Carnivores

Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?


I see videos in Asia where they put dozens of dogs in cages, then one by one beat them. Hollering, howling, crying. The comments are very condemning.

Yet there are videos where cows are hung up, spun around, then bled to death.

Yet another, pigs getting clubbed like seals. baby pigs getting their little piglet dicks ripped off like a tag on a pair of jeans.

Chickens by the thousands packed, stacked, steroided up- shitting on each other. Baby chicks moving down a conveyor belt that snaps their necks so we can have our 20 piece hot wings.

I wonder how it is considered inhumane to kill dogs and cats for consumption, but not cattle, birds or pigs? Because we can see the pain in a canine's eyes? Hear it cry in agony?


Just because fish can't cry or vocal chords to holler.. Does that justify stacking them in a net like so many Asians stack dogs in boxes? Put a hook in the fish mouth, then smile and take a photo.


Yes it was sad to watch dogs die in horrible fashion, but just because I don't want a pet cow shouldn't justify the way cattle is killed.

I like dogs, I prefer dogs to people.

I won't even watch vet programs on TV because it upsets me too much to see dogs in pain or suffering

It's a very good question.

We think of cows as food, but a Hindu is absolutely horrified by the thought as they believe that cows hold the spirit of our dead ancestors.

We anthropomorphise certain animals in the West, mainly for cultural reasons or as pets, but in the East the same thought do not hold sway.

What is undeniable is the cruelty and pain we inflict on animals, especially in the process of ruining our food chain (particularly in America I have to say)

And I say this as a meat eater. 🙁

I think Morrissey has a point withhis hardline vegan stance. When you really think about it meat eating is vulgar and savage, but I think it is in my nature to eat meat and short of eating spoonfuls of sugar I have no other way of getting my calories. What else are you supposed to eat? I eat salad every day but I would need to graze 8 hours a day to get 2000 calories which I probably don't even get with meat.

I like to think that there are certain regulations based on cruelty around the keeping and killing of that animals I eat


I appreciate very few of them have any quality of life before they are killed, but I like to think the killing part is done as gently as possible


I also appreciate that there is no nice way to take a life, but there are brutal ways

the dogs are beaten before they are killed?

The dogs are tortured because small minded people think it will give them 'stamina'. They also tend to drive SUV's and IMO are overcompensating. I would like to torture the dog eaters and eat them instead. At least dogs are nice.

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I think Morrissey has a point withhis hardline vegan stance. When you really think about it meat eating is vulgar and savage, but I think it is in my nature to eat meat and short of eating spoonfuls of sugar I have no other way of getting my calories. What else are you supposed to eat? I eat salad every day but I would need to graze 8 hours a day to get 2000 calories which I probably don't even get with meat.

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The very fact that Morrissey is a vegan is enough of a reason for me to eat as many cows as humanly possible

"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

banning hunting is daft man


that law on its own shows me how blind the British public are

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Originally Posted by erics44

banning hunting is daft man


that law on its own shows me how blind the British public are

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Have they banned hunting altogether?

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banning hunting is daft man


that law on its own shows me how blind the British public are

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Have they banned hunting altogether?

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Dunno exactly what the rules are but it was fox hunting that was banned recently


dunno what the rules are on me buying myself a gun and going shooting wild cows

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the dogs are beaten before they are killed?

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There are literally dog meat festivals. Some Asians think the more pain they inflict. ..the more tender the meat will be.
Youtube it. Frigging heartbraking if you love dogs.

As for the hunt? Not that caged in killing where the animals of choice got nowhere to run . Nor do i find it civilized to hunt for sport. Then put the head on a mantle or wall.


I agree with the concept if you cannot take the life of the meat eatan...then dont eat it at all.
A bit hypocritical to condemn how an animal is killed then proceed to chomping it to bits??

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Originally Posted by erics44

the dogs are beaten before they are killed?

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There are literally dog meat festivals. Some Asians think the more pain they inflict. ..the more tender the meat will be.
Youtube it. Frigging heartbraking if you love dogs.

As for the hunt? Not that caged in killing where the animals of choice got nowhere to run . Nor do i find it civilized to hunt for sport. Then put the head on a mantle or wall.


I agree with the concept if you cannot take the life of the meat eatan...then dont eat it at all.
A bit hypocritical to condemn how an animal is killed then proceed to chomping it to bits??

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Yeah, I don't even want to think about the cats and dogs being eaten. Different cultures I guess, but I certainly don't respect the practice.


Canned hunts are a thing and I just don't feel like it's sporting to do. It's not how hunting used to be done, it's a bastardized version of a hunt especially if the animals that have been bred and raised for it have had lots of interactions with humans to the point where they are less afraid of them.


Hunting with the SOLE purpose of a mount or skin is no different than the folks who poach for ivory and Tiger gall bladders or whatever the fuck is considered an aphrodisiac in Asia these days. Also Shark fin soup...never had it, never would try it....fuck I don't even like long line fishing to tell the truth, it's the land mine of fishing....it's indiscriminate of what kind of fish is caught and by the time the boat rolls around to pick the line up the fish could be dead already.

I don't mind taxidermy when I know the animal has been respected properly, as in all the meat has been utilized be it cooked by the hunter, gifted to friends or family, or donated to feed the poor which is something deer hunters in my area do quite a bit. Hunting, is taxing, it's not easy to take a life. Shit I feel bad when possums and squirrels run in front of my car....but hunting should bring the hunter closer to nature, helping him or her understand how nature works, providing them with more respect for wildlife and should have them feeling more thankful for the food they eat because they had to earn that privilege with their own two hands (if you dress the animal yourself...but also killing the animal yourself too, not an easy thing at all).



Some folks are dumb when it comes to where they think they get their food or clothes for that matter, leather doesn't grow on trees.

land mine of fishing damn!!!! Anyways, excellent perspective.

Next time I see a dairy cow lead a blind woman across the street, comfort alzheimer's patients and the elderly, detect a bomb on a plane, lead search and rescue teams or simply ease the day when it's darkest by being there..I'll give the cow a pass ;D. In the meantime just get on my plate and bring your milk and cheese. Now cats...guess they are good at flopping on our keyboards and deleting everything and stinking up the laundry room???

Different 'cultures', can see that but still turns my stomach to think of dogs and cats while other intended livestock are so readily available.

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Next time I see a dairy cow lead a blind woman across the street, comfort alzheimer's patients and the elderly, detect a bomb on a plane, lead search and rescue teams or simply ease the day when it's darkest by being there..I'll give the cow a pass ;D. In the meantime just get on my plate and bring your milk and cheese.

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Well damn....this is a check mate postI

Kudos to the one who ate the first cow. Just curious to what gave that first cow killer the desire to drink the white dripping fluid...
I would've seen it as an animal busting a nut nonstop.
Im not the one to discover milk.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Next time I see a dairy cow lead a blind woman across the street, comfort alzheimer's patients and the elderly, detect a bomb on a plane, lead search and rescue teams or simply ease the day when it's darkest by being there..I'll give the cow a pass ;D. In the meantime just get on my plate and bring your milk and cheese. Now cats...guess they are good at flopping on our keyboards and deleting everything and stinking up the laundry room???

Different 'cultures', can see that but still turns my stomach to think of dogs and cats while other intended livestock are so readily available.

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It wouldn't matter if a cow taught itself to play guitar, wrote poetry and co-hosted SNL. Every time I looked at that cow I would see it grilled and on a plate with a potato.

thing is, I feel sorry for cows and pigs, how shit it would be to be one of those animals waiting to be cut up for my breakfast


but me taking any kind of stand is going to take up time and energy and make very little difference to the world


so im gonna worry about my own shit and eat what I want


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Originally Posted by erics44

thing is, I feel sorry for cows and pigs, how shit it would be to be one of those animals waiting to be cut up for my breakfast


but me taking any kind of stand is going to take up time and energy and make very little difference to the world


so im gonna worry about my own shit and eat what I want


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I have agonized over this for years and years. Women bleed monthly AND HAVE A RIGHT TO EAT FLESH OF ANIMALS to replenish the blood, muscle tissues and nerves/veins.

Men have NO RIGHT TO EAT MEAT.

NEW RULE: ONLY WOMEN HAVE THE OK TO EAT MEAT.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

I eat strictly spinach, peas, kale, cauliflower, squash, hummus, pretzels, olive oil, lentils, eggplant, peppers, falafel, pizza, rice, pasta, quinoa, and all berries and fruits and cheese/nuts, and BEER.

I'm basically in agreement with Kabong ideally, in that if you couldn't personally bring yourself to kill an animal for food you shouldn't eat it. I haven't eaten pork in years, as pigs are actually as smart and affectionate as dogs, plus their meat is horrible for you. I still eat a little beef and sometimes bison, kind of doubt I could bring myself to take those dudes on, I like the idea of cutting that shit out but you hear things about the meat in fact being extremely healthy if its grass fed etc, and I'm a humanist first after all;D. Poultry and fish though? Totally guilt free for me. Overfishing is an environmental concern, but on a humane level I don't have any empathy for sea creatures. Birds as well, I just don't care about them and think they are shit animals, I could easily cut chickens heads off if it was the only way I could eat them.

I'd find it easier to kill a person than a cow
but I'd find it slightly easier to eat a cow than a person

Fish is awesome unless its like a drum fish. I eat salmon every week but steer away from farm raised. Then again I never eat crawfish and I live in the heart of it down here. It's not a matter of hurting their tender feelings its just that we had them in SD and called them sewer roaches. Constantly in the drainage canals all covered in shat and such. Could never shake that image.

I cannot kill any.living thing let alone cause it pain or suffering or fright, and please.don't someone be cute and say " every time you scratch your skin you're killing millions of microscopic animals blah blah hlah"

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"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

I eat strictly spinach, peas, kale, cauliflower, squash, hummus, pretzels, olive oil, lentils, eggplant, peppers, falafel, pizza, rice, pasta, quinoa, and all berries and fruits and cheese/nuts, and BEER.

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Weight must be falling off you? Do you take supplements for iron etc?

Meat eating nothing wrong with it, I am more concerned with wasting food, we waste far to much food weather it be meat fish or veg.
I enjoy meat and the humdrum droon of Morrissey, sing dull bull shit makes me glad I am vulgar, do we really NO if a lettuce screams when we eat it,! or when we drop cabbage into boiling water.
People like Morrissey get up my nose , a talentless prat duller than dull more fun pulling teeth.
I like meat I don't mind veg food or fish , vegans are a bit strange come across as single minded idiots.
I have know one or two shit hard work, they spend more time reading fucking labels than eating LOL.

As for having to kill the animal that you eat I come from erdington, Birmingham.
If I was to kill the animals I eat I would be hard pushed to find anything other Han rats and mice, I suppose I could travel to kill a cow but then lugging a dead carcass onto the bus just sounds like too much hard work to me

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"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

I eat strictly spinach, peas, kale, cauliflower, squash, hummus, pretzels, olive oil, lentils, eggplant, peppers, falafel, pizza, rice, pasta, quinoa, and all berries and fruits and cheese/nuts, and BEER.

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Weight must be falling off you? Do you take supplements for iron etc?

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@Andre

Good question. No. Actually starches can get me fatter than meat. I eat ice cream, pizza, etc.... Not dropping too much weight, but lost 5 lbs.

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"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

I eat strictly spinach, peas, kale, cauliflower, squash, hummus, pretzels, olive oil, lentils, eggplant, peppers, falafel, pizza, rice, pasta, quinoa, and all berries and fruits and cheese/nuts, and BEER.

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Weight must be falling off you? Do you take supplements for iron etc?

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@Andre

Good question. No. Actually starches can get me fatter than meat. I eat ice cream, pizza, etc.... Not dropping too much weight, but lost 5 lbs.

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Pancakes and ice cream it is :lickish:

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"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

I eat strictly spinach, peas, kale, cauliflower, squash, hummus, pretzels, olive oil, lentils, eggplant, peppers, falafel, pizza, rice, pasta, quinoa, and all berries and fruits and cheese/nuts, and BEER.

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Weight must be falling off you? Do you take supplements for iron etc?

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@Andre

Good question. No. Actually starches can get me fatter than meat. I eat ice cream, pizza, etc.... Not dropping too much weight, but lost 5 lbs.

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Pancakes and ice cream it is :lickish:

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Funny you mention it. I had pancakes today with 100% pure Canadian maple syrup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

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"Question: Can a person that likes to eat meat condemn other meat eaters on either the basis of what animal it comes from or the way in which it was killed?"

Hunters are condemned all the fucking time.....and hunting is a lot more humane than most practices. In my opinion, if you cannot personally take the life of what you eat then you should not eat it.

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Thats exactly where Im at right now. I can kill a fish so 'll continue to eat them for a while but nothing else that had a mother and specially nothing with four legs. All this will change if we have to do a fast runner for the islands,its fish and Kangaroos as the staple from that point on.

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

I eat strictly spinach, peas, kale, cauliflower, squash, hummus, pretzels, olive oil, lentils, eggplant, peppers, falafel, pizza, rice, pasta, quinoa, and all berries and fruits and cheese/nuts, and BEER.

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Weight must be falling off you? Do you take supplements for iron etc?

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@Andre

Good question. No. Actually starches can get me fatter than meat. I eat ice cream, pizza, etc.... Not dropping too much weight, but lost 5 lbs.

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Pancakes and ice cream it is :lickish:

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Funny you mention it. I had pancakes today with 100% pure Canadian maple syrup.

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As a Canadian, I feel that our pure maple syrup consists of the souls of the Armenian genocide, punished by being gouged out of a tree.

Heartbreaking. 1 minute in.....you'll either swell with tears or rage with anger to kick the shit out of these people.
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=LPTz3VS1XXw

Remember moving here and introduction to everything jarred from pig lips, pig jowls, snouts to pig hooves in the local stores. Just couldn't imagine getting to the point where I would want to eat that shat??? Odd though as it is using every portion of a raised animal, but again..who the fuck eats a pig snout while passing up 2' thick boneless center chop?

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I cannot even eat fish anymore. I had a mental transmission that fish are reincarnations of centipedes that realized they were insects just before being crushed by people, and had earned a higher life form this time around. An eel could be a diseased prostitute/harlot, punished in a lesser life form's body.

I can no longer eat eels or fish, they are calling to me in fear, warning me.

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If anybody knows any good fish jokes, could they let minnow?