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Miguel Cotto vs. James Kirkland Showdown in Play? - Boxing News
Cotto contacted for a Kirkland return. Is James damaged goods? Can Ann Wolfe make a difference?
David Lemiuex has been mentioned also.
Way too much power in David hands. .too much skill in Cotto?
Yes, no, yes, and yes would be my two cents. He'll never be a bad tune up option or terribly boring because he only knows how to bum rush guys, but he'd be stopped in either of those fights almost for sure. He's even more of a frontrunner than Lemiuex and worse overall, and wouldn't have anything much for Cotto.
Agree with p4pking. I think you could give him a smart phone and a map and it would take him till the fall just to find his way to the venue. The knockouts have not been kind to Kirkland. Remember the last time they put a mic in front of him... Yeesh. Which is of course why Cottos picking him. As much damage as Cotto has taken over the years. He can still jab and counter his way to a early round Ko victory over kirkland in his sleep.
He stands a better chance of rubio'ing Lemiux but would probably take his chances on the punch from cotto (especially as it pays more). I think Kirkland needs buy stake in a gym or grab some headgear for very light sparring.. the road his headed down is not good for him.
As for his reunion with Wolfe. You can't coach out brain damage... "It's going to be reunited like 'Peaches and Herb.'" - Peaches and 'Creamed' is more like it. :-\
Isn't JMM fighting again to set up a Cotto fight?
Put Kirkland in with little JMM at 154 n you might have a fight lol
Kirkland is a warrior and intimidating figure for journeymen, fringe contenders, and all but blue chip prospects.
However, he is a Mayorga type tune up showcase fight for world class guys like Cotto. Truthfully, not as good or durable as Mayorga was during his stretch of getting stretched by the stars.
Sounds harsh but for a guy with only 2 losses, Kirkland is a punching bag with a single win over the last 4+ years. He needs to be watched. The thing that kept Mayorga in repeated big cash 'tune ups' was his durability coupled with some limitation. Guys painted portraits on a marketable tough guy who was also champion. Kirkland on the other hand is all immediate threat with a weak public defenders defense and who short circuits badly. If Cotto just wants a W and to pocket money...shocker...than it works but overall it's an empty fight for a guy who is nearing the end and could go off much much bigger.
For some reason I would've sworn he had more than 2 losses, of course he only has as many decent wins, but it seems like he's been an opponent type for a while now. Seem to remember he was well behind in the Molina fight? Not sure I even saw that one. In the last 4 years all he's done is beat Glen Tapia and get flattened by Canelo, put it that way. Hardly has the style to afford that kind of inactivity.
I think most people remember him having more two. Probably because most people remember seeing angulo batter him before sitting in the pocket where Kirkland caught him and made him pay. The shock loss to the Japanese kid showed a Kirkland who gave up on himself. Then he lost in court a few times..I think it seems like so many times because each loss was quite memorable and ugly with Kirkland floundering on the mat or crumpled in a heap bleeding from his mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I think they guys got more to lose than gain. Even if he makes a mil on the fight, which I doubt he will. He's already seeing Pokémon without a smart phone, if you catch my drift. There should really be a commission that enforces a cognitive standard test or keeps track of a decline though repetitive test results.
Clever Pokemon analogy there.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedI think most people remember him having more two. Probably because most people remember seeing angulo batter him before sitting in the pocket where Kirkland caught him and made him pay. The shock loss to the Japanese kid showed a Kirkland who gave up on himself. Then he lost in court a few times..I think it seems like so many times because each loss was quite memorable and ugly with Kirkland floundering on the mat or crumpled in a heap bleeding from his mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I think they guys got more to lose than gain. Even if he makes a mil on the fight, which I doubt he will. He's already seeing Pokémon without a smart phone, if you catch my drift. There should really be a commission that enforces a cognitive standard test or keeps track of a decline though repetitive test results.
I think Kirkland wrecks Cotto
Cotto still has pop in his punches....certainly enough to do Kirkland inQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Kirkland was never articulate from jump street, not sure he is slurring.
As for his Angulo win- El Pero had the first round 2 minutes. Kirkland whooped his ass from then on.
I think Lemiuex would blast him out, but Cotto could return to his viscous body attack to wear down Kirkland. ---Then again, Kirk more than likely would re hyrdate and use that weight gain to his advantage.
I'm guessing this would happen at MW? Why is Cotto looking to fight at MW? He clearly ain't one.xxx
That huge dude in his entourage is now Cotto's conditioning coach soooooo getting back down to 147 is a pipe dreamQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
One hell of a first round five years ago.
Thread should be James Kirkland returns to fall
Kirklan usually at 154...supposed catchweight 153.
I fear for his health he fights with his face ,! I would not like to see him getting hurt.
Yeah Ann Wolfe nor Pops are defensive teachers. That's why he looked for another trainer.
I do think he can beat certain fighters. But it seems Ann and whoever aren't cherry picking his fights.
Exactly. With strategic and thought through instruction like " you get on him and stomp his biatch motherfookin punk ass James, fook that motherfooker up now" its safe to say his head will remain a piñata.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
LMAO! I am literally amazed that we haven't heard the "N" word from Ann on multiple occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliExactly. With strategic and thought through instruction like " you get on him and stomp his biatch motherfookin punk ass James, fook that motherfooker up now" its safe to say his head will remain a piñata.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I do remember the round he stopped Angulu she said " This is Yo' muthafuckin destiny!"
Ann, why do you think he lost to Ishida?
"James is a pit-bull. You can't train him like no muthafuckin poodle. Shit hurt me to see him laying there with his nuts all up in the air"
Ann Wolfe on Kirkland loss!
;D
I was never high on Kirkland at anytime in his career. You put him in against a world class fighter and folds like a lawn chair. Against Canelo Alvarez whenever Canelo got Kirkland in the center of the ring he found himself in perfect punching range for Alvarez. Instead of working his way inside and slipping punches he walks straight in. He got caught again and again and never learn from that mistake. Ann Wolf or no Ann Wolf Kirkland at his best is a class B fighter. Cotto would beat the shit out of Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
He didn't look that good in his last fights and I really doubt that after all he's been through (that does include what he's responsible for), he can turn the tables. He should retire, plain and simple.
No qualms from me. . I'm a ride 'n die with Kirkland to his end. I love "Bring-it" fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1I was never high on Kirkland at anytime in his career. You put him in against a world class fighter and folds like a lawn chair. Against Canelo Alvarez whenever Canelo got Kirkland in the center of the ring he found himself in perfect punching range for Alvarez. Instead of working his way inside and slipping punches he walks straight in. He got caught again and again and never learn from that mistake. Ann Wolf or no Ann Wolf Kirkland at his best is a class B fighter. Cotto would beat the shit out of Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Kirkland, Maidana, Pavlik, Paul Williams, workhorse Glencoffe Johnson. Those guys never were meant to be conduits for the sweet science. Just give 'n take hombres for however long they can last.
Not all brawlers can cut the ring off. But angry mofos with passion for pain?? They can! :rolleyes: Kirkland has yet to follow a foe .he hunts them down.......it's do-or-die when fighting Mandingo.
While many fans liked Ray Leonard...I dug the shit outta' Johnny Tapia. OK, he could actually box, but he preferred to BANG!
Gimme Perpetual motion Aaron Pryor over the sure sweetness of his successor SwePea.
Most of all. .Give me that 4-letter word profane mouth Ann "beat-his-azz" Wolfe's pep talk over Teddy 'we're-firemen' Atlas anyday!!!!;D
I agree with you on the blood and guts fighters. The fighters that you mention above in that category were not master technicians but i think the case can be made for most at least one point in their career where the seemed to have a consciousness about what they were looking for when they went into the tool box. Pavlick against Taylor, Maidana vs floyd developed a jab, williams against margarito, Glen johnson in the tarver fights maybe. They kind knew blindly wading in wasnt gonna cut it so even if just for a fight or series of fights they raised their game and became a more complete fighter. I've yet to see this with kirkland, which is frustrating because he seems to assume with being used and blasted out is what he was here for, like a pitbull raised for fights. Those other guys at least for a brief period seemed to be... I guess the term would be "self aware" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeNo qualms from me. . I'm a ride 'n die with Kirkland to his end. I love "Bring-it" fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1I was never high on Kirkland at anytime in his career. You put him in against a world class fighter and folds like a lawn chair. Against Canelo Alvarez whenever Canelo got Kirkland in the center of the ring he found himself in perfect punching range for Alvarez. Instead of working his way inside and slipping punches he walks straight in. He got caught again and again and never learn from that mistake. Ann Wolf or no Ann Wolf Kirkland at his best is a class B fighter. Cotto would beat the shit out of Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Kirkland, Maidana, Pavlik, Paul Williams, workhorse Glencoffe Johnson. Those guys never were meant to be conduits for the sweet science. Just give 'n take hombres for however long they can last.
Not all brawlers can cut the ring off. But angry mofos with passion for pain?? They can! :rolleyes: Kirkland has yet to follow a foe .he hunts them down.......it's do-or-die when fighting Mandingo.
While many fans liked Ray Leonard...I dug the shit outta' Johnny Tapia. OK, he could actually box, but he preferred to BANG!
Gimme Perpetual motion Aaron Pryor over the sure sweetness of his successor SwePea.
Most of all. .Give me that 4-letter word profane mouth Ann "beat-his-azz" Wolfe's pep talk over Teddy 'we're-firemen' Atlas anyday!!!!;D
Well that was quick
James Kirkland Arrested Over Child Support Beef - Boxing News
No crime committed. A damn shame to incarcerate any man for that. Like it benefits the kid.
Government could've sliced up that Canelo check.