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Thoughts on Connor Benn
He's as game as his dad was and seems to have a decent chin too and took some hard punches tonight, he looks tiny at the weight and i do worry about his power, i don't think he's got that natural KO power that Nigel had but the guy he was fighting was a brawler, never been stopped and came to fight.
That would have done Connor the world of good being in a proper tear up in only his second fight, he needs to stop rushing in and smothering his own work too, at times he was almost face to face and wasting punches, as Jim Watt pointed out when he took a step back and thought about it he was much more effective.
He's never gonna be in a boring fight thats for sure but i worry when he fights better fighters and can't bang them out like his dad could he has little else to offer, don't think he even threw a jab tonight.
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I don't think he looked any good at all? It was a tear up because he sucks, imo.
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Just to mention a controversial counter point, in Eubank JR's first few fights he was a bit feather fisted, and I did wonder, now he is a hard hitting fighter. Lets hope the Benn boy improves his delivery.
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Not sure now but his Dad was a trainer at my old gym and a few of my old sparring mates have trained and sparred with him. He goes hard all the time, even against noobs. I'm gonna join up again and see for myself. Apparently the old man is still an absolute beast on the pads as well.
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This is why I don't think he should have been fast tracked onto sky.
People are questioning his power, technique and size after his second pro fight and his 3rd is PPV, it's fucking crazy.
The amount of pressure that he is under must be immense, but I do agree with everyone about the power/technique he has a lot of things to work on.
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This is why I don't think he should have been fast tracked onto sky.
People are questioning his power, technique and size after his second pro fight and his 3rd is PPV, it's fucking crazy.
The amount of pressure that he is under must be immense, but I do agree with everyone about the power/technique he has a lot of things to work on.
I question the quality he's been brought up against as well. If I could pretty much choose anywhere in the world to raise a son in boxing it definitely wouldn't be Sydney.
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He is very raw time will tell he is a bit open to counters, if he carries on winning could be a exciting addition to the division.
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I'm not impressed with Conor Benn at all and I'm taken into account that this is only his second pro fight and he had a limited amateur career. He's seems to be an emotional fighter. He didno't control the range. The other guy just marched in because he did not respect his power. To be honest unless they have very cautious matchmaking plan. I think he'll struggle to get 12-0
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In fairness to the kid, I do think that a few people may be jumping on him for performances so far. There's no doubt his trainer will be hard at work getting him to work on techniques not to get drawn into that kind of tear-up unless he wants to.
He may never be the kind of world class as Mayweather is, but I don't think we can completely discount him either.
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In fairness to the kid, I do think that a few people may be jumping on him for performances so far. There's no doubt his trainer will be hard at work getting him to work on techniques not to get drawn into that kind of tear-up unless he wants to.
He may never be the kind of world class as Mayweather is, but I don't think we can completely discount him either.
He shows absolutely no ability to avoid such tear ups though. I agree completely he could improve as any novice can, but he shouldn't be getting televised slots if they are serious about turning him into a decent boxer. He has literally everything to work on, and the name recognition isn't really an excuse to fast track him considering. Even Chavez Jr had a bunch of fights before he was on TV, and it probably made the difference between him being pretty good and a tomato can.
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In fairness to the kid, I do think that a few people may be jumping on him for performances so far. There's no doubt his trainer will be hard at work getting him to work on techniques not to get drawn into that kind of tear-up unless he wants to.
He may never be the kind of world class as Mayweather is, but I don't think we can completely discount him either.
He shows absolutely no ability to avoid such tear ups though. I agree completely he could improve as any novice can, but he shouldn't be getting televised slots if they are serious about turning him into a decent boxer. He has literally everything to work on, and the name recognition isn't really an excuse to fast track him considering. Even Chavez Jr had a bunch of fights before he was on TV, and it probably made the difference between him being pretty good and a tomato can.
No doubt he has a lot of work to do if he intends to be a professional boxer, but I don't think we can dispute that he is in entertaining fights so far. Hopefully, those guiding him will start to get him focusing on how to avoid those tear-ups, and how to avoid getting caught.
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I don't get how he can be in a top stable yet get in the ring to be that wild. He does the same in the sparring footage so you would've thought they would knock that out of him (not that I know the fuck about training a fighter).
Him and his dad keep saying he needs to be his own man yet he clearly is trying to be his dad.
Difference is - his dad comes from a London council estate, was in the army, had extensive amateur experience and chilling natural power (at middleweight). Young Benn was born with a silverspoon in his gob.
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Lots of good replies in this thread. He seems to be lacking technique and power. He looks like he's going to eat a lot of shots as well just with the face first style. I'm not expecting him to do as well as his dad. Maybe more amateur experience then some off grid low key pro fights before the hype started would have been good for him. Might struggle even to get to British title level.
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Connor fights like his dad but does not have the punch power to carry it off or be as successful as his dad.
Connor must change his style and add more variety to his game.
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I think you are all being very harsh. Hes only 19 so would expect him to grow and get stronger over the next few years. His dad debut was at 24 or something like that when he already had his man power. I agree he looks raw but I definitely see potential there. With regards him going pro now rather than staying in the amateurs I dont think it was a wise decision regarding his career but there seems to be a bubble in boxing at the moment (particularly in the UK) and he may have seen now the best time to cash in on his name. Someone questioned whether hed make 12-0. He may have made enough money to retire comfortably by then.
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Just to mention a controversial counter point, in Eubank JR's first few fights he was a bit feather fisted, and I did wonder, now he is a hard hitting fighter. Lets hope the Benn boy improves his delivery.
Is Jnr a 'Hard hitting fighter' He hit Spike and Blackwell with everything and neither took a count.
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Connor fights like his dad in his wild years however Nigel was throwing A-BOMBS , Connor is throwing handfuls of gravel.
Power will be a problem for his camp.
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I think he's vastly improved and is looking better and better. He's stopped trying to be his dad, boxes his way in nice and has terrific natural fluidity when letting his punches go. He's waffling about emulating fighters like Loma now - instead of tear-up merchants - so the penny has apparently dropped.
Now obviously his level of competition hasn't gone up that much, however, he's totally outclassing these guys now without putting a foot wrong or giving them a look in, which you would expect of any good prospect.
If he wasn't Benn's son, with Hearn and SKY you'd have to be a serious petty/jealous bastard to not be impressed.
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Yeah he looked good. The right hander that he walked him into that started everything going was a beaut. That second knockdown was savage, should have been over then.
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I said in the fight thread that Connor looked good and much improved, he's come a long way in a short space of time, he looked very poor when he made his debut but that is what you get when you make your debut with no amateur experience behind you.
I also said in the fight thread that it is hard to believe that he has only had 9 fights, I've just watched an interview where they are asking him about what he is learning from these fights and when is he going to step up, Connor said he isn't learning anything from them but at the same time you can't put him in with a 28 year old who is fully developed and experienced.
He's still a baby but he is certainly improving fast, still a long way to go.
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Look at his dad's boxing record he fought every month, sometimes twice in a month, at the start of his career. Insane nowadays.
Wonder if Conor does not spar like his dad did? Insane nowadays.
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So far so good. Needs to be his own fighter. He feels obliged to bring excitement - tough act to follow
What would we give for another Nigel Benn
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
His dad had brutal power and maybe it is a good thing that Conor does not. It will allow him to develop his other skills and not rely on knockouts. At the highest level he will need those skills so maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
His dad had brutal power and maybe it is a good thing that Conor does not. It will allow him to develop his other skills and not rely on knockouts. At the highest level he will need those skills so maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did.
I doubt it. He’ll be British and commonwealth champion but that’ll be his limit. I can’t see him winning the European title let alone a world title, I expect to see him taking a lot of punishment when he steps up.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
His dad had brutal power and maybe it is a good thing that Conor does not. It will allow him to develop his other skills and not rely on knockouts. At the highest level he will need those skills so maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did.
I doubt it. He’ll be British and commonwealth champion but that’ll be his limit. I can’t see him winning the European title let alone a world title, I expect to see him taking a lot of punishment when he steps up.
I think he will go further, with all due respect to Sam Eggington, if he can be European champion then Conor can too especially with sky backing him and his dad's name.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
His dad had brutal power and maybe it is a good thing that Conor does not. It will allow him to develop his other skills and not rely on knockouts. At the highest level he will need those skills so maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did.
I doubt it. He’ll be British and commonwealth champion but that’ll be his limit. I can’t see him winning the European title let alone a world title, I expect to see him taking a lot of punishment when he steps up.
I think he will go further, with all due respect to Sam Eggington, if he can be European champion then Conor can too especially with sky backing him and his dad's name.
He’s had nine fights at a really low level so it’s a bit early to be talking European honours. Let’s see him in a competitive fight.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
What would be left? A fucking massive heart and fearless desire. Don't underestimate that mate.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
What would be left? A fucking massive heart and fearless desire. Don't underestimate that mate.
People overrate Benn’s heart, the man quit twice against Collins (from what I remember) whereas his rival Eubank had far more heart going to war with Carl Thompson twice! People overlook the heart and chin of Chris to suck off Benn who got banged out by both Eubank and Watson in his prime. Benn was the Black Gatti.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
His dad had brutal power and maybe it is a good thing that Conor does not. It will allow him to develop his other skills and not rely on knockouts. At the highest level he will need those skills so maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did.
I doubt it. He’ll be British and commonwealth champion but that’ll be his limit. I can’t see him winning the European title let alone a world title, I expect to see him taking a lot of punishment when he steps up.
I think he will go further, with all due respect to Sam Eggington, if he can be European champion then Conor can too especially with sky backing him and his dad's name.
He’s had nine fights at a really low level so it’s a bit early to be talking European honours. Let’s see him in a competitive fight.
Likewise it is too early to say he will not be world class.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
His dad had brutal power and maybe it is a good thing that Conor does not. It will allow him to develop his other skills and not rely on knockouts. At the highest level he will need those skills so maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did.
I doubt it. He’ll be British and commonwealth champion but that’ll be his limit. I can’t see him winning the European title let alone a world title, I expect to see him taking a lot of punishment when he steps up.
I think he will go further, with all due respect to Sam Eggington, if he can be European champion then Conor can too especially with sky backing him and his dad's name.
He’s had nine fights at a really low level so it’s a bit early to be talking European honours. Let’s see him in a competitive fight.
Agreed. @Master, you are KING of the over the top reactions ! ;D
1. "maybe Conor acheives more than his dad did" no disrespect to the kid, but not a chance in hell. Even you don't think so because you're talking E curopean titles.
2. "Conor can progress because of his Dad's name" This is real life mate, not Rocky. His name can open some doors at the start of his career, but as you progress, it's all down to being good enough. You still have to win the fights.
I like Conor Benn. I think he's got good people around him, his Dad is correctly leaving it to those people to guide him with just the right amount of involvement. (Christopher "English" Livingstone take note.)
He's been lucky to be on some great bills and the experience will do him good. He's improving, but just let him move at a steady pace. He doesn't need the "next big thing" pressure just yet.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
What would be left? A fucking massive heart and fearless desire. Don't underestimate that mate.
People overrate Benn’s heart, the man quit twice against Collins (from what I remember) whereas his rival Eubank had far more heart going to war with Carl Thompson twice! People overlook the heart and chin of Chris to suck off Benn who got banged out by both Eubank and Watson in his prime. Benn was the Black Gatti.
Of course it's a piece of piss getting hammered and literally knocked out of the ring in the first round by someone perceived as one of the World's most fearsome brutal fighters at the time, and coming back and literally fighting yourself to a standstill to beat him.
It's obviously absolutely horrific what happened to McLellan , but that fight took a helluva lot out of Benn as well. He was never the same after that, and Collins just picked his moments against Benn and Eubank.
I don't remember comparing his heart to Eubank's .Everybody knows Eubank had heart, but Benn definitely won the second fight between them!
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
What would be left? A fucking massive heart and fearless desire. Don't underestimate that mate.
People overrate Benn’s heart, the man quit twice against Collins (from what I remember) whereas his rival Eubank had far more heart going to war with Carl Thompson twice! People overlook the heart and chin of Chris to suck off Benn who got banged out by both Eubank and Watson in his prime. Benn was the Black Gatti.
Benn beating GMan overides anything Eubank did
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GaMo
He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
What would be left? A fucking massive heart and fearless desire. Don't underestimate that mate.
People overrate Benn’s heart, the man quit twice against Collins (from what I remember) whereas his rival Eubank had far more heart going to war with Carl Thompson twice! People overlook the heart and chin of Chris to suck off Benn who got banged out by both Eubank and Watson in his prime. Benn was the Black Gatti.
Benn beating GMan overides anything Eubank did
Eubank knocked out Benn and he also knocked out Watson (who also beat Benn) Benn’s win over the G-Man is impressive but he got away with a lot of rabbit punching and other fouls in that fight. It was an accidental head butt that appeared to start the trouble but I’m sure the punches to the back of his neck didn’t help.
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He doesn’t punch like his dad. He’s had nine fights at a very low level and has already been the distance twice. The stoppages he has scored have been TKO’s so he’s no puncher and if you took away his dads power what would really be left? He’s not one for the future.
What would be left? A fucking massive heart and fearless desire. Don't underestimate that mate.
People overrate Benn’s heart, the man quit twice against Collins (from what I remember) whereas his rival Eubank had far more heart going to war with Carl Thompson twice! People overlook the heart and chin of Chris to suck off Benn who got banged out by both Eubank and Watson in his prime. Benn was the Black Gatti.
Benn beating GMan overides anything Eubank did
Eubank knocked out Benn and he also knocked out Watson (who also beat Benn) Benn’s win over the G-Man is impressive but he got away with a lot of rabbit punching and other fouls in that fight. It was an accidental head butt that appeared to start the trouble but I’m sure the punches to the back of his neck didn’t help.
This all started by you saying "without his power, Benn had little else." And because you're WRONG, you've deflected it into a Benn/Eubank debate and choosing to denigrate one of the finest victories of any British fighter versus an American.
Whatever floats your boat kid.:appl:
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Well of course I’m going to compare him to his rivals to prove my point :confused: especially a man he fought twice and shared a number of common opponents with...
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Well of course I’m going to compare him to his rivals to prove my point :confused: especially a man he fought twice and shared a number of common opponents with...
re your earlier comment how can you doubt Benn's heart
He was decked several times, or in trouble and came back to win - ever seen the Logan fight ?
Admittedly the Collins fights were a sad end to his career but he didn't have it any more, he shouldhave had one more easy one after the G-Man fight and said goodbye
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And he wouldn't have ducked anyone if the fight could be made
I always remember Eubank saying he wouldn't take the Jones fight if he couldn't see a way of winning
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Comparing Eubank will never prove that Benn did or didn't have heart. Nobody is disputing anything about Eubank , it's about Benn. All this quit bollocks, are you telling me every fighter who gets KO'd or stopped is a quitter, and has no heart? It's ridiculous.
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Whilst it's all a load of bollocks. By the man's own definition, Eubank quit in the Thompson fight.
If by your definition of quit you mean an old man who simply cant take any more, you're going to be adding a whole lot more names to your list, better fighters than Nigel Benn or Chris Eubank. See Manny Pacquiao's 'purple patch' in his career for about half a dozen for starters.
