first when the seconds left landed. (Jab,straight, Corely clinches.. ref separates.. Straight left with no jab and corely falls asleep standing up and then crumbles and zab, on the follow through, goes over Corley and go sliding under the bottom rope.)

Zabs got decent power. However much of its generated by his speed and momentum created by his legs. His powers good at full extension. Hes gotta be moving as he throws much of himself behind his power shots. He used to coil and get good power on every shot. Now a days, he seems to coil less and lean more into those shots. He turns and leads more to get a little extra on the shot ... but the follow through is big and affects his balance a little, which is why you'll seem him stumble sometimes after a shot like the one I mentioned above. (chop chop tried to clinch a little, but zab was already a little off balance.) An extended byproduct of that is that zab will sometimes tend to widen his stance on the follow through to try and stabilize himself. This tends to leave him immobile from the waste down and he's momentarily forced to avoid shots soley with upper body/headmovement. Which is why he gets dropped on the seat of his pants (especially on counters) from fighters with not much pop.

He does still have power, but the way he throws his shots now carries a bit more liability than the wya he used to.

Mayweather, at his best isnt really a power house. His speed poses a problem, because before you know it, you've been hit. His accuracy goes a long way and he knows when to open up on a fighter. He turns it on and off as he likes. He'll work defensively till he sees hes got something and he flips the switch and becomes offensive. When hes offensive, he just piles it on and his opponents just cant seem to get out of the way. Floyds style of fighting also comes with liabilities. Floyd either fights offensively or defensively and the key is to catch him while hes changing. If your looking big opportunities when hes being exclusively defensive, you'll be hardpressed to find em. If youre looking for opportunities when hes offensive, you might have better luck, but they will still be scarce. Catch him in between provides the most room for landing on him because he hasnt committed to either offense or defense and hes trying to get that extra second to do so. At times like these, he tends to throw shots with mixed intentions and lack of conviction. Hes not trying to hit you to hurt you, he's trying get you off of him and gain some distance. While hes doing that, his arms are not close to his body, his shoulders arent rolling and he's setting himself up to be countered.

I'd say he was a good puncher, but not a huge puncher. He looks like a big puncher against outclassed opponents because his reflexes put him in a good position for flush counters. Even in this situation he still needs a few shots. I don't remeber him devastating someone with one shot. I don't see him getting the opening he needs from Mayweather. People are also making a lot of the size difference. Do you remember how much bigger Kostyta was than Zab in the ring? Zab isn't a big welter. It's his ability not his size that have made him competitve at the weight.

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Originally Posted by Snakey

Something people need to know is that kostya never just trained to be powerful, thats not how he got his ko punch. He got his powerful right from technique and timing. You time a punch perfectly then thats when its at the most powerful and i think floyd can do that and knock judah the hell out. Who the hell has zab really knocked out besides cory spinks? He knocked out Corley but everyone seems to be doing that these days, the rest like riviera and that are mostly bums. And thats what he thought baldomir was and he got a surprise, he might of been a bum but he came to fight.

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Zab won a SD against Corley. But your right that timing a punch is key. Kostya is a master at that, but Mayweathers not bad at it either. I honestly think his most immpresive victory was over Mickey Ward cause he was at his best IMO. BUT that was 8 yrs ago.

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Name one time Floyd had anyone out on their feet.

It took PBF about 9 rounds of accurate punching to put Corely down. It took Zab Judah 1 straight left hand. So who doesn't have power?

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Corrales, Sharmba, & Gatti. Gatti would have gone down in the next round had McGirt not saved him.

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gatti got punched like 345 times dead on,

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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes

Name one time Floyd had anyone out on their feet.

It took PBF about 9 rounds of accurate punching to put Corely down. It took Zab Judah 1 straight left hand. So who doesn't have power?

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Ndou... after his first cross of three, also Floyd hits hard he just doesn't have that intangible to knock people out.

Judah has more in one shot, but it's landing that one shot that is going to be hard. Zab would be hard pressed to box and make the counter punching Floyd come at him. Fres Oquendo who isn't as skilled as Chris Byrd used this strategy greatly, although I don't think he won, it was the right strategy.

If he somehow beats Mayweather he deserves to be acknowledged for finally fulfilling his potential in a big fight after so many chances, but he'll never be pound for pound or
'respected by all' . Judah is one of the only boxers in the world to rival Floyd for natural talent/athletic ability.Pity for Zab that he behaves like a moron, lacks chin and a work ethic and doesn't take responsibility for his mistakes.


I can't work out where all the support for him comes from. Not eveyone on here is from Brooklyn and the Zab Dance couldn't be called gangsta could it?