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So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
What you got?
Dance to a points win?
or Canelo stops him?
Something else?
My mind is telling me we hear nursery Rhyme tunes around the 5th, but my gut feeling says we're in for some merry jigs and tagging.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Canelo just comfortably beat Cotto, who I think it a fair bit better than khan, I guess khan has a different style and everything but canelo has beaten Cotto, Trout and Lara(very close though), I don't think Khan is going to be too much trouble for alvarez. I think some people are getting carried away with their dislike of canelo.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
I figure he's going to get squashed, but if he has a chance it will probably be obvious by the way the first round or two go, as he'd need to basically avoid getting tagged at all. One of those fights where you can only see it being one sided one way or another, if Khan can play keep away and outpoint him he'll have to do it for the whole fight, I can't picture much give and take happening.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Andre
What you got?
Dance to a points win?
or Canelo stops him?
Something else?
My mind is telling me we hear nursery Rhyme tunes around the 5th, but my gut feeling says we're in for some merry jigs and tagging.
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I would love Khan to pull the upset but lets be real, he' s not winning. In fact if he does not get humiliated that will be a moral victory.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Amir looked absolutely brilliant against Alexander but there is a reason for that. Alexander is a boxer/counterpuncher. His style was perfectly suited for Khans offensive ability to shine on. Where Khan struggles is with swarmer/puncher/pressure fighters. He's been beaten by some with not even half the boxing skills he has. The moment he's forced backward he falls apart. His fight or flight mechanism betrays him. Instead of using the ring and getting out of the quagmire, he squares up and chooses to fight. Alvarez is not a style that plays well for Khan and when you add the size thing it does not look good.
Who knows though how much Khan bulks up. It may serve him better to be 152 at the weigh in and not rehydrate to much. It would be a mistake imo to compromise the speed advantage. He's going to be outweighed by 20 pounds anyway. It would sure be some ultimate karma if Khan was able to win this thing. Alvarez's stock would drop like a rock. The catchweight champion who ducks the best in the division getting beat by a guy that had no business being there.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
I would be absolutely shocked if this went passed 4 rounds. My bet is a second round KO.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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powerpuncher
I would be absolutely shocked if this went passed 4 rounds. My bet is a second round KO.
I was thinking in the 5th. Cant see him surviving a clean shot weights ahead of where hes failed before.
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Khan slices cancelol is eyes with flurries. Stoppoed on cuts Khan tko over canelo
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
I keep reverting back to Khan's fight against Algieri. That fight I believe is a good indicator of how this fight is going to turn out.
Khan did struggle with Algieri. It wasn't the kind of struggle he came close to losing the fight, he won 8 rounds and he won the fight. The problem was that, he almost never dominated a round and barely edged most of them, he never came close to knocking out Algieri, never knocked him down, never even made him wobbly. He claims to be on the elite level, last time a (36 year old) elite fought Algieri, he knocked him down 6 times and did not give him a single round.
Khan fought a mediocre, B grade fighter, and he just looked like a slightly better, more technical B grade.
Khan won clearly, but he showed a lot of flaws.
He can't fight on the inside, he's still vulnerable to left hooks, he gets hit by right hands, and his chin is still weak, which is probably the worst combination of weaknesses you could have going against someone (Canelo) who can fight on the inside, with power in both hands and a terrific (and underrated) counterer.
Oh, and last I checked, Khan's chin hasn't gotten any better....
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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brocktonblockbust
Khan slices cancelol is eyes with flurries. Stoppoed on cuts Khan tko over canelo
:cool: You'd probably get some wicked odds on that exact call.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Khan slices cancelol is eyes with flurries.
That sounds like a Beatles B-side
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
I think Khan completely outboxs Canelo and then gets robbed on the scorecards cause let's be real Canelo has had some really strange scorecards going his way in a lot of his fights. No one gets a decision against Canelo unless you 12-0 him and even then it's still a spit decision
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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I think Khan completely outboxs Canelo and then gets robbed on the scorecards
I would love it if that happened, I think I would piss myself with laughter
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Khan needs to be quicker than Usain Bolt to have a chance. Canelo is a bit of a plodder but doesn't have slow hands. Khan didn't bring his power up to welter so it's a safe bet he hasn't got a hope in hell of hurting Canelo.
I think it will be similar to the Garcia fight. Khan will start well then Bzzzzzzz - Kip.
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For all his skill(vastly overrated) and speed(accurately rated) Khan simply isn't an intelligent fighter. He can be brilliant if you let him fight his fight. Make him think and he will come apart. Even if you don't make him think you can still make him leap into something big with his predictable style.
If Canelo is even half what he is advertised he will stop Khan.
I don't think Canelo is near the puncher his is made out to be, but he is enough. And he's a better boxer than he is made out to be. He should take Khan out.
Edit-that said, Khan boxing his ears off would be hysterical.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
If Virgils smart, he'll have khan try to use his distance, lands, 2/5 on the flurry and try to clinch which is what he does with ward. So look for Khan to try to fit into a Ward-esque rinse and repeat (perimeter stalk, attack, bury in, get walked out) kind of performance. Try stay off the ropes and frustrate Canelo and make it easier on himself in the later rounds where he can take rounds off and stay fresher. Its a win for khan publicity wise even if he survives.
Canelo should look to press Khan and force him to carry that extra weight and use his legs for the first 4 or 5 rounds, so he wears himself out. Bang the body with body and borderline belt shots and take his legs away... After that khans a touch slower, his legs are heavy and he's a sitting duck and will be forced to trade with Canelo.
I agree that this could be the typical khan oversight fight. Start well, look like he has a plan and a momentarily lapse of concentration eff's it all up. Either Canelo can't be hurt by Khan and throws with him looking knock on the same door Garcia knocked on with the left hook over the top. Or Khan strays from the game plan and tries to punch out with Canelo and gets clobbered. Or slows down just enough for Canelo to catch him in the later rounds. I get the feeling Khan tries to use the Ward technique listed above, has some moderate success and the first time canelo wobbles him, there will be a quick stoppage
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
To me I think this fight plays out like GGG vs David Lemieux. Come the night of the fight Canelo will be heavier, stronger, and will just batter Khan
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
He should bring a pillow with him.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
If Virgils smart, he'll have khan try to use his distance, lands, 2/5 on the flurry and try to clinch which is what he does with ward. So look for Khan to try to fit into a Ward-esque rinse and repeat (perimeter stalk, attack, bury in, get walked out) kind of performance. Try stay off the ropes and frustrate Canelo and make it easier on himself in the later rounds where he can take rounds off and stay fresher. Its a win for khan publicity wise even if he survives.
Canelo should look to press Khan and force him to carry that extra weight and use his legs for the first 4 or 5 rounds, so he wears himself out. Bang the body with body and borderline belt shots and take his legs away... After that khans a touch slower, his legs are heavy and he's a sitting duck and will be forced to trade with Canelo.
I agree that this could be the typical khan oversight fight. Start well, look like he has a plan and a momentarily lapse of concentration eff's it all up. Either Canelo can't be hurt by Khan and throws with him looking knock on the same door Garcia knocked on with the left hook over the top. Or Khan strays from the game plan and tries to punch out with Canelo and gets clobbered. Or slows down just enough for Canelo to catch him in the later rounds. I get the feeling Khan tries to use the Ward technique listed above, has some moderate success and the first time canelo wobbles him, there will be a quick stoppage
Virgil is smart. He told Khan's Dad to not take the fight. He's also paid well ;D
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
I've got extreme inside knowledge that Liam Smith outclassed Khan in sparring and he's looking fleshy. Stamina wasn't all that either, very reliable source too.
Posted this is another thread
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Tam Seddon
I've got extreme inside knowledge that Liam Smith outclassed Khan in sparring and he's looking fleshy. Stamina wasn't all that either, very reliable source too.
Posted this is another thread
Like throw a bra into the ring kind of flabby? I hope not but they have sure been tight on the pictures from camp. Khans got a pretty big frame. Its hard to believe he'd have issues putting on a few pounds.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Tam Seddon
I've got extreme inside knowledge that Liam Smith outclassed Khan in sparring and he's looking fleshy. Stamina wasn't all that either, very reliable source too.
Posted this is another thread
Like throw a bra into the ring kind of flabby? I hope not but they have sure been tight on the pictures from camp. Khans got a pretty big frame. Its hard to believe he'd have issues putting on a few pounds.
Just was told to wait till the weigh in and we shall see.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Mr140
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
He didn't outbox Cotto. I thought that Cotto boxed better for sure. The difference was that Cotto couldn't hurt Canelo whatsoever and every punch Canelo landed really affected Cotto. Cotto controlled the fight well but just couldn't handle the size of canelo. Khan will be even worse. He won't be able to dictate the pace at all.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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powerpuncher
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Mr140
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
He didn't outbox Cotto. I thought that Cotto boxed better for sure. The difference was that Cotto couldn't hurt Canelo whatsoever and every punch Canelo landed really affected Cotto. Cotto controlled the fight well but just couldn't handle the size of canelo. Khan will be even worse. He won't be able to dictate the pace at all.
I can not remember Cotto being badly hurt in that fight.
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
If Virgils smart, he'll have khan try to use his distance, lands, 2/5 on the flurry and try to clinch which is what he does with ward. So look for Khan to try to fit into a Ward-esque rinse and repeat (perimeter stalk, attack, bury in, get walked out) kind of performance. Try stay off the ropes and frustrate Canelo and make it easier on himself in the later rounds where he can take rounds off and stay fresher. Its a win for khan publicity wise even if he survives.
Canelo should look to press Khan and force him to carry that extra weight and use his legs for the first 4 or 5 rounds, so he wears himself out. Bang the body with body and borderline belt shots and take his legs away... After that khans a touch slower, his legs are heavy and he's a sitting duck and will be forced to trade with Canelo.
I agree that this could be the typical khan oversight fight. Start well, look like he has a plan and a momentarily lapse of concentration eff's it all up. Either Canelo can't be hurt by Khan and throws with him looking knock on the same door Garcia knocked on with the left hook over the top. Or Khan strays from the game plan and tries to punch out with Canelo and gets clobbered. Or slows down just enough for Canelo to catch him in the later rounds. I get the feeling Khan tries to use the Ward technique listed above, has some moderate success and the first time canelo wobbles him, there will be a quick stoppage
Good post.
I think you've hit just about every scenario for Khan outside of a first round KO lol
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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Master
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powerpuncher
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Mr140
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
He didn't outbox Cotto. I thought that Cotto boxed better for sure. The difference was that Cotto couldn't hurt Canelo whatsoever and every punch Canelo landed really affected Cotto. Cotto controlled the fight well but just couldn't handle the size of canelo. Khan will be even worse. He won't be able to dictate the pace at all.
I can not remember Cotto being badly hurt in that fight.
I don't think he was ever badly hurt but he definitely got hurt by some of them. And they definitely moved him backwards sometimes.
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powerpuncher
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Master
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powerpuncher
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Mr140
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
He didn't outbox Cotto. I thought that Cotto boxed better for sure. The difference was that Cotto couldn't hurt Canelo whatsoever and every punch Canelo landed really affected Cotto. Cotto controlled the fight well but just couldn't handle the size of canelo. Khan will be even worse. He won't be able to dictate the pace at all.
I can not remember Cotto being badly hurt in that fight.
I don't think he was ever badly hurt but he definitely got hurt by some of them. And they definitely moved him backwards sometimes.
I actually thought Cotto did not go for the victory and take the chances needed to win the fight. Cotto fought in the comfort zone of an aged fighter ready to pick up his pay cheque and fight another day type attitude.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
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IamInuit
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Tam Seddon
I've got extreme inside knowledge that Liam Smith outclassed Khan in sparring and he's looking fleshy. Stamina wasn't all that either, very reliable source too.
Posted this is another thread
Like throw a bra into the ring kind of flabby? I hope not but they have sure been tight on the pictures from camp. Khans got a pretty big frame. Its hard to believe he'd have issues putting on a few pounds.
There were some picture in the Daily Mail a month or so ago and he did not look good at all with the weight on. What weight he does put on is bound to slow him down and it's not going to lead to him sparking the ginger, is it?
Khan gets knocked out at some point. It's probably going to be pretty brutal as well, it's a Mexican holiday crowd and a PPV audience and a Vegas ref who is going to give people as much of their money's worth as possible. Khan is not going to get a British stoppage.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
I just cannot get beyond a guy harping on speed speed speed while at the same time he's packing on quick fix bulk and what will undoubtedly be some water weight. Khans best bet and thinking only chance is to cut Canelo up early and hope panic sets in. Its a fight where one guy can make ten times the mistakes of the other, Khan will be tip toing through a mind field every minute of every round and he's already shown that once he gets buzzed his feet tend to stop. Canelo won't have to play some search and destroy and may surprise Khan by himself boxing Khan into the tko midway. Also anything other than a devastating ko will knock Canelo down a notch in the public eye. He's also put himself into a corner with this manufactured match.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Khan needs to punch and move 3 minutes a round and he just cannot fight like Floyd Mayweather without getting tagged along the way and then fighting all mental. It's an odd matchup. I am still not convinced that Canelo isn't Prince Harry.
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powerpuncher
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Master
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powerpuncher
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Mr140
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
He didn't outbox Cotto. I thought that Cotto boxed better for sure. The difference was that Cotto couldn't hurt Canelo whatsoever and every punch Canelo landed really affected Cotto. Cotto controlled the fight well but just couldn't handle the size of canelo. Khan will be even worse. He won't be able to dictate the pace at all.
I can not remember Cotto being badly hurt in that fight.
I don't think he was ever badly hurt but he definitely got hurt by some of them. And they definitely moved him backwards sometimes.
Canelo was dodging most of what Cotto was throwing and then counter him and pressuring. To me that out boxing someone if you dodge most of they punches counter them and go in. I watch the fight a few times damn near most of cottos punches were dodged by Canelo.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Khan gets through early danger and outboxes Canelo (who suffers a cut mid-fight) for 12 rounds. Scores are about 9-3 but declared a draw, Khan gets robbed. Khan claims a moral victory.....
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Khan is gonna have to "Cory Spinks" his way to victory: Tap and run, tap and run. The end result is him having more punches landed, and Canelo with the more effective but FEWER shots landed.....and hope the judges value volume over substance.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
Canelo's resume literally outweighs kahns' resume (In weight divisions) Khan has been KO'd by smaller men. Khan seems to be a good fighter that was passed by others but there was also some annoying ranting and raving. Canelo leaves me scratching my head and I wonder why he has this title and allowed to dictate weight. I know Khan will give a good account of himself if he sticks and moves avoiding trading hooks with a hooker. As they say in American football, Khan is the quarterback and has to hit the target before being mowed down like grass by a lawn mower. Still the bigger man with some moves of his own Canelo may have underestimated a man who still has a great deal to prove and has an ego that could fill Wembley Stadium. I am leaning on Canelo for the win because the odds have been in his favor since the negotiations were in session and hoping at least that Khan doesn't wind up career wise as they say in the US Marines, writing a check with his mouth that his ass can't cash." If he loses, let's hope he proves that the middleweight champion was lucky he wasn't fighting Golovkin. He has to stick and move (Khan) and fight like he has a ten foot pole keeping away a bimbo that no one wants to be near in a raunchy bar located in a place just a few miles from hell.
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re: So Khan off to sleep, or dancing the night away to a with a frustrated Canelo?
If Khan gets a $13 million dollar payday, that's his biggest victory. He'll laugh his way out of the emergency room straight to the bank.
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Mr140
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powerpuncher
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Mr140
Canelo has wins over Trout, Lara and Cotto he going to crush Khan or at least beat him. Not to mention Canelo can box and counter well look at Cotto fight Canelo was out boxing him which is something i never thought i see was dodging almost all the shots that were thrown at him.
He didn't outbox Cotto. I thought that Cotto boxed better for sure. The difference was that Cotto couldn't hurt Canelo whatsoever and every punch Canelo landed really affected Cotto. Cotto controlled the fight well but just couldn't handle the size of canelo. Khan will be even worse. He won't be able to dictate the pace at all.
I can not remember Cotto being badly hurt in that fight.
I don't think he was ever badly hurt but he definitely got hurt by some of them. And they definitely moved him backwards sometimes.
Canelo was dodging most of what Cotto was throwing and then counter him and pressuring. To me that out boxing someone if you dodge most of they punches counter them and go in. I watch the fight a few times damn near most of cottos punches were dodged by Canelo.
Not to mention if you look at the stats for the fight Canelo landed 155 at 32 percent to Cottos 129 21 percent that pretty clear out landing. Like said earlier Canelo was dodging almost all of Cottos shots while contering with harder shots i would say that out boxing someone.
