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Professional boxers in Olympics is a bad idea, say fighters
This is pathetic (imo) and shouldn't have been allowed. However, i'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be fascinated to see a top class pro competing.
Professional boxers in Olympics is a bad idea, say fighters, others
Lennox Lewis: "Olympic boxing is built for amateurs and is the highest achievement you can get, alongside being world amateur champion. All of a sudden you could have a scenario where someone like former world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko, who won Olympic gold in Atlanta and has so much experience, could go up against a kid of 18 who has had just 10 fights."
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.: "Professional versus amateur boxers is a real crime. It is attacking the very roots of boxing. It endangers the lives and careers of young talented [amateur\ boxers."
Larry Holmes: "Amateurs should not fight professionals. It won't be a fair fight. I would not do it. Removing the headgear from amateurs is a huge mistake. The idea is to make boxing safer, not to let them get hurt due to commercial interests."
Carl Frampton: "Pro boxers being allowed to fight in Olympics is ridiculous. They're two different sports. It's like a badminton player playing tennis. AIBA have got worse since I was an amateur, and that's hard to believe. What about the amateurs who've been dreaming of the Olympics for years, have yet to qualify and some pro takes their spot at the last minute?"
Ricky Hatton: "What are AIBA thinking? Goodbye amateur boxing now, as far as I'm concerned. Can't say I'm a fan of this."
David Haye: "All it's going to take is one 17-year-old kid from Sweden fighting an American 30-year-old current world champion, puts the poor kid into a coma and then everyone will ask: 'Why did you allow that to happen?' Obviously, it is a contact sport, so why would you allow that 17-year-old boy to fight this 30-year-old man who has already won the Olympics 10 years ago? What's the point?"
Badou Jack: "I fought in the Olympics eight years ago. You cannot allow fights between professionals or world champions and young amateur fighters. That would be a big risk."
Erik Morales: "As an amateur, you are in a learning stage. At the end of the day, amateur fighters are not familiar on what professional boxing is. That would be a great disadvantage to happen in the Olympics. They don't have the skills, the training [or] experience. I don't understand this. Professionals have a lot of advantages over amateurs."
Some promoters also weighed in.
Rodney Berman: "Pro boxers at the Olympics? About as stupid as it gets."
Lou DiBella: "AIBA is a disgrace."
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Khan thinks it's a good idea though. Just about sums the cunt up really!
Maybe he'll fight at HW for another circus show.
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the craziest sports decision I have ever heard
Lewis said something about put me in with an amateur in my prime and them with no headgear and it ends badly - sums it up
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Allow me to play Devil's Advocate
I think it might be just the kind of shake up the sport needs....if professionals are allowed in the Olympics (which is allowed for other sports: soccer, basketball, hockey, tennis, volleyball, cycling etc) it might stir up some interest in that there will be no money prize (not that would compete with a professional purse I am certain), but there will be the prize of gold. When promoters keep the biggest fights from happening until nobody cares anymore, an Olympic style tournament is a fucking brilliant idea! Let's say GGG was in the Olympics and Andre Ward was in the Olympics....all one would have to do in order to get them to fight each other is for them to be in the same amateur weight class and boom fight MADE.
People are viewing this like amateur boxers would even make the Olympic teams if professionals were allowed to box....would an amateur make an U-23 side that are going to the Olympics for soccer? Would an amateur make the US basketball team? Would an amateur make the Canadian hockey team? It's highly doubtful! Now SOME nations might send some young kids to the games, but fucking Christ sakes man Felix Savon was in his 30's and battering teenagers at the Olympics what's the difference with allowing a professional?
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in general terms, it sounds a bit silly
BUT .... truly elite amateur boxers, who have mastered the pace of fighting fewer rounds, the scoring system and tactics, plus the very different refereeing - and who have been doing it for years - would beat most pros at this game
We are acting like they would be pissed on or killed. That's pretty disrespectful to amateur boxing. I think most medals would be won by amateurs
Does anyone really think that the likes of Teofilio Stevenson or Felix Savon would have been cannon fodder for a pro back in the day?
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One thing I do think is most professionals won't be able to stay on the weight for any period of time, and they won't be used to fighting every other day.
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This will be Floyd’s next move. Now that it’s been approved that he may fight that ufc guy Megregor and it will count as #50, he can shelf that and now go get the gold he didn’t win, get paid 30 million and have a 3 rounder count as his 50th.;D
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Agree with you on that though Lyle yes - if other sports are doing it then boxing shouldn't be any different
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Agree with you on that though Lyle yes - if other sports are doing it then boxing shouldn't be any different
Boxing kind of stands alone in comparison to other sports does it not? And for a litany of reasons no?
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Jeff Powell has got a few badly wrong recently (exclusively announced Floyd versus Khan a while ago) but he gets it right here:
Wu Ching-kuo's decision to let professionals compete at Rio could be deadly... there is genuine danger * | Daily Mail Online
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Audley Harrison was 29 when he won Gold in Sydney, Povetkin was 25 when he won in Athens, Roberto Cammarelle was 28 when he won Gold in 2008, Anthony Joshua was 23 when he won in 2012.....the guys fighting at this level aren't all that young or inexperienced.
Also think about this, guys like Mike Tyson (of all people) missed out on the Olympics for Henry fucking Tillman....it's a different style, it's a different scoring system.
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They are taking out amateur wrestling and now want to introduce professional boxers into the amateurs. The Olympics are starting to suck worst and worst. Also if an amateur beats a champion does that now put them as the number 1 contender when they turn pro? I guess it also leaves the door open for say a Mayweather or Con to finally get the gold which eluded them the 1st time around.
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It doesn't matter if they let NBA players into the olympics to toy with countries that don't have any good players, nobody is getting hurt. Ditto for any other game. I don't follow amateur boxing or know the qualifying format and such, but seems there could be no way to ensure that you weren't ending up with the mismatches people are worried about, right? Some countries don't even have any solid pros, maybe just some young kids trying to make it there. Cuba has always been different because their best fighters often practically had to stay in the am's, it was their only good life and career choice.
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Cuba has always been different because their best fighters often practically had to stay in the am's, it was their only good life and career choice.
Often? Try ALWAYS, and USSR very same and China very same (with subtle changes recently).
As for no one is getting hurt...basketball is a non-contact sport, try something a bit more physical...are amateurs allowed in/competitive in Olympic Hockey? Are people being hurt there? Are amateur boxers guaranteed to be safe without adding professionals in?
I think the main issue everyone is missing is that there would be more eyes on Olympic boxing if professionals were involved and when you're attempting to grow a sport this could help the product.....it would definitely help out the United States' boxing program, imagine it, amateurs getting to learn from professionals, professional trainers, professional sponsors....I fail to see the downside other than the "we don't want a 16 year old fighting his first fight against a 32 year old current title holder" which I'm sorry is a bogus claim, amateur boxing wouldn't allow that fight to take place.
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p4pking
Cuba has always been different because their best fighters often practically had to stay in the am's, it was their only good life and career choice.
Often? Try ALWAYS, and USSR very same and China very same (with subtle changes recently).
As for no one is getting hurt...basketball is a non-contact sport, try something a bit more physical...are amateurs allowed in/competitive in Olympic Hockey? Are people being hurt there? Are amateur boxers guaranteed to be safe without adding professionals in?
I think the main issue everyone is missing is that there would be more eyes on Olympic boxing if professionals were involved and when you're attempting to grow a sport this could help the product.....it would definitely help out the United States' boxing program, imagine it, amateurs getting to learn from professionals, professional trainers, professional sponsors....I fail to see the downside other than the "we don't want a 16 year old fighting his first fight against a 32 year old current title holder" which I'm sorry is a bogus claim, amateur boxing wouldn't allow that fight to take place.
I said often because some Cubans have defected in recent years, understand that stuff. Yes hockey is rough of course, but it's still not the sole object of the game to hurt the other players, and there are a far greater number of elite pros compared to boxing, as there is in any team sport. It's also a pretty limited number of countries that typically do well, if Russia was set to play Fiji I wouldn't be terribly interested in that either, but boxing is very international. I said I don't follow the amateurs so I'm pleading ignorance here, but how could they simply "not allow" fights to take place, if that's otherwise how the format would work? Doesn't that just cause more problems? Would they make an established pro exempt from having to qualify the way anyone else would, etc?
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What successful professional making top dollar defending against mediocre or not so mediocre pros would want to lose career time and momentum, real network exposure or run the risk of coming up short vs a novice in a system that we already know is broken and counts punches like a cup of pennies being dumped into a coinstar machine. It sounds like a gimmick short cut move to pump up the amateur program instead of fixing its shortcomings and investing in it. Not to mention it's like bringing in ringers and the kids just finding their way and hitting puberty are put on the back burner. Remember when the seniors crashed your jr. high graduation party ;D. Just think there has to be a separation and the last thing we need is more mix of amateur style-approach and influence on the pro ring if you ask me. For every Lomanchenko there is a boat load of Howard Davis jr..rip man..that never left the dock.
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Khan thinks it's a good idea though. Just about sums the cunt up really!
Maybe he'll fight at HW for another circus show.
Agreed. I saw the khan thread before this one.
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The whole Olympic ethos has been sold down the river. It's a dumb idea and pretty indefensible. Everything of value seems to have been sacrificed and replaced by money, the most token of symbols. Apples and Oranges.
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Why would a professional want to ruin a future champion's coming out party by derailing his dream? The amateur is working his way up the ladder and the pro has already been there and now because he didn't do well as a pro he wants to set things straight by recreating memory lane? So what's Khan's excuse? Pros are going backward in time? There was a weekly comedy show about a man and wife with three boys and the youngest boy was jealous that he would not receive his big share of attention now that the new baby, a boy is arriving in a week. One of the older brothers told him that he would have the honor of protecting him and have him under his wing. The little guy said,"Oh boy I get to kick butt," Does that remind you of anyone?
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I think that most prime fighters do it, but many people at the end of their careers would. Someone like wlad could decide at this stage that he is about to retire anyways so he might as well fight in the Olympics to finish off his career.
There is a difference between amateurs and pro. Professionals train as a job. Most amateurs do it on the side. Also, even the amateurs that train a lot like ones from Cuba, they aren't training their punching power. Imagine Tyson who didn't make the Olympics decides to enter them in 2000. If he fought some kid from Finland, he may do serious damage. He wouldn't just be taking up points. He would put everything he had on those punches.
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Randall Bailey Olympic Gold Medalist.
It has a certain ring to it lol
No doubt some pros will get outboxed and out worked, but I think pros with real punching power will have a HUGE advantage and an amateur kid could get hurt.
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Golovkin and Ward can fight for millions in a pro ring or a shiny medal at the olympics. Wonder what they'd choose :D
Even if it forced pros together it wouldn't mean nothing as they're 3 round fights.
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p4pking
I said often because some Cubans have defected in recent years, understand that stuff. Yes hockey is rough of course, but it's still not the sole object of the game to hurt the other players, and there are a far greater number of elite pros compared to boxing, as there is in any team sport. It's also a pretty limited number of countries that typically do well, if Russia was set to play Fiji I wouldn't be terribly interested in that either, but boxing is very international. I said I don't follow the amateurs so I'm pleading ignorance here, but how could they simply "not allow" fights to take place, if that's otherwise how the format would work? Doesn't that just cause more problems? Would they make an established pro exempt from having to qualify the way anyone else would, etc?
OK, follow me on this ....Felix Savon WAS a "professional amateur boxer" the same way that the USSR had "professional amateur hockey players". Those guys never had jobs outside of their sports, they never wanted for anything, they were housed, they were fed, they were allowed to train 24/7 and focus on their respective sports, they were given the best equipment, the best coaches none of which THEY had to pay for.....how is that not "professional"?!?!?! What is that if not the life of a professional athlete???
Think about this for a second, there's no threshold for professional boxers, Mullet Boxer wasn't an amateur boxer, why allow guys who can't even fight to box professionally without headgear, without a referee who is legitimately focused on safety first?
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El Kabong
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p4pking
I said often because some Cubans have defected in recent years, understand that stuff. Yes hockey is rough of course, but it's still not the sole object of the game to hurt the other players, and there are a far greater number of elite pros compared to boxing, as there is in any team sport. It's also a pretty limited number of countries that typically do well, if Russia was set to play Fiji I wouldn't be terribly interested in that either, but boxing is very international. I said I don't follow the amateurs so I'm pleading ignorance here, but how could they simply "not allow" fights to take place, if that's otherwise how the format would work? Doesn't that just cause more problems? Would they make an established pro exempt from having to qualify the way anyone else would, etc?
OK, follow me on this ....Felix Savon WAS a "professional amateur boxer" the same way that the USSR had "professional amateur hockey players". Those guys never had jobs outside of their sports, they never wanted for anything, they were housed, they were fed, they were allowed to train 24/7 and focus on their respective sports, they were given the best equipment, the best coaches none of which THEY had to pay for.....how is that not "professional"?!?!?! What is that if not the life of a professional athlete???
Think about this for a second, there's no threshold for professional boxers, Mullet Boxer wasn't an amateur boxer, why allow guys who can't even fight to box professionally without headgear, without a referee who is legitimately focused on safety first?
What is all the ?!?!?!?! about? Cubans and Soviet Russians who never wanted for anything, is that a joke;D I get your point about the coaching, equipment and caliber of a select few guys, but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money? The fact they couldn't is inherently about as unprofessional as it gets. I googled it out of curiosity, and Telifio Stevenson and Savon were as far as I can tell the only boxers to ever medal in more than one olympics. Outside of Cuba and perhaps Russia, there are virtually no boxers to even compete more than once.
Of course there are terrible pros and mismatches happen all day, many commissions are woefully incompetent, but in theory they are still there to put a stop to that. The amateurs have tournaments where you may fight anyone and have to qualify that way.
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I dont think its a good idea.
But I dont think its dangerous for the amateurs. If you have qualified for the olympics you are an extremely skilled fight and know what you are doing. Its also only a 3 round fight.
As I have said before I dont think the pros that go to olympics will do well. Having to make weight for a week of qualifying and then for 2 weeks for the competition itself will not suit them at all. Theres a lot of very experienced and skilled Cuban fighters that I believe would make pros look silly over 3 rounds.
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What is all the ?!?!?!?! about? Cubans and Soviet Russians who never wanted for anything, is that a joke;D I get your point about the coaching, equipment and caliber of a select few guys, but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money? The fact they couldn't is inherently about as unprofessional as it gets. I googled it out of curiosity, and Telifio Stevenson and Savon were as far as I can tell the only boxers to ever medal in more than one olympics. Outside of Cuba and perhaps Russia, there are virtually no boxers to even compete more than once.
Of course there are terrible pros and mismatches happen all day, many commissions are woefully incompetent, but in theory they are still there to put a stop to that. The amateurs have tournaments where you may fight anyone and have to qualify that way.
Just so we are clear you're saying that earning money makes you a professional rather than having a sport as your vocation (which is what Stevenson and Savon did)? I know PLENTY of "professional boxers" who have jobs outside the ring. Remember that Glen Johnson was still working outside of boxing (construction I believe) before RJJ fought him which allowed for Glen to focus solely on boxing.
As for your question "but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money?", Teofilo Stevenson at least was a true Commie scoffing at the idea of fighting Ali saying: "What good is 1 million dollars compared to the love of 8 million Cubans?"....the government subsidizes those athletes in a manner which is as professional as you can get!
Felix Savon was able to JUST BOX....how many US amateurs are able to do that? How many British amateurs are able to do that? If they want to allow pros to fight in the Olympics then go ahead, it'll only make the Golden Gloves and Goodwill Games the new must have prizes for the amateurs. Guillermo Rigondeaux won 2 Gold medals, Lazlo Papp won 3 Olympic Gold medals, Vasyl Lomachenko won 2 Gold medals, Zou Shimming won 2 Gold medals and 1 Bronze medal, Paddy Barnes won 2 Bronze medals, Artur Olech won 2 Silver medals, Maikro Romero won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Istvan Kovacs won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Mario Kindelan won 2 Gold medals, Jerzy Kulej won 2 Gold medals, Hector Vinent won 2 Gold medals, Roniel Iglesias won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Oleg Saitov won 2 Gold medals, Juan Hernandez Sierra won 2 Silver medals, Ariel Hernandez won 2 Gold medals, Zbigniew Pietrzykowski won 1 Silver and 1 Bronze medal, Soren Peterson won 2 Silver medals....it happens quite a bit actually.
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p4pking
What is all the ?!?!?!?! about? Cubans and Soviet Russians who never wanted for anything, is that a joke;D I get your point about the coaching, equipment and caliber of a select few guys, but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money? The fact they couldn't is inherently about as unprofessional as it gets. I googled it out of curiosity, and Telifio Stevenson and Savon were as far as I can tell the only boxers to ever medal in more than one olympics. Outside of Cuba and perhaps Russia, there are virtually no boxers to even compete more than once.
Of course there are terrible pros and mismatches happen all day, many commissions are woefully incompetent, but in theory they are still there to put a stop to that. The amateurs have tournaments where you may fight anyone and have to qualify that way.
Just so we are clear you're saying that earning money makes you a professional rather than having a sport as your vocation (which is what Stevenson and Savon did)? I know PLENTY of "professional boxers" who have jobs outside the ring. Remember that Glen Johnson was still working outside of boxing (construction I believe) before RJJ fought him which allowed for Glen to focus solely on boxing.
As for your question
"but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money?", Teofilo Stevenson at least was a true Commie scoffing at the idea of fighting Ali saying: "What good is 1 million dollars compared to the love of 8 million Cubans?"....the government subsidizes those athletes in a manner which is as professional as you can get!
Felix Savon was able to JUST BOX....how many US amateurs are able to do that? How many British amateurs are able to do that? If they want to allow pros to fight in the Olympics then go ahead, it'll only make the Golden Gloves and Goodwill Games the new must have prizes for the amateurs. Guillermo Rigondeaux won 2 Gold medals, Lazlo Papp won 3 Olympic Gold medals, Vasyl Lomachenko won 2 Gold medals, Zou Shimming won 2 Gold medals and 1 Bronze medal, Paddy Barnes won 2 Bronze medals, Artur Olech won 2 Silver medals, Maikro Romero won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Istvan Kovacs won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Mario Kindelan won 2 Gold medals, Jerzy Kulej won 2 Gold medals, Hector Vinent won 2 Gold medals, Roniel Iglesias won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Oleg Saitov won 2 Gold medals, Juan Hernandez Sierra won 2 Silver medals, Ariel Hernandez won 2 Gold medals, Zbigniew Pietrzykowski won 1 Silver and 1 Bronze medal, Soren Peterson won 2 Silver medals....it happens quite a bit actually.
We are never going to be clear if you keep moving the goal posts;D. Most pros don't make any money, but they have the opportunity to, if they are good enough! Amateurs may get sponsorship or kickbacks from their commie governments, but I don't see how you can say that's akin to being a pro, they still don't have the right to negotiate and demand their market value. I suspect this being the case will make this argument a moot point as very few pros will show any interest in going to the olympics unless they are near the end of their earning potential. Didn't realize Rigo and Loma had medaled more than once but it makes sense with their age. I'm sure they are happy to have turned pro and made a better living as well.
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El Kabong
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p4pking
What is all the ?!?!?!?! about? Cubans and Soviet Russians who never wanted for anything, is that a joke;D I get your point about the coaching, equipment and caliber of a select few guys, but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money? The fact they couldn't is inherently about as unprofessional as it gets. I googled it out of curiosity, and Telifio Stevenson and Savon were as far as I can tell the only boxers to ever medal in more than one olympics. Outside of Cuba and perhaps Russia, there are virtually no boxers to even compete more than once.
Of course there are terrible pros and mismatches happen all day, many commissions are woefully incompetent, but in theory they are still there to put a stop to that. The amateurs have tournaments where you may fight anyone and have to qualify that way.
Just so we are clear you're saying that earning money makes you a professional rather than having a sport as your vocation (which is what Stevenson and Savon did)? I know PLENTY of "professional boxers" who have jobs outside the ring. Remember that Glen Johnson was still working outside of boxing (construction I believe) before RJJ fought him which allowed for Glen to focus solely on boxing.
As for your question
"but you seriously don't think they would have rather earned some real money?", Teofilo Stevenson at least was a true Commie scoffing at the idea of fighting Ali saying: "What good is 1 million dollars compared to the love of 8 million Cubans?"....the government subsidizes those athletes in a manner which is as professional as you can get!
Felix Savon was able to JUST BOX....how many US amateurs are able to do that? How many British amateurs are able to do that? If they want to allow pros to fight in the Olympics then go ahead, it'll only make the Golden Gloves and Goodwill Games the new must have prizes for the amateurs. Guillermo Rigondeaux won 2 Gold medals, Lazlo Papp won 3 Olympic Gold medals, Vasyl Lomachenko won 2 Gold medals, Zou Shimming won 2 Gold medals and 1 Bronze medal, Paddy Barnes won 2 Bronze medals, Artur Olech won 2 Silver medals, Maikro Romero won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Istvan Kovacs won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Mario Kindelan won 2 Gold medals, Jerzy Kulej won 2 Gold medals, Hector Vinent won 2 Gold medals, Roniel Iglesias won 1 Gold and 1 Bronze medal, Oleg Saitov won 2 Gold medals, Juan Hernandez Sierra won 2 Silver medals, Ariel Hernandez won 2 Gold medals, Zbigniew Pietrzykowski won 1 Silver and 1 Bronze medal, Soren Peterson won 2 Silver medals....it happens quite a bit actually.
Just with regards how many British/US amateurs can just box. Quite a lot of them I would say. Huge investments have gon into amateur boxing. In Ireland if you are a top amateur boxer and train in the high performance unit you get funding as you say and these guys wouldnt have other jobs (theyd get extra funds through sponsorships etc. Also with the WSB and APB you get paid per fight. This would be similar in a lot of countries. I know that Azerbaijan has spent a fortune investing in amateur boxing. Couldnt comment on the US lads but I would imagine a lot of them wouldnt have other jobs.
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Kabong has revealed that he doesn't see any difference between boxing, a sport where your goal is to inflict damage on and in many cases KO your opponent, and every other Olympic sport.
He's clearly not very bright.
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Kabong has revealed that he doesn't see any difference between boxing, a sport where your goal is to inflict damage on and in many cases KO your opponent, and every other Olympic sport.
He's clearly not very bright.
I'm bright enough to win this argument, Taekwondo is an Olympic sport and.....what's this???
Taekwondo star on Anderson Silva's Olympic bid: 'The line must be respected' - MMA Fighting
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPVuC6ugmAw
B-B-B-But what of ruthless rocco's narrative?!?!?!?!
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!
sit and spin on that you ingrate
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The thing i don't get with this whole thing is how everyone is talking about the age difference and experience. Whats the difference between a pro fighter competing with 20+ professional fights vs a Cuban in his mid twenties with 200+ amateur bouts going for his 2nd or 3rd Olympic medal? Maybe this change will result in the U.S being on a more level playing field with the Cubans, Russians, Ukrainians, and Chinese. Who knows, maybe this will result in the U.S bring home some gold medals for a change.
Even with that said, i still would rather they not implement these changes. They should leave this alone and maybe work on something that needs changing..... Like idk, the scoring system maybe?!
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Well, the good news is that the WBC will impose a two year ban on any of it's champions OR fighters who are in the top 15 if they fight at the Olympics
Top WBC boxers face two-year ban if they fight at Olympics | Anthony Joshua v Dominic Breazeale June 25 | Boxing News & Betting | Sporting Life
THAT'S GREAT NEWS
But I'd go one step further, if I was head honcho at the WBC I'd also ban any fighter from ever fighting for a WBC belt and I would not impose a two year ban, it would be a life time ban for me
It's be good if other sanctioning bodies followed suit, then they'd pretty much kill this crazy idea stone dead.
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LOL this is the WBC trying to protect their income. Any of the big names get schooled by an amateur their PPV value goes out the window.
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I guess there are two sports in the olympics where you try to almost kill your opponent.
My bad.
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Isn't this the Olympic games where they are doing away with the headgear? Figure that has to be yet another advantage for an established pro used to moving and defending without it.
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It's all so stupid!
...anyone but a moron could see what s bad idea this is!
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ruthless rocco
It's all so stupid!
...anyone but a moron could see what s bad idea this is!
Yep I presume they are just doing it to try and get more interest in the olympics and generate more money.
However, would really like to see some of the cubans fight top pros. Julio La Cruz could arguably be the best boxer on the planet. Would love to see him in with Kovalev
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El Kabong
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate
I think it might be just the kind of shake up the sport needs....if professionals are allowed in the Olympics (which is allowed for other sports: soccer, basketball, hockey, tennis, volleyball, cycling etc) it might stir up some interest in that there will be no money prize (not that would compete with a professional purse I am certain), but there will be the prize of gold. When promoters keep the biggest fights from happening until nobody cares anymore, an Olympic style tournament is a fucking brilliant idea! Let's say GGG was in the Olympics and Andre Ward was in the Olympics....all one would have to do in order to get them to fight each other is for them to be in the same amateur weight class and boom fight MADE.
People are viewing this like amateur boxers would even make the Olympic teams if professionals were allowed to box....would an amateur make an U-23 side that are going to the Olympics for soccer? Would an amateur make the US basketball team? Would an amateur make the Canadian hockey team? It's highly doubtful! Now SOME nations might send some young kids to the games, but fucking Christ sakes man Felix Savon was in his 30's and battering teenagers at the Olympics what's the difference with allowing a professional?
I can appreciate your wanting to be Devil's Advocate, but..........
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