Floyd Mayweather v Manny Pacquiao - Con Job

The greatest boxing con job was pulled last year where the whole world believed that the biggest and best fighters of our generation would fight one another and produce a great spectacle.

Even fans that had not watched boxing before bought into the hype and stayed up late ordering the ppv fight.

The fight was a stinker and let down a lot of people. Floyd was his negative self doing just enough to win the rounds. Manny by and large was useless and blamed a shoulder injury for his poor performance.

Most people did not appreciate that both fighters were past their best and that the fight should have happened 5 years earlier. For whatever reasons the best fight did not happen when both were at their pomp.

Manny had been beaten and even knocked out cold, face first, by the time he fought Floyd. Yet the fight was sold at an extortionate price, extra for HD, and record numbers bought the show. It was the highest grossing fight of all time. How and why did it fool so many people? Could they try and con the public again?

I remember speaking with a mate of mine who told me that he 'fucking hated Mayweather and wanted Pac to knock him out' I asked him how he came to this conclusion and he told me that he had no idea as he had never seen either of them fight before but because most people wanted Pacquiao to win he was following the trend.

I told him exactly how the fight would go the only thing that I got wrong was that I told him Pac might get a few of the early rounds if he goes all out, I got a text message off him saying how disapointed he was and that he was never paying for the boxing again.

He paid for AJ vs Charles and straight after the fight he text me to say 'THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME'

I have no doubt that if they fought again he would pay for it, a lot of people basically believe what Sky tell them to believe and when sky tells them that they should pay £18 they think 'well if its PPV it must be good'

I watched for free on my PC. I knew after round 3 I had made the right decision not to pad their pockets.

Your mate will pay for AJ's next defence too.

AJ spent longer walking back to his dressing room than he did the actual fight.

Actually, most boxing fans and some casual fans knew that they were past their prime and were not really expecting that much of a high-level competitive fight, despite the inflated $100 PPV. Most people ordered that fight with realistic expectations because so many were turned off by how long it dragged out. It was more like a "let's watch it and get it out of the way" approach to it.

It's like the hot young chick who turned you down. You find out she dates a few other guys along the way, then a few years go by she finally wants to give you some action. You accept anyway, but not with the same desire and enthusiasm at you would have a few years prior.

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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Actually, most boxing fans and some casual fans knew that they were past their prime and were not really expecting that much of a high-level competitive fight, despite the inflated $100 PPV. Most people ordered that fight with realistic expectations because so many were turned off by how long it dragged out. It was more like a "let's watch it and get it out of the way" approach to it.

It's like the hot young chick who turned you down. You find out she dates a few other guys along the way, then a few years go by she finally wants to give you some action. You accept anyway, but not with the same desire and enthusiasm at you would have a few years prior.

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But you still end up paying the high inflated price? No way!

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Originally Posted by Master

The greatest boxing con job was pulled last year where the whole world believed that the biggest and best fighters of our generation would fight one another and produce a great spectacle.

Even fans that had not watched boxing before bought into the hype and stayed up late ordering the ppv fight.

The fight was a stinker and let down a lot of people. Floyd was his negative self doing just enough to win the rounds. Manny by and large was useless and blamed a shoulder injury for his poor performance.

Most people did not appreciate that both fighters were past their best and that the fight should have happened 5 years earlier. For whatever reasons the best fight did not happen when both were at their pomp.

Manny had been beaten and even knocked out cold, face first, by the time he fought Floyd. Yet the fight was sold at an extortionate price, extra for HD, and record numbers bought the show. It was the highest grossing fight of all time. How and why did it fool so many people? Could they try and con the public again?

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Master, will you never give in? Why the fucking hell would you start a Floyd v Manny thread? I'm beginning to think you're a closet Floyd lover!!!;D
Btw, did you REALLY believe it was going to be a classic and they would go hammer and tongs at each other? :rolleyes: I think most people with half a brain knew how it would pan out.

It still hurrts and it is nearly the anniversary of the fight.

Why does it hurt? Did you actually pay for it? ;D

One of my sisters got the fight. For the most part it was just a get together. I did pay for the Coronas.

Everyone there had appreciated Floyd's skills.

I paid for it, knowing it would likely be the dud it was, but hoping for a special event. Floyd is a phenomenal fighter, no doubt about it. Top 10-15 ATG in my opinion, and a great self promoter/entertaining personality (love him or hate him), without a doubt.

All of that being said, his lack of effort vs Manny is unforgivable. When Erik Morales was beating Manny handily in their first fight, he came out in the final round and tried for the stoppage, providing phenomenal two way action n treated the fans to a memorable/enjoyable fight. Contrast that with Floyd's non-effort and it illustrates why I can't take Floyd seriously when he claims to be the GOAT. His "fight of the century) was pathetically boring and I'm positive he turned way more potential fans off from the sport, than he drew to the sport.

Floyd was at his best, Manny wasn't

that why the fight happened

You're meant to provide a link when you copy and paste stuff.

It wasn't a con. Anyone that thought they were gonna see something out of Game of Thrones is clueless about boxing (fully understand that nerdy boxing fans got seriously hyped and expected better though).

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Floyd was at his best, Manny wasn't

that why the fight happened

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Was that because of age? oh no, I forgot , Floyd's older than Manny. and then Guess what ? Manny fights Bradley and he's back to his best!

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Floyd was at his best, Manny wasn't

that why the fight happened

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Was that because of age? oh no, I forgot , Floyd's older than Manny. and then Guess what ? Manny fights Bradley and he's back to his best!

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mannys best was 5 years ago, the cotto, hatton, dlh, margarita stage (although he was pretty awesome before that too)

Floyd didn't show any sign of deterioration over those 5 years

Manny was nowhere near as good as he was

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Floyd was at his best, Manny wasn't

that why the fight happened

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Was that because of age? oh no, I forgot , Floyd's older than Manny. and then Guess what ? Manny fights Bradley and he's back to his best!

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mannys best was 5 years ago, the cotto, hatton, dlh, margarita stage (although he was pretty awesome before that too)

Floyd didn't show any sign of deterioration over those 5 years

Manny was nowhere near as good as he was

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it's amazing, everybody hates Floyd, doesn't want to see him, but they all want to talk about him. ;)
Floyd did deteriorate , but because he is so professional and because he was so much better than the rest, it didn't show up as much. He's 2 years older than Manny , so it should've benefited Manny.
The truth is, that if the fight had taken place 5 or 6 years ago, the result would've been no different. Infact I reckon Floyd would've won easier.
Floyd "has no power, runs , is boring , and 39 years old", but he was and is way too good for anyone on the planet.
it's laughable really that people try to make some case against him.
yeah, as a bloke, he's a bit of a cock , but not as bad as he used to be. But you cannot deny his record nor his total domination of the sport.
and the biggest piss take of the lot , is that you all still talk about him. He must be laughing his cock off!:LOLATYOU::lolhaha:

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

it's amazing, everybody hates Floyd, doesn't want to see him, but they all want to talk about him. ;)
Floyd did deteriorate , but because he is so professional and because he was so much better than the rest, it didn't show up as much. He's 2 years older than Manny , so it should've benefited Manny.
The truth is, that if the fight had taken place 5 or 6 years ago, the result would've been no different. Infact I reckon Floyd would've won easier.
Floyd "has no power, runs , is boring , and 39 years old", but he was and is way too good for anyone on the planet.
it's laughable really that people try to make some case against him.
yeah, as a bloke, he's a bit of a cock , but not as bad as he used to be. But you cannot deny his record nor his total domination of the sport.
and the biggest piss take of the lot , is that you all still talk about him. He must be laughing his cock off!:LOLATYOU::lolhaha:

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mate, ive been at work all day, bored shitless wanting to do anything but work

all I have is this forum for company

id rather talk about other boxers and boxing related matters but I think ive commented on just about every other thread on the forum

so I had nothing left to do but to comment on this thread and it happened to be about Floyd!

Manny was at his best while jacked on PEDS and ripped on roids.

Since he couldn't be full of A Side Meth against Floyd--he had no choice but to blame his poor performance on a faked injury--only revealed during the press conference!

Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. 😂
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!😂😂😉

I still can never understand how Floyd became such a PPV star. Yes hes the best boxer but for casual fans I dont think hes ever really had a really exciting fight. Compare him to Rigo or Ward who are equally dominant but noone wants anything to do with them. Their fights are much more exciting than Floyd fights for me.

It fooled many people for the same reason many of the PPV are purchased. FOMO... fear of missing out. Its kind of a common social phenomena when it trumps logic. Its the same reason little kids look up directly into an eclipse when when they are told not too.

I believe the writing was on the wall for most of the boxing fans and those that have been watching the situation for a while.
- I was at the time a floyd fan for many years up until that point and convinced floyd was too much for manny because manny (and especially the way he set up his punches) was too predictable... Worked off the jab, flicked it as a range finder and used it to get his opponents back up before following with the uppercut or left
- Erik Morales of all people beat manny by turning him with a jab all night whenever he set up off the jab.
- At the time it should have happened. Manny was tearing through fighters because freddy changed his approach by managing his attack angles and in an out attacks. This worked on most every fighter because they were a touch slower than him and even then ones that maybe could match him for speed weren't defensive fighters. A guy like mosely was fast but in bursts and counted on you sitting in the pocket so he could counter you. Manny was gone by the time Mosely knew what hit him and began his counter.
- Floyd started all this business about testing and accusing manny of being a roided up freak that defied nature by carrying power up through the ranks. The entire Mayweather clan got in on it. Spouting nonsense that ceased making sense-- see Rog's crack fueled "A side Meth" paranoia. At the time I felt like pac should just take the test and make the fight happen so we could see the fight and what floyd was doing was good for the sport and it didnt matter because floyd would beat him anyway-- I had friends calling for floyd to just waive whatever and fight manny and beat him even if he was juicing to prove he was the best. I bought the clean sport propaganda. In retrospect, I realize now that Floyd was scared of losing not just to a juicer but anyone. It went from testing, to the split, to network issues, to manny needing money etc etc. for all the reasons floyd shouldn't fight him. This alone to me meant if the fight was going to happen, that floyd was going to spoil his way through the fight by tying manny's hands up after landing first similar to the way Holyfield had smothered Tyson.
- At the points after that, it became apparent who was taking on all comers (it honestly felt like Manny would don a pair of Gene Simmons Platform shoes and challenge Paul Williams) and who was clutching their zero while being forced to fight.
- Manny's Injuries and cramping issues had started becoming more frequent and he seemed to be more and more deliberately dismissive of marquez making a case that he had/could beat manny.
- Floyd seemed more desperate to keep his zero, resorting to prefight stips, Vegas home court advantage, suckerpunching ortiz... all the time while campaigning harder than ever and flaunting his money more.
- Manny gets knocked unconcious by marquez and it was apparent that he would never be the same after that. Immediately, the fight seems more appetizing to floyd than ever.
- Then all business before the fight with floyd just trying to exert leverage over every facet. Even buying out mannys sparring partners.
- Freddy outright denying every rumor of pac injuries but not seeming to be working on anything special against floyd.
- It all started to seem like a cover to preserve profits.

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Originally Posted by Master

The greatest boxing con job was pulled last year where the whole world believed that the biggest and best fighters of our generation would fight one another and produce a great spectacle.

Even fans that had not watched boxing before bought into the hype and stayed up late ordering the ppv fight.

The fight was a stinker and let down a lot of people. Floyd was his negative self doing just enough to win the rounds. Manny by and large was useless and blamed a shoulder injury for his poor performance.

Most people did not appreciate that both fighters were past their best and that the fight should have happened 5 years earlier. For whatever reasons the best fight did not happen when both were at their pomp.

Manny had been beaten and even knocked out cold, face first, by the time he fought Floyd. Yet the fight was sold at an extortionate price, extra for HD, and record numbers bought the show. It was the highest grossing fight of all time. How and why did it fool so many people? Could they try and con the public again?

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Dig up the predictions thread on this board for the fight. Most people said "boring Floyd UD". And so they sold it as the fight of the century to the public. So what? They sell every fight as hard as they can. That's their job.

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Originally Posted by Master

The greatest boxing con job was pulled last year where the whole world believed that the biggest and best fighters of our generation would fight one another and produce a great spectacle.

Even fans that had not watched boxing before bought into the hype and stayed up late ordering the ppv fight.

The fight was a stinker and let down a lot of people. Floyd was his negative self doing just enough to win the rounds. Manny by and large was useless and blamed a shoulder injury for his poor performance.

Most people did not appreciate that both fighters were past their best and that the fight should have happened 5 years earlier. For whatever reasons the best fight did not happen when both were at their pomp.

Manny had been beaten and even knocked out cold, face first, by the time he fought Floyd. Yet the fight was sold at an extortionate price, extra for HD, and record numbers bought the show. It was the highest grossing fight of all time. How and why did it fool so many people? Could they try and con the public again?

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Dig up the predictions thread on this board for the fight. Most people said "boring Floyd UD". And so they sold it as the fight of the century to the public. So what? They sell every fight as hard as they can. That's their job.

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But never has a fight been so over priced, over hyped and been such a big let down.

I apologise @Master... even though I don't believe you.

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I apologise @Master... even though I don't believe you.

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I know it is the most I have ever written but I have so much hate for Floyd, the event, ppv and the big matches that is prevented it annoyed me even after all this time.

The anniversary of the event brought the bad memories back.

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Originally Posted by Master

The greatest boxing con job was pulled last year where the whole world believed that the biggest and best fighters of our generation would fight one another and produce a great spectacle.

Even fans that had not watched boxing before bought into the hype and stayed up late ordering the ppv fight.

The fight was a stinker and let down a lot of people. Floyd was his negative self doing just enough to win the rounds. Manny by and large was useless and blamed a shoulder injury for his poor performance.

Most people did not appreciate that both fighters were past their best and that the fight should have happened 5 years earlier. For whatever reasons the best fight did not happen when both were at their pomp.

Manny had been beaten and even knocked out cold, face first, by the time he fought Floyd. Yet the fight was sold at an extortionate price, extra for HD, and record numbers bought the show. It was the highest grossing fight of all time. How and why did it fool so many people? Could they try and con the public again?

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Your off your head master the fight went exactly how every Floyd fan though it would go and I don't see any Floyd fans disappointed with the fight, just the pacman fans who can't except that floyds just better

p4p atg tbe

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p4p atg tbe

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Sugar Ray Robinson sure was. Well said. :cool:

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Manny was at his best while jacked on PEDS and ripped on roids.

Since he couldn't be full of A Side Meth against Floyd--he had no choice but to blame his poor performance on a faked injury--only revealed during the press conference!

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this may well be true but he was miles better then by millions than he was when he fought floyd

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. 😂
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!😂😂😉

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give me a job, ill try hard and wont go on forums

Floyd was the biggest PPV draw in the world because the largest market by far is in America. US fighters were going through their worst period EVER .... no marketable fighters in any of the traditional weight divisions, no exciting heavyweight, no good middleweight, nothing at lightweight.

Floys was the ONLY world class American fighter during a large part of his career (who fought fairly regularly anyway)

Of course he was going to be a huge PPV star.

Undoubtedly, he is a great great fighter .... but his style is a lot like Rigo's, who stinks at the box office because he is a Cuban.

PAC started his career at flyweight, so I think Floyd always knew he wouldn't get bullied by him, plus he was five years past his best and hadn't stopped anybody in years. Floys knew PAC would never outpoint him .... so, logically, he knew he would win.

I was very disappointed in PAC, not so much for losing as Floyd nullifies everyone he fights, but for going through with the fight with such an injury.

People are still on about this? Listen, Floyd Mayweather Jr is a great fighter.....the greatest of all time? Simply put, not just "no" but "HELL NO" he picked out his opponents carefully, he took little to no risks when compared to what past greats did. He saw the opportunity to keep a perfect record and he went with that rather than try to endear himself to fans and EARN his greatness. Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and he has fans worldwide because he was WILLING to take risks, he was WILLING to seek out the best fighters and win fans over and of course the style in which he fought was entertaining as well.


The Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was window dressing for Floyd's career, it did nothing for Manny, it did little to nothing for any of the boxing fans, it wasn't an exciting fight, it wasn't an epic that will be burned in our memories forever. It was a fight that took too long to happen, they had a 4-5 year span where they COULD have had an epic, a classic fight, but this was nothing but to line promoter's pockets and pad Floyd's resume.

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Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. 😂
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!😂😂😉

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give me a job, ill try hard and wont go on forums

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Yeah, I bet that's what you said at the interview with your current boss!

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Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. 😂
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!😂😂😉

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give me a job, ill try hard and wont go on forums

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Yeah, I bet that's what you said at the interview with your current boss!

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the subject of posting on forums during working hours never cropped up

at least me and you can be honest with each other from the start

leads to a healthy working relationship

I wish I could do the same. :(

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Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. 😂
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!😂😂😉

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give me a job, ill try hard and wont go on forums

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Yeah, I bet that's what you said at the interview with your current boss!

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the subject of posting on forums during working hours never cropped up

at least me and you can be honest with each other from the start

leads to a healthy working relationship

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I'm gonna take a pass if that's ok.;)

We were part of boxing history and yes it was a crappy fight but I knew that it would be because like I said before if a hurt Tim Bradly was able to hold him off and keep it competitive then what would a Mayweather be able to do to him? It went exactly the way I thought it would. Will I shell out another 100 bucks for a fight? Who knows. I have paid for mega stinkers in the past like Oscar vs Tito so I would probably get suckered again. But what can I say I love this sport.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. 😂
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!😂😂😉

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give me a job, ill try hard and wont go on forums

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Yeah, I bet that's what you said at the interview with your current boss!

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the subject of posting on forums during working hours never cropped up

at least me and you can be honest with each other from the start

leads to a healthy working relationship

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I'm gonna take a pass if that's ok.;)

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youre probly a rent boy pimp anyway

which isn't my field

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Mate, try doing some work, you never know, you might like it. ������
Otherwise you need to find a new job!
Ps. I ain't offering you one because you spend too much time posting on forums!������������������

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give me a job, ill try hard and wont go on forums

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Yeah, I bet that's what you said at the interview with your current boss!

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the subject of posting on forums during working hours never cropped up

at least me and you can be honest with each other from the start

leads to a healthy working relationship

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I'm gonna take a pass if that's ok.;)

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youre probly a rent boy pimp anyway

which isn't my field

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Don't knock it till you try it kid. ;D

Top Rank, Al Haymon settlement could open door for Mayweather-Pacquiao II

LAS VEGAS – Top Rank attorneys have instructed promoters involved with the $100 million lawsuit Top Rank filed last year against powerful boxing manager Al Haymon to halt requested document production, and scheduled depositions have been postponed indefinitely, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports – strong indications the two sides are moving toward a settlement.

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Top Rank originally filed suit last July. The suit contended Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) — the series Haymon spearheads — is monopolistic, violates federal antitrust laws and the federal Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act. The antitrust claims were dismissed last October, and investment group Waddell & Reed, which invested hundreds of millions of dollars to bankroll the PBC, was removed as co-defendant.

Top Rank filed an amended, more detailed complaint against Haymon in October, and in January a judge denied Haymon’s motion to dismiss, allowing the case to proceed to discovery and depositions.

Top Rank CEO Bob Arum told Yahoo! Sports he “knew nothing,” of a potential settlement, and that the decision to halt discovery and postpone depositions were “internal mechanisms regarding the case.”

Top Rank president Todd duBoef declined comment, referring Yahoo Sports to Top Rank’s attorneys.

Daniel Petrocelli, an attorney representing Top Rank, did not immediately return a call to his office.

Details of any settlement talks are unknown, but multiple people involved in the lawsuit told Yahoo Sports of one possible outcome of a settlement: a rematch between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. Boxing’s biggest stars fought last May in a fight that generated 4.6 million pay-per-view buys and generated $500 million in total revenue.

While the fight was a disappointment — Mayweather cruised to an easy decision — a rematch is still the richest fight in boxing, one that could easily exceed 2 million buys. Mayweather retired last year, but has recently hinted at a possible comeback in an interview last week and his company has filed for trademarks on "TMT 50" and "TBE 50," according to ESPN. Another win would represent the 50th victory of his career.

Pacquiao retired after his win over Timothy Bradley last month, but has publicly lobbied for a rematch with Mayweather, suggesting a shoulder injury hindered his performance.

By settling the lawsuit, Pacquiao, who is represented by Top Rank, and Mayweather, who is managed by Haymon, would clear a significant hurdle in potential negotiations.