Obed Sullivan was a big strong ex-marine from Newark, NJ, who many experts felt would go far. Lou D'Uva of Totowa, NJ was tempted to mentor him in 1998.
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Obed Sullivan was a big strong ex-marine from Newark, NJ, who many experts felt would go far. Lou D'Uva of Totowa, NJ was tempted to mentor him in 1998.
a few years back there seemed to be loads of HW hopefuls in Britain
Chisora
Towers
Price
Fury
Olibamewoo
Sexton
Dallas
Fury became champ.
Chis became a gatekeeper
Price still has a chance
yeah suppose it went quite well
Damn did THOSE 3 fizzle.the fuck out!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
When I read the thread title I was quite interested. I thought there was going to be a big piece on Sullivan and what became of him.
So we're just listing boxers who became poo pretty quick?
Didnt Larry get done for drugs? He got his head smashed in plenty. Dallas was plenty of peoples whipping boy, Sexton got twatted by Price and now he's on the march again after a British title.
@Memphis you're right, I'll post it in a few hours, I was in class and had to discontinue the activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustDamn did THOSE 3 fizzle.the fuck out!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Towers n'all
Haha. Your posts are always good for a laughQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Well let's see....
Dominick Guinn
Duncan Dokiwari
David Izon
Friday Ahunaya
Eddie Chambers
DaVaryl Williamson
Jorge Luis Gonzales
Odlanier Solis
Andre Purlette
Alexander Dimitrenko
I'd put Joe Mesi on there but I think he achieved everything he was going to BAR a true title challenge. His career was halted due to injury and that was a shame. Calvin Brock also achieved all he was going to which included a title shot, he did quite well for a late starter in the game.
Either I don't get the question or our definition of hopeful is different. I don't think I ever had any hope that any one of these guys would amount to much.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Those guys were all highly rated as young professionals and some even highly rated amateurs. Jorge Luis Gonzales beat Teofilo Stevenson for fucks sake AND he was 6'7 with an 82" reach....so YEAH he should have been a lot more than what he was....but I guess you knew he would fail miserably :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherEither I don't get the question or our definition of hopeful is different. I don't think I ever had any hope that any one of these guys would amount to much.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
David Izon and Friday Ahunaya were compared to Ike Ibeabuchi
Odlanier Solis was an Olympic Gold medalist with a very bright future.....but that brightness was apparently the Hot & Now sign at Krispy Kreme
But hey, to each their own you don't think those guys had promise as pros that's fine
Eddie. Chambers came to mind. Just looked at Dominick Guinn, didn't realize he became the journeyman to fight. Boytsov, Mansour, Pulev, Chambers, Tony Thompson, Saw him schooled by Lights out, Liakhovich, Barrett, Adamek, Audley Harrison....he beat Audley...haha...
Guinn delivered against Michael Grant...under performed from then on.
At what? Getting knocked out again? He sure doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
For a guy who jumped in at 24 near 270 lbs a cut prone Sullivan did very well to get as far as he did. Solid workman who tried and did improve boxing and not just ride it out. Maybe the best Grant ever looked was with Sullivan. Hopeful is pretty much a description of any heavyweight compared/mentioned with greats and many get caught up. It was never there in the first place or they thought a sneer and punch compensated for a weak defense or bad habits in some cases. I actually thought Juan C Gomez had the goods to move up and contend but he couldn't translate the talent. On paper Briggs gets a pass based on 1-2 fights and a great TV personality but he really has been on 15 minutes of fame for going decades now. I remember a guy like Jeremy Williams who was very entertaining as much for his flaws as he was punch and promotion. Within a year and few months he had knocked out and run close with fellow Olympians, network dropped "Tyson like mentality" nearly every fight being managed by Cayton and trained by Rooney. You can only stack it so high. Honestly speaking didn't Tua sort of fizzle out. Guys like Paea Wollfgramm, Cody Koch, Courage Tshabalala, Calvin Brock come in different variations. Sad to say Jennings may be waiting on the next stop.
damn solis, I really thought he could have been heavyweight champ, he had such a great amateru career, beat haye and pulev in amateur world championship tournaments and of course the olympic gold medal too... Pretty sure he beat felix savon ,more than he lost to him too.. His career definently fizzled out when he became a pro, he just became so fat and unprofessional, it is amazing.. I think it was his fight v austin where he just sort of gave up, he started off that fight very well and then just coasted to a dq win... He was 260lbs v austin :S and that was light for him.... I also can't believe his performances v tony thompson, he could have easily won those if he was in anyway professional, he lost the first fight and he gained 20 lbs for the rematch :SQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThose guys were all highly rated as young professionals and some even highly rated amateurs. Jorge Luis Gonzales beat Teofilo Stevenson for fucks sake AND he was 6'7 with an 82" reach....so YEAH he should have been a lot more than what he was....but I guess you knew he would fail miserably :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherEither I don't get the question or our definition of hopeful is different. I don't think I ever had any hope that any one of these guys would amount to much.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
David Izon and Friday Ahunaya were compared to Ike Ibeabuchi
Odlanier Solis was an Olympic Gold medalist with a very bright future.....but that brightness was apparently the Hot & Now sign at Krispy Kreme
But hey, to each their own you don't think those guys had promise as pros that's fine
I think Solis has been a huge waste of talent, which is a real shame, he was one of my favourites
Solis became so fat his knee gave way carrying his own weight in a title fight.
The West have a lot to answer for tempting a fighter with fun, freedom, food and fanny.
Price is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's bear in mind that some of these guys came around and fought top competition but never could beat the man. Some never truly fizzled out. Messi never truly fizzled out, he had a blood clot on his brain.
Dominic Guinn never fizzled either, he beat top guys and lost a few good fights.
Obed Sullivan had built up to 29-1 with 20 KO's.
True, Mesi got injured, but Guinn DID fizzle. I saw the Guinn vs Grant fight and when he didn't put Grant away until the 7th I knew it was over for him. Dominick Guinn had the power, he was a smart enough fighter, he was very durable, but he lacked the intensity and sense of urgency in his fights.....I think he was one of those guys who left it all in the gym. He had good hands, good power, but just didn't do enough work in the ring for whatever reason. A lot of folks thought he was going to be the next Holyfield and for a while it looked that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
And the Fury's wanted to claim it was due to soft padding on the ring :rolleyes: .....I watched that fight numerous times, that ring was stiff as a board. No padding at all unless you're counting what Solis had around his waist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Jameel Mccline is my pick. He demolished Michael Grant; beat an up in comer in Goofy Whitaker beat former champ Briggs and then runs into a Klitschko and was never the same again.
And the Calvin Boxing Banker Brock is another 1.