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When he cant even dominate the middleweight division. I thought P4P means your skill level translates to beating up bigger guys than you like what Mayweather, Marquez, DelaHoya, Duran and Pacquiao did in their boxing career moved up in weight and dominate. I would consider Canelo a P4P guy if he beats a top supermiddlweight I guess and this applies to Golovkin too even I am biased towards him since he is one of my current faves right now.
I have no idea what the modern day interpretation/definition of that term even is and why its used to the extent it is. It’s evolved into a weird acronym or something for favourite. Its abuse is staggering. So as a fellow ginger it must be the fact that he's a red headed Mexican as to the how he is atop such a list. Now if the term meant something about actual boxing then he would not be on top of it. When they moved Gonzalez to top spot it lent some cred to it but they would have rather not I'm sure and he's also got unfinished business. But a fan favourite for sure.
The definition is MONEY. Canelo is a top $4$ guyQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
This is where I'm going wrong . I actually though it was determined by Boxing ability and what you actually do in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminThe definition is MONEY. Canelo is a top $4$ guyQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yep 100% money £4£
He is the best at the light middleweight and has dominated the weight. Canelo has won a portion of the middleweight title but other than that I have nothing to justify it.
Id question whether hes dominated the 154 division. He scraped past Lara and Trout and has avoided the Charlos, Andrade and Williams.
And Floyd dominated him at Jr Middleweight. I'd take at least 3 guys at 154 to beat him. They knew that so they hid at Caneloweight
It's the modern cronyist definition of P4P. Take a little bit of ginger so you have the repressed minority aspect, add a pinch of dumb nationalistic fervor, then add a whole bunch of crappy matchups using CW's and blown up small men with propaganda to say 'Phwoar!'. There you have your artificial contemporary P4P ranked fighter.
Canelo is smoke and mirrors. He is waiting to be Lacy'ed.
you guys are harsh on canelo, he has a glaring weakness with his lack of footspeed and isnt great at pinning the opponent down but he seems to have really good hands, a good defence and a fair bit of power too. He has also beaten a very good level of competition in recent memory, beating cotto, trout and lara is not easy. I would think he is deserving of being in a top ten p4p list right now(probably not top 5 though) also i think if he ever does fight golovkin it will be a lot closer than people think.
In my opinion he is way better than lacy .
What p4p rankings are we talking? The ones printed in Papa Oscars glamour mag??? I think they jumped the shark of credibility when Broner was ranked #5. p4p has much less to do with actual skillset and accomplishment and more to do with marketability and status.
Canelo is in my top ten guys I'd have a beer with on this site, in case you guys needed something quantifiable.
P4P has been blown out of proportion.
I interpret it as a fighter that would dominate if he weighed 140lbs or 180lbs. His skills transcend weight class.
To the boxing brethren across the pond 6 stone or 7...
BTW....what class is 6 or 7 stone?:rolleyes:
Hobbit Mathematics?Quote:
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He has wins over Cotto,Trout and Lara and those were top guys in the division how much better is anyone else name me 10 fighters with better resumes. I mean who should be above him and who has the better wins then he does at his division this is getting kinda old guys.
Plus anyhow all the the list is for is for fighters that are not heavyweights for the most part. I just base it off who they have beat at there division i mean everything else is up for debate. Look at how high ggg is and who has he beaten no great fighters but is dominate really think he should be over Ward. Besides that the list looks fine for me i be asking why the fuck is Brooks all he has is a close win over Porter and then kinda nothing really after that all the top 10 guys right now very few have great resumes at the moment.