Old PBF vs. New PBF p4p who is/was better?

New PBF: Trained by his uncle to be a more offensive fighter who gets hit more, and is a little reckless, but he hurts his opponents more, and is alot better against a pressure fighter because now he overwhelms them with a speed and good power instead of being overwhelmed himself, and smothered by their punches (Corley, Ndou, Gatti). Oh yeah also his hits way harder now.

Old PBF: Trained by Floyd Sr. to be a defensive fight he used the jab more working both upstairs and downstairs. He fought a in defense first only hit then its least likely to get countered. He had difficulty back then against more so against more pressure fighters than not(castillo, chavez, and few others) vs. (corrales who couldn't really get in).

1) Who is or was better p4p IYO
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2) Which version would have won had he fought himself were they the same age, size, speed, etc.

I think PBF is smart, I don't think it is a case of old and new PBF, rather he adapts to the fight,tried new things when he knows he can and dam staright, he is one of the most versatile fighters. If you watch after fight interviews with Floyd's opponent's,most say he hits harder than it looks. I think if he ever were to fight Margarito, he would be on his bike but if it's someone he knows he can over power,why run?EG Mitchell etc. Interesting to see which tactic he uses against Zab,mixture of both?

He has definitely changed his style in overall...

I like the new Floyd a lot more.
He's showing a ton of confidence in recent bouts. Not afraid to stand and trade when warranted.
Because it's not like he completely abandoned his defensive style at all.
A lot of people question his ability to take a punch but I truly truly believe he has a solid chin on him.
I mean he was questionably "rocked" by like what... two or three shots in his entire career? I believe he could take 'em. So standing and trading when the situation is right is a great advantage for him.
Also, it's not like he stands and throws and takes shots recklessly.
His defensive instincts are far beyond anyone elses.
So you take what he already had, and throw in a little more offensive onslaught. You got quite a fuggin' package.

Like you said, his new style allows him to put pressure on guys who otherwised may have bulled him over early in his career.
I love seeing the confidence in his stride nowadays.
New Floyd, baby.

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I like the new Floyd a lot more.
He's showing a ton of confidence in recent bouts. Not afraid to stand and trade when warranted.
Because it's not like he completely abandoned his defensive style at all.
A lot of people question his ability to take a punch but I truly truly believe he has a solid chin on him.
I mean he was questionably "rocked" by like what... two or three shots in his entire career? I believe he could take 'em. So standing and trading when the situation is right is a great advantage for him.
Also, it's not like he stands and throws and takes shots recklessly.
His defensive instincts are far beyond anyone elses.
So you take what he already had, and throw in a little more offensive onslaught. You got quite a fuggin' package.

Like you said, his new style allows him to put pressure on guys who otherwised may have bulled him over early in his career.
I love seeing the confidence in his stride nowadays.
New Floyd, baby.

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I've only heard, and seen him stunned once and thats against Corley... I agree he is impressive now, and fun to watch. His combinations have lots of power behind them he doesn't throw 10 punches combinations instead he throws smaller combinations with more power, and he goes to the body in his combinations. His switch reflexes are amazing still and its virtually impossible to hit him with a jab or any punch for that matter. He's like James Toney with Roy Jones Jr.'s reflexes + speed.

I can't wait for floyd to get KTFO by hatton, then all the ass licking will stop. He's not funny, anyone who thinks he is, listen to james toney.

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I can't wait for floyd to get KTFO by hatton, then all the a** licking will stop. He's not funny, anyone who thinks he is, listen to james toney.

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WTF are you talking about I don't think anyone said Floyd was funny, and don't hold your breath... Should Hatton face PBF he will be TKO'ed probably within 6.

Personally...I think that the old Floyd & the new Floyd are essentially the same Floyd...no matter who trains him Floyd Jr is always on time with everything that he does.

I'd say that I like Floyd all the way around...the older he get's the better he get's.

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He has definitely changed his style in overall...

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i agree, i have also noticed this in his fights....
i think it will make him more vulnerable to attack for sure, but then again his style will be more exciting to watch....Im not sure really, i think when he gets old the last thing he would want to do is fight offensively...especially with young stronger fighters.

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Personally...I think that the old Floyd & the new Floyd are essentially the same Floyd...no matter who trains him Floyd Jr is always on time with everything that he does.

I'd say that I like Floyd all the way around...the older he get's the better he get's.

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I can't agree with you there wacko ;D he opens up way more nowadays, and he throws harder shots and plants his feet more. Some say its because of the weight change I say its because he always wanted to be this way, and without Floyd Sr. around Roger guides him in way of fighting that puts greater emphasize on offensive.

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Personally...I think that the old Floyd & the new Floyd are essentially the same Floyd...no matter who trains him Floyd Jr is always on time with everything that he does.

I'd say that I like Floyd all the way around...the older he get's the better he get's.

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I can't agree with you there wacko ;D he opens up way more nowadays, and he throws harder shots and plants his feet more. Some say its because of the weight change I say its because he always wanted to be this way, and without Floyd Sr. around Roger guides him in way of fighting that puts greater emphasize on offensive.

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I read an article on this very thing just a few days ago...it was by Jeff Mayweather...he said the very same things that you are now...& I don't know...I just don't see it that way.

I saw Floyd on many occassions in the past fight in the pocket & throw power shots...I just think that with age...he's just settled in a bit more & nows how to land & place his power correctly now.

Maybe it is all Roger...but I think that in the end...it's all Floyd.

I agree that his style is definitely changing, but I also agree that the change is all from Floyd.
Like I said earlier, his confidence is definitely rising and he seems like he's going out there wanting to prove he could punch in his class every time he moves up.

Man these days are crawling by slowly waiting for Floyd - Zab.

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Personally...I think that the old Floyd & the new Floyd are essentially the same Floyd...no matter who trains him Floyd Jr is always on time with everything that he does.

I'd say that I like Floyd all the way around...the older he get's the better he get's.

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I can't agree with you there wacko ;D he opens up way more nowadays, and he throws harder shots and plants his feet more. Some say its because of the weight change I say its because he always wanted to be this way, and without Floyd Sr. around Roger guides him in way of fighting that puts greater emphasize on offensive.

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I read an article on this very thing just a few days ago...it was by Jeff Mayweather...he said the very same things that you are now...& I don't know...I just don't see it that way.

I saw Floyd on many occassions in the past fight in the pocket & throw power shots...I just think that with age...he's just settled in a bit more & nows how to land & place his power correctly now.

Maybe it is all Roger...but I think that in the end...it's all Floyd.

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As fighter myself I agree you make your own style no matter who's your trainer unless their are hitleresque, but Roger was with Floyd for a long time, and I think that his advice which Floyd respects has taken its impact on Floyd... If you respect somebody and try out what they teach you eventually it will rub off. I think the Corrales fight was a good example in the begining he fought more his old style then he showed his offensive brilliance, and the commentator mentioned to the effect that Floyd was fighting how his uncle Roger taught him now.

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I can't wait for floyd to get KTFO by hatton, then all the a** licking will stop. He's not funny, anyone who thinks he is, listen to james toney.

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too bad judah is gonna K him TFO before PBF ever has a chance to face hatton, who would probably get KTFO by PBF

SaltheButcher we should have a bet if Zab knocks out/tko's Mayweather I'll leave this forum forever, but if Zab gets knocked out you leave forever.

why make a bet like that, bet money or something, the forum needs members to get discussions going

Basically, I don't want to see Sal go after Zab gets that ass beat ;D

meh I'm just saying I am this confident in Mayweather winning... Its meaningless to just say one person will beat another guy's ass, and when the opposite happens you don't show up for a week and everybody"forgets"... right Northside? Anyways Zab could still be good, but IMO he should take two or three months off boxing and work on mental preparation like meditation or something.

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SaltheButcher we should have a bet if Zab knocks out/tko's Mayweather I'll leave this forum forever, but if Zab gets knocked out you leave forever.

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loser must be absent for 3 months?

I was thinking permanent, but three months will do, and no KO or TKO will mean neither wins this. In fact I'm so confident you can stay on if Mayweather wins, but I'll stay away for 3 months if Mayweather loses by KO or TKO.

i see no chance of mayweather scoring a KO/TKO, so im down

If the Old Pretty Boy took on
Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, then Castillo

Then I like the old Pretty Boy. I mean, that kind of schedule rivals the greats! :o


Yet these past three years and more, have been lackluster in competition. So if that is
the NEW Mayweather, then I don't like this version, based on competition. Also, note
that it may be his competition lately that makes him look better as of now.

For Mayweather to make me shutup about his competition, he needs to fight Ricky Hatton,
Antonio Margarito, ... or any challenging fight.*

And those fights are fantastic for boxing, other than the Sharmba's, Brussels, blah blah.

Mayweather's 30 next year. I didn't realise the age factor, until it was Paul Malignaggi that said Mayweather
is going to get long in the tooth soon.

By the time Sugar Ray Leonard was 31, he fought Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, Duran, and Duran again.
At 28, he fought them all, minus Hagler.
There is NO WAY Mayweather can compete with that schedule anymore.

Mayweather has a lot of catching up to do, if he wants to challenge Ray Leonard's record.
He already has the talent. Why waste it on Telefutura level fighters. I can see why he fought
Gatti, there was a lot of money involved. Was it Castillo's close fight, that was a rude awakening to
go for easy money fights rather than rough money fights?

But Mayweather has wasted his "all-time-great" talent on low-level competition for the past 3 years.
Mayweather and Bob Arum openly say Floyd is better than Ray Leonard, he (Floyd) needs to prove it.






* Judah, "loser to 9 loss Baldo" doesn't count,
despite my pick as of now. (Pick, which may change) There are a whole slew of reasons I have why
Judah is an easy option for Mayweather, but what the hell, Floyd fans won't listen.

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If the Old Pretty Boy took on
Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, then Castillo

Then I like the old Pretty Boy. I mean, that kind of schedule rivals the greats! :o


Yet these past three years and more, have been lackluster in competition. So if that is
the NEW Mayweather, then I don't like this version, based on competition. Also, note
that it may be his competition lately that makes him look better as of now.

For Mayweather to make me shutup about his competition, he needs to fight Ricky Hatton,
Antonio Margarito, ... or any challenging fight.*

And those fights are fantastic for boxing, other than the Sharmba's, Brussels, blah blah.

Mayweather's 30 next year. I didn't realise the age factor, until it was Paul Malignaggi that said Mayweather
is going to get long in the tooth soon.

By the time Sugar Ray Leonard was 31, he fought Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, Duran, and Duran again.
At 28, he fought them all, minus Hagler.
There is NO WAY Mayweather can compete with that schedule anymore.

Mayweather has a lot of catching up to do, if he wants to challenge Ray Leonard's record.
He already has the talent. Why waste it on Telefutura level fighters. I can see why he fought
Gatti, there was a lot of money involved. Was it Castillo's close fight, that was a rude awakening to
go for easy money fights rather than rough money fights?

But Mayweather has wasted his "all-time-great" talent on low-level competition for the past 3 years.
Mayweather and Bob Arum openly say Floyd is better than Ray Leonard, he (Floyd) needs to prove it.






* Judah, "loser to 9 loss Baldo" doesn't count,
despite my pick as of now. (Pick, which may change) There are a whole slew of reasons I have why
Judah is an easy option for Mayweather, but what the hell, Floyd fans won't listen.

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Awesome Awesome post, agree with you 156%. Cool click bro.

When Floyd started out he stood still more to hooks rather then leaning away from them he would block them with his gloves and hit you in between the shots. His defensehas improved but he's not as quick upstairs and he stands upright more now. I like the mayweather that fought Sosa and Henry then the one that fought Mitchell Corley and Ndou. I think Emanuel Burton showed the right strategy to beat Floyd Mayweather he just wasn't ready.

I personally don't think he has changer per se, just altered his style for fights which he knows he can win by being flat footed Sharmba etc Like I said, if that is his new style then Hatton, Margarito etc all stand a waaaaay better chance of beating him because regardless of what he does(shoulder roll etc) he is going to hit waaaay more especially by the 2 guys I mentioned!

I think he will fight the fight ot beat certain fighters. Against Sharmba after testing his chin he knew that he coudl stand with him. But against someone like Hatton I think he would move and counter more often, if he fought Margarito he would fight him the same way he fought Hernandez and Ndou, for some reason he just performs better against taller fighters.

Thanks Game,

I'd rather want Mayweather to take on bad*ss fights, and shut me up AND
then I can root against him in the process. :D

I'd love to drive to Vegas and watch Mayweather Hatton or Mayweather Margarito. 8)

I think PBF

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I think PBF

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Agreed. :coolclick:

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I think he will fight the fight ot beat certain fighters. Against Sharmba after testing his chin he knew that he coudl stand with him. But against someone like Hatton I think he would move and counter more often, if he fought Margarito he would fight him the same way he fought Hernandez and Ndou, for some reason he just performs better against taller fighters.

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Because he's hasn't foughten the Hearsn type of tall guys... A tall guy against PBF needs two things 1) a stiff jab 2) Speed so that he won't be countered every punch.

Floyds a combination of both. He started out in his fathers image from a very young age and became a very defensively fighter by instinct. When his uncle stated training him, he began to punch more because its what he always wanted to do but he retained his defence from his dads teaching because its pretty much all hes every known. Its very hard to unlearn something like that later in life especially when its been woven into your instincts like that. He punches more now, not because he's abandoned his fathers style but becauses hes added something to it. I wouldnt necessarily say him taking more risks is a stylistic change as much as it depends on the individual fighter hes facing (as angel eyes said). Against guys like corely and mitchell, he took more shots looked a little less careless because he wanted to prove that he belonged at the weight (werent they both his first fights at a new weight?). If hes really in there with someone he felt was a dangerous puncher, he wouldnt hang his chin out there for a free shot with rep and his money on the line.

Floyds constantly sizing a guy up in the ring and reading his rhythm, distance and his stance. Wether hes punching or defending. If you look at the guy, he prepares well and does his homework. Like he prepared for Sharmba by sparring with chop chop. I suspect Chop Chops still somewhere in the preparations, wouldn't be surprised if sharmba is too.

Just like Tszyu used David Sample before he fought Zab. Sample got obliterated by zab in one of his fights coming up... but the point is, he simulated the style and has been in the ring with zab. Anyone know the whereabouts or the activities of the motor city cobra, Corey Spinks these days? *raises eyebrow* :headscratch:

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

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Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

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Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it.

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Hey, I don't think any fighter needs to justify protecting his chin no matter how good he is.

Maybe I'm a little xenophobic but I have a point don't I? No one has thrown a left hook to the body like hatton since roberto duran.

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Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

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utilizing the shoulder roll is the one thing i like about mayweather, that shit is nice

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Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

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utilizing the shoulder roll is the one thing i like about mayweather, that S*** is nice

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Well said Sal...totally agree 100%. That is indeed one of Floyd's better aspects.

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Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it.

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Hey, I don't think any fighter needs to justify protecting his chin no matter how good he is.

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Maybe my vision is a little blurry (alcohol induced very possibly), but I only really see floyd do it when he's well on top, when still in a competitive fight (EXTREMELY RARE!) he hardly does it. It's like he's copying. I'm not trying to say floyd is a bad fighter, but speed and ability is only half the story, the other half of the story (strength and power) remains to be seen. Thats why hatton V floyd answers all the questions about BOTH fighters

maybe the roll is so fast I don't see the S*** ???

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Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it.

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Maybe my vision is a little blurry (alcohol induced very possibly), but I only really see floyd do it when he's well on top, when still in a competitive fight (EXTREMELY RARE!) he hardly does it. It's like he's copying. I'm not trying to say floyd is a bad fighter, but speed and ability is only half the story, the other half of the story (strength and power) remains to be seen. Thats why hatton V floyd answers all the questions about BOTH fighters

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Speed and ability is well more than half the story.
If you're saying that having one punch knockout power is the other half, then I gotta disagree with that.
Since obviously we're not talking about accumulative power, which Floyd definitely has, we must be talking about one punch knockout power.

That's always the big argument against Floyd.
"Where's his power? Where's his power?"
He's still stopping guys since moving up like Gatti and Mitchell. Not with one big shot, but with accumulative power.
So if you're not getting hit and still wiping the other guy out, albeit not with one punch, how can you fault that?

gatti thought he could punch hard enough to dislocate mayweathers arm when he tried the shoulder roll,

and he attempted to punch the shoulder intentionally,

AND GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM :D :D :D