So eddie hearn is trying to secure a berto, peterson or vargas fight for brooks next fight...why not bradley or garcia.?
Brook MUST fight garcia and the winner of thurman vs porter this year and stop taking the easy route...sick of it.
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So eddie hearn is trying to secure a berto, peterson or vargas fight for brooks next fight...why not bradley or garcia.?
Brook MUST fight garcia and the winner of thurman vs porter this year and stop taking the easy route...sick of it.
Vargas said they have to come to the States, Hearn said they still like that fight. Meanwhile Spence said he would travel, crickets.
Hearn has basically already said they would vacate before fighting Spence when he said 2 fights and on to154. It's sad the way boxing is these days. The worst thing for your career is to demonstrate you might be good. Nobody wants to fight someone good.
Vargas isn't a terrible fight but definitely not great by any means since the WW division is stacked with solid fighters. There is no reason he shouldn't be fighting a Top 5 WW.
Vargas as in Jesse Vargas ? That would be a pretty good match up I think, I would like to see that!
What does "deserve" even mean in this sport? If ever there was word butchered by application it’s that word in relationship to this sport.
And btw, you don’t see the irony is using Khan as some kind of bar?
Brook needs some balls and get into a big fight now, no excuses. Eddie and Kell have been hanging on the coattails of Khan when they should have moved on past Amir, especially after the victory over Porter.
Brooks would be embarrassed if he avoids the Spence fight.
Spence doesn't "deserve" Brook.... if we're going down that pathetic road.
Spence is beating fighters to become the mandatory so he deserves the fight against Kell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Point taken, but if Spence beats on more solid fighter, the difference between his resume and Brooks would be about 8 years of dick all and little else, and he is in line for the mandatory spot. Will Brook give up his title if he can't get a Khan fight?
I don't understand. Why would he give his title up if he doesn't get Khan ?Brook's title is all he's got.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As far as I'm concerned Khan can keep doing his circus acts, I don't really give a fuck about him because he's a pretty "plastic" WW as far as I'm concerned.
Brook needs to fight next, Garcia, Thurman, Manny or Spence. Nobody else is accpetable in my book.
Brooks needs the title to entice Khan to fight him as Amir does not have a belt. Khan wants to avenge his loss to Garcia and does not want to give Kell a payday which is a bit pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don't understand. Why would he give his title up if he doesn't get Khan ?Brook's title is all he's got.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As far as I'm concerned Khan can keep doing his circus acts, I don't really give a fuck about him because he's a pretty "plastic" WW as far as I'm concerned.
Brook needs to fight next, Garcia, Thurman, Manny or Spence. Nobody else is accpetable in my book.
That's what I mean, Spence is or is going to be his mandatory. If Brook can't get Khan and has to take that fight to keep his belt, think he will? I don't know how big a draw Brook is, but Spence won't be a payday and that's a really tough fight, hard to be optimistic give the guys career path so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don't understand. Why would he give his title up if he doesn't get Khan ?Brook's title is all he's got.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As far as I'm concerned Khan can keep doing his circus acts, I don't really give a fuck about him because he's a pretty "plastic" WW as far as I'm concerned.
Brook needs to fight next, Garcia, Thurman, Manny or Spence. Nobody else is accpetable in my book.
Ah, understood. But I think he's allowed a fight before Spence. He needs that big name.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's what I mean, Spence is or is going to be his mandatory. If Brook can't get Khan and has to take that fight to keep his belt, think he will? I don't know how big a draw Brook is, but Spence won't be a payday and that's a really tough fight, hard to be optimistic give the guys career path so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don't understand. Why would he give his title up if he doesn't get Khan ?Brook's title is all he's got.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As far as I'm concerned Khan can keep doing his circus acts, I don't really give a fuck about him because he's a pretty "plastic" WW as far as I'm concerned.
Brook needs to fight next, Garcia, Thurman, Manny or Spence. Nobody else is accpetable in my book.
I reckon what Hearn is trying to conjure up is the Vargas fight . Beat him, get the WBO Title and then he can drop the IBF Without having to face Spence.
That's not good enough for me, like I said , one of the previously mentioned or nothing as far as I'm concerned.
The point has gone over your head. What a surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSpence is beating fighters to become the mandatory so he deserves the fight against Kell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Brook/Eddie get around 75% of the wonga if Spence becomes the mandatory and the fight goes to purse bids. Why would they possibly swerve that? They have complete control of negotiations to make a killing.
The fact that Kell could lose and lose any bargaining power to fight Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The Khan ship has well and truly sailed, Khan said as much today.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe fact that Kell could lose and lose any bargaining power to fight Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm quite happy with that, fuck Khan. I don't buy this "Khan is so brave because he fought Canelo" bollocks either.
The money he got, none of the other WW's would've turned down either.
Khan has showed brilliant business
sense , but it doesn't make him any better a boxer.
You are right, kell would not have turned the Canelo fight down but Khan was big enough name to get it offered to him. Brooks needs to make a name for himself and that is going to US or fighting big names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe Khan ship has well and truly sailed, Khan said as much today.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe fact that Kell could lose and lose any bargaining power to fight Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm quite happy with that, fuck Khan. I don't buy this "Khan is so brave because he fought Canelo" bollocks either.
The money he got, none of the other WW's would've turned down either.
Khan has showed brilliant business
sense , but it doesn't make him any better a boxer.
I do not think the fight will happen yet.
What does Khan have to do with it? Spence isn't Brook's mandatory, that fight could be 18 months away.
((believe it or not @Master, i'm not just reading your posts, i'm responding to several points raised throughout the thread))
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Originally Posted by Fenster
The thread was that Brook doesn't deserve Khan. I'm saying fuck Khan, and what Brook should do. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
What you talking about ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Brook will fight anyone. Problem is, he's too dangerous for people to want to fight him. A bit like Triple G.
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Originally Posted by MasterBrooks needs the title to entice Khan to fight him as Amir does not have a belt. Khan wants to avenge his loss to Garcia and does not want to give Kell a payday which is a bit pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don't understand. Why would he give his title up if he doesn't get Khan ?Brook's title is all he's got.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
As far as I'm concerned Khan can keep doing his circus acts, I don't really give a fuck about him because he's a pretty "plastic" WW as far as I'm concerned.
Brook needs to fight next, Garcia, Thurman, Manny or Spence. Nobody else is accpetable in my book.
Khan is grasping at straws. In one sentence after Saturday he claims to still be in his prime but when Kell is mentioned he's near the end of his career. In addition why is he calling out Floyd and Manny? Why would either even consider it? They wouldn’t so that scraps those two big money fights. And Garcia? Does Khan relieve believe they'd cross the pond for Khan? And Thurman, not mentioned but is he even active and how does he pay all that bread? The biggest money fight for Khan is Brook and I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. It would sell out any stadium in England. Bradley? Now he’s a cash cow? Khans problem with Brook is and always has been the thought of getting wiped out on British soil. It’s his ego talking. Have you seen one of the latest stories on it?
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ami...095722586.htmlQuote:
British boxer Amir Khan has confirmed that the fight against fellow countryman Kell Brook will never happen as he recovers from his loss against Sual 'Canelo' Alvarez. The 29-year-old was knocked out in the sixth round of their world middleweight bout which saw Mexican Alvarez retain his WBC crown.
Khan has spoken of his desire to take on WBC welterweight champion Danny Garcia who he lost to in 2012, but that match is unlikely to happen considering Garcia will be Floyd Mayweather's first choice should he make a comeback from retirement.
"Eddie Hearn (Brook's promoter) can keep saying that he's massive, he's this, he's that, he's a big name but he's not. I respect him, he's got a world title, but I want to fight the biggest names. These are the last few years of my career. I want to maximize it and leave a great legacy behind," he said as quoted by Sky Sports.
The Olympic silver medallist is not a fan of Brook, and despite the latter winning the World title in 2014, he has admitted that he does not like him.
"I don't think that fight will happen, I'll give that a miss. He's on his route, I'm on my route and we just don't agree with each other. Basically I don't like him and I'm not going to give him the fight."
The Pakistani-born British national is still keen to fight the big names in his sport, and is adamant he will not settle for anything less than the best. Khan is keen to fight someone in his own weight division, but it will be sometime before he will be seen in the ring.
"I'd like to fight in England, but I'm thinking of bringing big names (like Miguel Cotto) here. That'd be amazing, wouldn't it? Garica definitely is on top of the list, it's the easiest one to make, and it'd be a great fight for me, someone my own weight."
"(Timothy Bradley) would be an amazing fight; (Manny) Pacquiao would be an amazing fight. For sure (Pacquiao will fight again).
The harder he tries the more scared he comes across.
Unfortunately, that "bravery" is going to provide him a convenient excuse and he'll ink a few more fights against credible opponents at 147 regardless of his flaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe Khan ship has well and truly sailed, Khan said as much today.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe fact that Kell could lose and lose any bargaining power to fight Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm quite happy with that, fuck Khan. I don't buy this "Khan is so brave because he fought Canelo" bollocks either.
The money he got, none of the other WW's would've turned down either.
Khan has showed brilliant business
sense , but it doesn't make him any better a boxer.
When the aftermath of this last fight blow over, Khan will be back in the mix. The plus side is at this point Khan NEEDS to fight the other top guys at WW to stay relevant. A "comeback fight" against a scrub will serve no purpose.
His next fight will be against Brook/Thurman/Porter/Garcia/Spence/Pacquiao/Bradley. Somebody out of that bunch.
Why would it make a killing though? Brook has surely made over 75% from the last 3 gimme fights he's had, would this be that much more lucrative or just infinitely more dangerous? Why hasn't Brook fought anyone besides Shawn Porter in 12 years as a pro? I honestly don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Spence has Al Haymon/dough behind him and is building a bigger profile all the time. IF he becomes the mandatory to Brook he will be even bigger. However, Brook will be entitled to most of the pot.
Why hasn't Brook fought anyone besides Shawn Porter in 12 years as a pro? That's a bit harsh. But maybe because everyone ducks him?
Brook is a risky fight for all of the up and comers. High risk, little reward because he's not well known outside of hardcore boxing fans. Similar to what Winky Wright went through for years.
Shaping up like Jessie Vargas so far. Not exhilarating but if he's trying to collect trinkets from the bottom up, makes sense or Vargas drops it.