Andre Ward says Golovkin fight won’t ever happen
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Ward is a moron... His inactivity has proven that he doesn't want to fight at all.
it would be a good fight but Ward is hardly in a position to comment on other peoples career, he's had 5 fights in 5 years, its time for him to either shit or get off the pot, he can talk about GGG ducking him when the Kov fight is signed sealed and delivered.
Yeah the spotlight is on GGG as always but now that its on Canelo and GGG; Ward is grabbing for the light.
I hate Ward but it's absolutely hilarious to me he cleaned out 168, and wanted to fight the best at 160 before fighting the best at 175(which Ward has signed to do) and somehow he's the bad guy.
But a 34 year old guy who has fought nobody turns him down and is the good guy.
I've seen it before when PAC backed out of the Mayweather fight in 2010, and I see one clear similarity.(actually 2, as both times the guy that would have lost is the good guy that refused)
I agree that Ward is a great fighter who has proven that he will fight anyone. Have to disagree strongly with your statement that Pac backed out of the Floyd fight in 2010. I recall both fighters refusing to compromise and the fight falling apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Also, think you mischaracterize certain points in your statement. Floyd was hated because of the persona he created to promote himself and make more money, not because the a Manny fight fell through. Ward is a lot like Tim Tebow to me: a religious guy who wins and puts in honest work and is despised by many (for some unknown reason).
I don't think its a case that people despise Ward, far from it, I think people find him massively frustrating due to his lack of fights, everyone recognises that he is a massive talent but over the past few years we have just not seen that talent enough
exactly that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
This article was pathetic. The sole intention was to praise Ward by bashing Golovkin. However, he even stupidly quoted Ward saying he's too big for GGG. So what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I dont mind Ward but he didnt want to fight the best at 160. He wanted to fight the best 160 at 168.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I personally think at 160 GGG sparks Ward. And at 175 I think Kov sparks Ward. At 168 Ward beats them both.
Who is the Ward fella?
Is this the same guy that won a convoluted Super 6 tournament beating 2 grade A super middles who many in hindsight now deem to be unworthy for the Hall?
The same guy that made an 8 year 175 pounder fight him at 168?
The same guy that when he had no stars to fight at 168 went on strike?
The same guy who said after the tournament that he may have to go to 175?
The same guy that instead of calling out the 175 crowd started calling out a little middleweight by today’s standards while he was sitting out in frivolous lawsuits which he lost 3 times?
You mean that Ward?
What a frustrating fighter Ward is, he's talented but for fucks sake, he's had 29 fights and only 7 fights have been outside his home state of California and out of the 22 fights IN California 8 of those fights have been literally in his backyard! His hometown of Oakland. And of the fights away from Oakland quite a few are just an hour away in San Jose.
Sorry bud if you want to be a WORLD's champion and really be taken seriously you've got to travel!
GGG isn't the only fight out there for him, I'd like to see him fight Kovalev.
Whats that? Sorry, we can't hear you throwing your tantrum from the shadows... It's funny how after he's already been x'd out of the picture, HE'S gonna declare that someone else missed the boat. Get real. Someones cranky because that green eyed monsters taking a big wet bite out of his @$$. The guy with nothing comes out of the shadows and expects the guy with 3 titles, whos lining up to fight another belt holder at his weight, and chasing the consecutive win streak for defenses to drop everything, put on weight and take a fight a division higher so that the guy with nothing can have a shot at jumping back into the limelight and line his pockets.
Boo Hoo, someone cheated you out of a pay day to fight someone you would have had a natural advantage over. Now you really have to earn it fighting someone your own size. He makes it sound like he left 168, when he was forced out when couldn't make the weight anymore. His last fight was at 175 and the one before that was a catch weight of 172. I guess it would have been easier to sue GGG also but he he's already 0 for 2 in court. I don't think i have any respect left for this two faced BS artist....
Bye Felisha.
Ward is looking backwards still running his mouth when the real train on the track is the big smiling toothy jacklantern named Kovalev right around the corner. Action will always trump words and Ward ate more than enough jabs and looked very much human last out and better stop living off peak wins of five years ago.
Well I am glad Ward has moved on. The rest of us moved on years ago.
If Ward beats Kolovkin then he is true quality until then he is all talk.
Ward is true champ that allowed time to get in his way. He is to blame, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is a Gold Medalist Olympian that became the WBC/WBA champ that cleaned out every major SMW.
Blame is always pathetic. Looks like the whole point was exactly that and turning the brightest spotlight back onto zero action - Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThis article was pathetic. The sole intention was to praise Ward by bashing Golovkin. However, he even stupidly quoted Ward saying he's too big for GGG. So what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Cheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters? He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler. This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything. Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special. There are about 10 titles in every division.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
From 1904 to 1952 only 5 gold medalists won world titles. There was only one title in each division. Frankie Genaro, Fidel LaBarba, Jackie Fields, Pascual Perez and Floyd Patterson. Only 10 in total over the first 14 Olympic games. About 30 world titles have came from gold medalists since 1976.
Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.
Say what?!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler.
For me, the SMW division was nice. We seem to disagree, it's cool.
Beating Froch in a tournament that left who out, Bute and...? Calzaghe ruined Kessler, really?! It was a great competitive fight because the two best took each other on. Someone had to lose and they (Mikkel) wasn't ruined, beaten down, busted up.
This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything.
No division in ages...agreed to have their best fight with no catchweight, no haggling. I'm not saying 2008-2011 was the best ever, but it was Damn good. 42-1 Kessler, undefeated Andre Dirrell, Ward, Abe moving up to SMW ...not like today's GGG...He heard the big dogs coming. Maybe you felt Jermaine Taylor was done before the Super Six he lost a barn burner tko and a decision to Kelly Pavlik. Allen Green had one loss. Was he really that weak? In other words what years were the SMW bumping for you?
Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special.
Then what is special these days for you?:)
There are about 10 titles in every division.
I agree, but not sure how that diminishes Ward, without including every fighter today then has done nothing special or can ever....with as many trinket belts...as the Super Six pitted the best records, best skilled from MW to SMW...basically leaving trinket belts for an elimination tourney!!!
From 1904 to 1952 only 5 gold medalists won world titles. There was only one title in each division. Frankie Genaro, Fidel LaBarba, Jackie Fields, Pascual Perez and Floyd Patterson. Only 10 in total over the first 14 Olympic games. About 30 world titles have came from gold medalists since 1976.
Uhh...great knowledge here...
Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.
Done so little...with so much talent....man I ouhtta.....man I should.....:-X no
....ahhh can't disagree with that last part.
At all.:eek:
[QUOTE=SlimTrae;1384663]You didn't really bring anything. He won a Super 6 tournament at 168 and fought two grade A super mids so far in his career. Read it and weep.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler.
For me, the SMW division was nice. We seem to disagree, it's cool.
Beating Froch in a tournament that left who out, Bute and...? Calzaghe ruined Kessler, really?! It was a great competitive fight because the two best took each other on. Someone had to lose and they (Mikkel) wasn't ruined, beaten down, busted up.
It was ok. Not sure whats to disagree on. He fought 2 A-listers in a 168 botched tournament that was closing on 3 years to complete. Jones fought Byrd, Toney, Lucas and Sosa in one year at 168 and then went on to own 175. Why does Ward beating Froch and a Calzaghe pincushion in Kessler warrant such praise? Not sure how to respond to the doubt that Joe wrecked Kessler? Its funny how in hindsight, Froch was not even in his league so why the fuss over beating him? Whats Ward done?
This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything.
No division in ages...agreed to have their best fight with no catchweight, no haggling. I'm not saying 2008-2011 was the best ever, but it was Damn good. 42-1 Kessler, undefeated Andre Dirrell, Ward, Abe moving up to SMW ...not like today's GGG...He heard the big dogs coming. Maybe you felt Jermaine Taylor was done before the Super Six he lost a barn burner tko and a decision to Kelly Pavlik. Allen Green had one loss. Was he really that weak? In other words what years were the SMW bumping for you?
What are we talking about? There is nothing above that adds anything other then to bolster my point. Ward has done nothing except maybe parasite that gold medal. What has he done. Green. Abraham are you fucking kidding me? A super 6.... kind of wtf. It was 168 not 160 or callbacks for people to pay rent.
Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special.
Then what is special these days for you?:)
Out of context or what? Relax and consider the response. You have basically claimed that getting a gold and winning a trinket equates to something special and ignoring the details.
Just how existential would you like to get? Look I could give two shits whether Andre Ward ends up on a box of Wheaties with his USA jersey and gold medal hung around his neck. Whats he done? Who has he beat? Just the facts thank-you very much cause the rest is bullshit. Ward said he was going to be bigger then Robinson. Yeah thats pretty special.
There are about 10 titles in every division.
I agree, but not sure how that diminishes Ward, without including every fighter today then has done nothing special or can ever....with as many trinket belts...as the Super Six pitted the best records, best skilled from MW to SMW...basically leaving trinket belts for an elimination tourney!!!
It was not a 160/168 tourney and it had about 3 elite super-middleweights. It was also close to 6 years ago.Why do people continue when the jig is up? The guy has done nothing since 2011
Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.
Say what?!:mad:
Done so little...with so much talent....man I ouhtta.....man I should.....:-X no
....ahhh can't disagree with that last part.
At all.:eek:
Say that. You have offered nothing to suggest that this guy has done anything but occupy a line in a boxing almanac as a belt holer who also won Gold at the olympics. He's done nothing that sets him apart from anyone.
well thats pretty good so far, he did really dominate that tournament and to say kesler was ruined by calzaghe is being rather selective in the interpretation of the facts, he did go on to beat froch after that . Ward dominated 2 very good super middleweights and proved he was the boss at that weight, he has certainly wasted a lot of time after that but the guys record is really pretty impressive and he is on his way to fight kovalev now ... If he wins that then he will have been the boss at super middle weight and light heavy weight... I think you are being harsh on andre ward, the only flaw he has shown in his career is his love of wasting time apart from that the guy is closing in on being a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
ward was one of the best SMW ever, if not the best but he became irrelevant. he should have moved on long time ago.
Yes its ok. I have already stated that and good for him getting a gold. People need to quit acting as if he's conquered the world and is a reincarnated Ray Robinson. Like I said he's done very little with the kind of talent he had. Its a shame guys like Burley never got the opportunities this guy has had.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqwell thats pretty good so far, he did really dominate that tournament and to say kesler was ruined by calzaghe is being rather selective in the interpretation of the facts, he did go on to beat froch after that . Ward dominated 2 very good super middleweights and proved he was the boss at that weight, he has certainly wasted a lot of time after that but the guys record is really pretty impressive and he is on his way to fight kovalev now ... If he wins that then he will have been the boss at super middle weight and light heavy weight... I think you are being harsh on andre ward, the only flaw he has shown in his career is his love of wasting time apart from that the guy is closing in on being a great.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You guys continue to bring the same thing and with all due respect it simply sustains what I've said.
It was him that said he's become bigger then Ray and then take the nic SOG.
Sugar Ray Robinson would have been 95 this week.
I don't think either particularly want to fight each other.
[QUOTE=IamInuit;1384664]Yes I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeYou didn't really bring anything. He won a Super 6 tournament at 168 and fought two grade A super mids so far in his career. Read it and weep.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler.
For me, the SMW division was nice. We seem to disagree, it's cool.
Beating Froch in a tournament that left who out, Bute and...? Calzaghe ruined Kessler, really?! It was a great competitive fight because the two best took each other on. Someone had to lose and they (Mikkel) wasn't ruined, beaten down, busted up.
It was ok. Not sure whats to disagree on. He fought 2 A-listers in a 168 botched tournament that was closing on 3 years to complete. Jones fought Byrd, Toney, Lucas and Sosa in one year at 168 and then went on to own 175. Why does Ward beating Froch and a Calzaghe pincushion in Kessler warrant such praise? Not sure how to respond to the doubt that Joe wrecked Kessler? Its funny how in hindsight, Froch was not even in his league so why the fuss over beating him? Whats Ward done?
This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything.
No division in ages...agreed to have their best fight with no catchweight, no haggling. I'm not saying 2008-2011 was the best ever, but it was Damn good. 42-1 Kessler, undefeated Andre Dirrell, Ward, Abe moving up to SMW ...not like today's GGG...He heard the big dogs coming. Maybe you felt Jermaine Taylor was done before the Super Six he lost a barn burner tko and a decision to Kelly Pavlik. Allen Green had one loss. Was he really that weak? In other words what years were the SMW bumping for you?
What are we talking about? There is nothing above that adds anything other then to bolster my point. Ward has done nothing except maybe parasite that gold medal. What has he done. Green. Abraham are you fucking kidding me? A super 6.... kind of wtf. It was 168 not 160 or callbacks for people to pay rent.
Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special.
Then what is special these days for you?:)
Out of context or what? Relax and consider the response. You have basically claimed that getting a gold and winning a trinket equates to something special and ignoring the details.
Just how existential would you like to get? Look I could give two shits whether Andre Ward ends up on a box of Wheaties with his USA jersey and gold medal hung around his neck. Whats he done? Who has he beat? Just the facts thank-you very much cause the rest is bullshit. Ward said he was going to be bigger then Robinson. Yeah thats pretty special.
There are about 10 titles in every division.
I agree, but not sure how that diminishes Ward, without including every fighter today then has done nothing special or can ever....with as many trinket belts...as the Super Six pitted the best records, best skilled from MW to SMW...basically leaving trinket belts for an elimination tourney!!!
It was not a 160/168 tourney and it had about 3 elite super-middleweights. It was also close to 6 years ago.Why do people continue when the jig is up? The guy has done nothing since 2011
Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.
Say what?!:mad:
Done so little...with so much talent....man I ouhtta.....man I should.....:-X no
....ahhh can't disagree with that last part.
At all.:eek:
Say that. You have offered nothing to suggest that this guy has done anything but occupy a line in a boxing almanac as a belt holer who also won Gold at the olympics. He's done nothing that sets him apart from anyone.
I also asked what era gained your respect. Instead, you just mentioned Charley Burley and the champ who ducked him: Ray 'I'm too pretty to fight Burley' Robinson.
It's not Charley fault he hasn't accomplished anything. It's the champions of his era, white and black. Just let the great Ray fight Lamotta 4 decisions until a stoppage.
And Ward comparing himself to Ray is his comparison, not mines.
Everyone here who thinks highly of Ward's skills all seem to agree with you that he has squandered a considerable amount of time.
But it doesn't mean what he did accomplish should be denigrated. Especially when the Ward critics don't bring anything new other than opinions.
Let me put it this way. On this forum and others people have routinely dismissed both Froch and Kessler going to the Hall of Fame. But I'd wager that Ward would be voted in for beating them. Why does Ward feel it necessary to say anything? He does this because the middleweight has stolen in Wards eyes his rightful passage into the next Floyd. You can easily see the man had gifts and he squandered them. Fact of the matter is he hasn't done much. He's had an average career and is not a standout because of it. He even blew the Dawson fight by the silly meltdown just because Chad said he would. Why didn't he just jump up at take him. He could have gotten the LH title thrown in just like Leonard did. And it was Ward that said he'd most likely be going to 175 after the S-6. Why have they not agreed to a Kovalev date yet and announced it? It was supposed to be his 3rd fight on the multi=million 3 fight deal. He's a guy that has a lot to be thankful for. What gets under my skin is many of his fan base and Ward himself that continue to act as if he got the small trinket collection yesterday and that he has been a dominant force in the sport. Even the quote in the title tells one all they need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I got to give your suggestion to you: relax. (lol)It's all good.
I agree with you.:cool:
I agree, the magnitude of wards feat in winning the super 6 has and will be inflated as the details fall by the wayside. (like ward fighting every fight at home, the headbutt issues with kessler, green getting thrown into the tourney in the middle, the declaration that he wouldn't fight his friend dirrell despite both of them being in the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLet me put it this way. On this forum and others people have routinely dismissed both Froch and Kessler going to the Hall of Fame. But I'd wager that Ward would be voted in for beating them. Why does Ward feel it necessary to say anything? He does this because the middleweight has stolen in Wards eyes his rightful passage into the next Floyd. You can easily see the man had gifts and he squandered them. Fact of the matter is he hasn't done much. He's had an average career and is not a standout because of it. He even blew the Dawson fight by the silly meltdown just because Chad said he would. Why didn't he just jump up at take him. He could have gotten the LH title thrown in just like Leonard did. And it was Ward that said he'd most likely be going to 175 after the S-6. Why have they not agreed to a Kovalev date yet and announced it? It was supposed to be his 3rd fight on the multi=million 3 fight deal. He's a guy that has a lot to be thankful for. What gets under my skin is many of his fan base and Ward himself that continue to act as if he got the small trinket collection yesterday and that he has been a dominant force in the sport. Even the quote in the title tells one all they need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Ward apparently still feels like he's owed something. Despite losing in court and in the forum of public opinion, ward like mayweather and now canelo have deluded themselves into believing that their talent somehow gives them immeasurable stroke. Tyson once in the middle of all the controversy and tirades, spoke about how he could sell out an arena masturbating as opposed to his current peers. I think every one of these guys are aspiring to get to that level of draw or have convinced themselves that they already have (whether by being famous or infamous). By hook or by crook, they all want this illusion of dominance. In a sport where anything can happen and there are no guarantees, they want guarantees (even if it means dictating weight, gloves, locations etc etc). So dawson being faster than ward, punching like a light heavy was not what ward wanted. Even though he was a better boxer but not a huge puncher himself, ward still needed to take away dawson's advantages.
He felt the need to say something in order to keep the mindf*ck going that he's still in control. Through all the talk of the kovalev fight, i still think part of him was holding out hoping he'd get an easier fight against GGG with a weight advantage than a fight against kovalev while still partially rusty(hence the wait). First it was the lion share, then catch weights, then prefight stips, then the waiting game of making a person idle or take wear and tear while you get up to speed. these are the things floyd taught them while making the rest of us hate what the sport has become.
I have no problem with anyone who feels the Tourny wasn't great.
@Undisputed. You are right Green came late in the Tourny replacing Taylor... How does that lessen things? Johnson as well.
To all of Ward's critics- IMO Chad Dawson wasn't on his radar. Chad decided to drop to 168 on his own terms...and we should fault Ward for not stopping him quick enough?
Take away the label (Tourny) and we got what we cry for..the best in the division to man up. We got it... as i stated...MW to SMW...then we tore it down. Ward fights only at home. Kessler was ruined. Green may have been 26-1 but he wasn't shit.
Okay. ..
I wonder if we all have the ability to look at the downside to any fight? I would say yes.
Example..i have a Ring magazine 1985. Jake Lamotta is downing Haglar and company like we do GGG to Ward LOL!
Yeah ..said Haglar beats blown up WWs!
My point: Different era same complaints.
I have a Ring magazine ...Jack Johnson speaking with Tex Rickard not only said Joe Louis was mechanical thus predictable- he said what he was susceptible to. That year Joe got knocked out by Max... with that punch....the very eras some of us..say when boxers were real.
Were ridiculed by their predecessors.
Like Ray Robinson never haggled. .he did.
Isnt murderers row a group of ignored fighters? Like cherry picking is new.
My point. .different era same issues. Just more belts more divisions in which these shenanigans occur.
We have questioned ..not all of us...but overall. .
GGG
Kovalev
Wladimir
Ward to Wilder.
Its cool to question or doubt. .but what I'm reading on these threads.. Is basically aint nobody worth shit.
So:
Im defending Ward as a champ who cleaned his division. Be it Tourny or last man standing. Who else holds that distinction?
I dont defend his reluctance to fight today nor do I defend what he thinks of himself.
It's cool if you want to defend Ward, contrary to the way it may sound i don't think anyone is claiming ward didn't accomplish what he did. The wins are in the record book and wont be changed. The hinge of this debate for me is whether or not Ward belongs on the holier than though pedestal he perched himself on and is judging other fighters from and demonstrated by the title of thread. where he made it sound like he was waiting around for years while getting the same treatment that GGG is getting from canelo, wbc, golden boy....Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
"Why does Ward feel it necessary to say anything? He does this because the middleweight has stolen in Wards eyes his rightful passage into the next Floyd..."
"What gets under my skin is many of his fan base and Ward himself that continue to act as if he got the small trinket collection yesterday and that he has been a dominant force in the sport."
"Ward apparently still feels like he's owed something. Despite losing in court and in the forum of public opinion, ward like mayweather and now canelo have deluded themselves into believing that their talent somehow gives them immeasurable stroke"
You asked why I believe the tourney was less that it was stated because of additions of green and johnson. I believe the tourney is less than advertised. If green and Johnson were that great why weren't they seeded to begin with? As it is i understand, injuries happen and people need to be replaced. Why not create a 2 loss elimination and allow the defeated fighters to fight for a wild card spot as the replacement.
Was kesslar ruined? i wouldnt say that? but was he less than he was in his prime? sure.. but he entered the tourney anyway so that erases any excuse for me on him being devalued. But i do feel ward got away with some serious butting and bs in their match.
Also this is a tourney which was rare and a prime example of why there arent many because they rarely are ever completed without controversy. Someone always pulls out due to injury or other problems. (all that aside, bless them for making the attempt-- the most successful tourneys ive seen are the ones where all fights happen in a single night.-- usually mma or underground bareknuckle). Anyway in this tournament, Wards the only one who never had to leave home which doesn't exactly foster the spirit of competition. He had 2 fights and 2 wins and is gifted the third and deciding because or dirrells withdrawal-- someone he said he wouldn't fight even though the tournament could have deemed it necessary (then why enter if he wanted to make his own rules?). In the disbanded sense you spoke about where if these were singles matches, he cleaned out his division and would be considered the best supper middle anyway based on his victories. I agree with you there. As I said nothing about wins changes in the history books, but his claim to winner of the super six tournament was partly why he believed he should've have been getting more and have been able to break his contract. A lot of people disagreed. Me personally, I view all holdouts the same. Even thought I'm a big mikey garcia fan... you signed the contract. finish the contract. move on wiser and make better decisions.
Fans will always have something to say. Just as people will claim he shouldn't try to tear down or devalue someones accomplishments. especially for many fans who have never fought professionally. So how is it that a fighter like ward for all the accomplishments he claims to have under his belt, to throw shade at another fighter for trying to unify a division, chase a consecutive defense record which are the better accomplishments one could have in the sport... instead of blowing it all off and fighting for catchweight dollars.
Ward has always tried to spin things to his convenience and and that draws negativity. When you look at a lot of the fighters that have avoided controversy..how many have nothing to pick at?... my guess is none... and many times i believe fans are happy to ignore you and let you live with your delusion. However at the moment where you decide you want to bump your paycheck by being a polarizing figure. I think fans are all to happy to oblige you. Especially when the object of your ire, is one of the more humble, hardest workers in the sport who is honoring the sport.