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Did Jack Johnson or Jack Dempsey orJoe Louis or Rocky Marciano or Muhammad Ali or Larry Holmes or Mike Tyson or Sonny Liston for example ever land a piss-poor four punches per round over a title fight? I don't think so.
That's simply had to be the worst performance by a heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. How he deserves a rematch is utterly Beyond anyone with even 25% of a brain.
Don't Klitschkos always put rematch clauses into contracts for themselves or their brother?
Not sure about that but I'll tell you what. His performance against Tyson Fury had to be the absolute worst performance of a heavyweight champion of all time. I think Buster Douglas at least threw more punches in his knockout loss to Evander Holyfield .... Klitschko did not try to hold onto his title against Tyson Fury
Old Wlad is shot, he's age 40 now.
Many heavyweights retired at a younger age.
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Good topic, brock. Nothing like dumping more dirt on my least favorite HW champion ever. I went ahead and Googled it.
CompuBox: Fewest Punches Landed - 12 Round Title Fight - Boxing News
Seems like Klinchko is tied with James Bonecrusher Smith for fewest punches landed per round in a 12-round heavyweight title fight. Smith at least had the excuse that he was facing Tyson, a murderous terminator at that time (1987) who the entire division was scared shitless of.
However..... look at punches thrown per round. Klinchko has that category all to himself. Smith at least threw a still pitiful 22 punches per round. Bambi only managed to throw 19. So basically you're 100% correct. The WORST PERFORMANCE BY A HEAVYWEIGHT (cough) CHAMPION IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING. I think a plaque of some sort must be in order here.
If Wlad decides to slink off into the sunset..... good riddance.
Thanks for the props Tito. I just watch the fight today for the third time and that is counting the original live fight. It is absolutely amazing to see clinchco grabbing and grabbing and grabbing Fury around the head and hearing Roy Jones constantly saying that clinch Co simply refuses to punch. Roy Jones said it best that this was the first time this charlatan ever for anybody bigger than himself and that he is used to clinching the smaller guys and he just simply cannot fight inside he has no inside fight game. I have never seen a more piss poor performance and I fail to see any reason for a rematch at all. I have been saying since 2003 that if this guy ever fought someone his own size or bigger here he would not be able to pull off his b******* strategies. This was clearly proven Beyond a doubt in the fury fight.
There is no way that clinch Co could ever be considered an all-time great and all of those 18 successful title defenses have to be seen now in a completely different light. It also gives Credence to my theory over the past 10 years or so that there should be a super heavyweight division. There is no way that someone the size of clinch Co should be matched up against let's say a guy the size of Leon Spinks or Joe Frazier. People don't want to admit it because it makes their heads spin too much but size definitely does matter in the heavyweight division. That's why George Foreman completely eliminated Joe Frazier. That's why Lennox Lewis completely eliminated Mike Tyson. It is a very rare thing for a guy like Rocky Marciano and Joe Frazier to beat people who are bigger than them. Mike Tyson did it too but like I said it is very very rare.
He landed 4 per round and fury landed 7-8 per round what a shit fight , Wlad needs to walk away he is shot.
in terms of results wlad is at his peak
take the first 4 rounds of any of his fights over the last 10 years and I bet the total punches per round aren't any more than 4
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Originally Posted by erics44
Wladimir threw 545 punches against Jennings.
His output was very high against Wach. He averaged over 20 punches a round in the first four rounds against Pulev.
evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomNo.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Wladimir threw 545 punches against Jennings.
His output was very high against Wach. He averaged over 20 punches a round in the first four rounds against Pulev.
and like I say tho, in terms of results he is at his peak, Jennings and pulev were 2 of his best wins and best performances
In terms of numbers yes it's piss poor, but numbers dont tell the whole story.
Wlad is a great 'up' fighter, he's been the Don for years and had everything on his terms. He's been great at beating up smaller guys that can fight, or big lumps that cant fight a lick. In Fury he had a big lump who can move and fight, and who totally psyched him out pre fight.
What Wlad does in the rematch is intriguing. Self preservation/intelligence has repeatedly seen him ignore pleas to up the pace in fights, even when Manny was alive. Wlad is smart, no doubting that but I dont think he's that tough. It's been a running joke through his career that he gets Big Bro to finish the rows he starts but cant finish himself. If he tries to box with Fury he'll be back in his shell in no time, terrified of letting the leather fly. If he ignores every impulse in himself and comes out fighting he may win his titles back, he may get chinned. How he approaches this has got me hooked.
Two good things for the rematch are - it can't possibly be as pony as last time and will have a British crowd.
If they can get 10,000 bods in the MEN the crowd will play a massive factor in whose arsehole goes.
Klitschko-Jennings punch statsQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Klitschko-Wach 693 punches
No, he's looked old in those fights.Quote:
and like I say tho, in terms of results he is at his peak, Jennings and pulev were 2 of his best wins and best performances
Prime Wlad was faster and would have KOed Jennings.
Briggs fight where he koed his opponent in the last round was worse in terms of entertainment.
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Originally Posted by FreedomKlitschko-Jennings punch statsQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Klitschko-Wach 693 punches
No, he's looked old in those fights.Quote:
and like I say tho, in terms of results he is at his peak, Jennings and pulev were 2 of his best wins and best performances
Prime Wlad was faster and would have KOed Jennings.
I think you are right m8, I don't think wladimir is completely finished yet but he's certainly lost a bit of speed and snap(especially with his feet)...
Don't think jennings is one of his best wins at all, out of similary sized and styled fighters(and err black guys i guess :S) I would say, Haye and two wins over byrd are better than jennings.. I would say jennings is on a par with eddie chambers and wladimir looked far better against chambers than against jennings.
I think Tyson Fury is all wrong for Klitschko. Klitschko needs a fighter who is going to back up and cower/ smaller than him.
If you listen to Roy Jones doing the fight he was hitting the nail on the head all night long about Klitschko
wlad just needs to down a 6 pack of pabst before the ring walk and go on a sugary beer fueled rampage... he needs a new nutritionistQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
He's a smart fighter.but that doesn't negate a single thing you've pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by Memphis
While there's no doubting Wlad's intelligence, I'd say it's 99.9% self preservation and 0.1% intelligence in the ring. Also, while you're right in that numbers don't tell the whole story... there's also this to consider. Ponder a minute on 19 punches per round.
Wlad threw an average of one punch every 10 seconds. TEN SECONDS!!! Let's just say he threw a few rare 2-punch combinations. That means somewhere along the line Wlad was a full 20-30 seconds without throwing a single punch. Not to mention the fact that of those 19, probably 18 of them were meekly thrown, more like "get off of me" punches than punches meant to do actual damage.
No... it just gets worse the more you think about it.
I say he is intelligent......based on the end result. Horrible numbers for the duration of his fights for sure, but the results?:-\
53 KO/TKOs out of 64 wins. 78% ratio over a 19 year span. That is hard to do.
Rocky Marciano threw 75 punches a round, sometimes 110 (122 in several rounds against Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore!!!!,)
122.
Case closed.
the main difference between 2 awful fights - Tyson v Bonecrusher / Wlad v Fury is pretty simple , Smith landed 4 per round with a rampaging slugger coming at him , Wlad landed the same with a guy landing 7 punches per round on him.
So it shows the fact it went 12 rounds that Wlad is shot and has no punch output.
Wlad didn't KO Jennings because he was stopped from holdingQuote:
Originally Posted by FreedomKlitschko-Jennings punch statsQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Klitschko-Wach 693 punches
No, he's looked old in those fights.Quote:
and like I say tho, in terms of results he is at his peak, Jennings and pulev were 2 of his best wins and best performances
Prime Wlad was faster and would have KOed Jennings.
if the fight was in Germany he would have been allowed to hold and would have KOed Jennings
The gavel has been banged.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Oh hell yeah. Hell fuckin YEAHQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeThe gavel has been banged.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
ROUND 15 MARCIANO VS CHARLES I
punch stats: Marciano -
122 punches thrown,
38 punches landed.
Jabs: 11 thrown/6 landed
Power punches: 111 thrown/32 landed
Connect percentage: 31%
ROUND ......
FUCKING.......
15.
YEAH.
Yeah....
122 punches thrown....
Round
15......
Yeah.
Nobody's beatin marciano.
"He is shot"
This is a shock to see from everyone who like me thought he'd destroy Fury.
All the Fury fight proved is that he couldn't figure someone out, and that was about time.
eggs fucking zactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
before the fury fight what were the signs of him being shot?
he'd just had 2 of his best results
he lost to fury because fury is half decent and too big for him to hold
I almost liked that until you had to reduce Fury to being half decent. Hes clearly better than half decent when he can do what no one else could and that includes half decent fighters like Haye and Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44eggs fucking zactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
before the fury fight what were the signs of him being shot?
he'd just had 2 of his best results
he lost to fury because fury is half decent and too big for him to hold
I never said he was just half decentQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI almost liked that until you had to reduce Fury to being half decent. Hes clearly better than half decent when he can do what no one else could and that includes half decent fighters like Haye and Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44eggs fucking zactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
before the fury fight what were the signs of him being shot?
he'd just had 2 of his best results
he lost to fury because fury is half decent and too big for him to hold
I said he was half decent and too big for wlad to hold :)
Actully Wlad held Fury more than he held Haye. He holds obviously where there is a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I never said he was just half decentQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI almost liked that until you had to reduce Fury to being half decent. Hes clearly better than half decent when he can do what no one else could and that includes half decent fighters like Haye and Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44eggs fucking zactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
before the fury fight what were the signs of him being shot?
he'd just had 2 of his best results
he lost to fury because fury is half decent and too big for him to hold
I said he was half decent and too big for wlad to hold :)
ha ha ha ha haaaaarrrrrrrrrQuote:
Originally Posted by rossActully Wlad held Fury more than he held Haye. He holds obviously where there is a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I never said he was just half decentQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI almost liked that until you had to reduce Fury to being half decent. Hes clearly better than half decent when he can do what no one else could and that includes half decent fighters like Haye and Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44eggs fucking zactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
before the fury fight what were the signs of him being shot?
he'd just had 2 of his best results
he lost to fury because fury is half decent and too big for him to hold
I said he was half decent and too big for wlad to hold :)
Lets not ignore the great Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Purity did something Fury couldn't do
All bar Sanders were getting beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury has comprehensively out boxed Wladimir Klitschko which IS simething else no one else has ever been able to do;)
is wlad shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAll bar Sanders were getting beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury has comprehensively out boxed Wladimir Klitschko which IS simething else no one else has ever been able to do;)
Knocking someone out is not outboxing them?
In that case every knockout in history can be explained as nothing more than pure luck.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
No Fenster you are wrong , Wlad let Corrie Sanders knock him out , so it doesn't count as outboxing.
No one in here thought so 6 months ago did they. It was too soon for Joshua and Fury and Wilder would have been beaten quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44is wlad shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAll bar Sanders were getting beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury has comprehensively out boxed Wladimir Klitschko which IS simething else no one else has ever been able to do;)
Would you like a plaster for your vagina? Sounds like its still hurting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
No Fenster you are wrong , Wlad let Corrie Sanders knock him out , so it doesn't count as outboxing.
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Originally Posted by rossWould you like a plaster for your vagina? Sounds like its still hurting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
No Fenster you are wrong , Wlad let Corrie Sanders knock him out , so it doesn't count as outboxing.
Not at all I'm at ease with the fact Wlad is an old fighter who is shot and needs to walk away , most people had no idea that combined 11 punches per round would equate to a 12 round HW title fight. Nobody knew that boxing could be so pathetic.
However the future of the HW division looks bright .
I can only presume your use of the word VAGINA means you did sex education this week in school ?