Are people overlooking Carlos Cuadras' chances against Roman Gonzalez?

Carlos Cuadras is in his prime at age 28 and his record is 35-0-1. Roman Gonzalez will be his 7th defense of his WBC Super Flyweight title.

I've been watching him on Youtube, he's actually very good.

I'm not saying he'll beat Gonzalez, but he's not going to be a pushover.

I just don't know any of this guys opponents, tried watching a bit of him too and you're right, he is very good. Chocolatito truly seems like a special fighter though, and though he's moved up quite a bit there is so little between the weights, he should show himself to be in a different class imo.

Probably guilty of overlooking the fight in general. Guilty here. I didn't see some miracle p4p buzz saw vs Arroyo and he never really hit a second gear late on, he looked soggy.

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Probably guilty of overlooking the fight in general. Guilty here. I didn't see some miracle p4p buzz saw vs Arroyo and he never really hit a second gear late on, he looked soggy.

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I'd credit Arroyo for being a better opponent than he was being given credit for.
Chocolatito is consensus # 1 p4p for a reason.
Watch for him to prove just why he's # 1 in his next fight.

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Probably guilty of overlooking the fight in general. Guilty here. I didn't see some miracle p4p buzz saw vs Arroyo and he never really hit a second gear late on, he looked soggy.

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I'd credit Arroyo for being a better opponent than he was being given credit for.
Chocolatito is consensus # 1 p4p for a reason.
Watch for him to prove just why he's # 1 in his next fight.

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Yeh very true. Arroyo proved pretty cagey and found some holes in his defense. Gonzalez is a tremendous talent and among the elite, but for me this fight and Kovalev-Ward winner and how will have much to do with p4p top dog.

Terrific fight. I'm highly anticipating it. I think Caudras is being overlooked because people are so enamored with Chocolatito, for good reason. My only thing is I think Roman was hurting to make weight a bit in his last fight, and that this weight gain will suit him really well, and his class will show. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if this goes the distance, and is closer than many of Roman's other fights.

Should Cuadras be considered the consensus number 1 in the division in light of Inoue's recent showing?

I'm not so sure Gonzalez fits in this division, he looked soft at the weight in. Usually guys at 115 are tremendously lean.

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Carlos Cuadras vs. Roman Gonzalez

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I give Cuadras a decent shot of beating Gonzalez

Cuadras has the worst back acne I've ever seen. I'm guessing they didn't do VADA testing for this fight.

Mexico has a luxury wine? So a screw cap instead of a crown cap?

Glad someone stayed awake for this ;D

Fight has been lost in the day. Just don't see unhittable 'superman' with Gonzalez.

Roman cooking with gas tonight.

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Glad someone stayed awake for this ;D

Fight has been lost in the day. Just don't see unhittable 'superman' with Gonzalez.

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Glad someone stayed awake for this ;D

Fight has been lost in the day. Just don't see unhittable 'superman' with Gonzalez.

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I love the avatar. If Trump wins you have to change it. You don't want to be tempting fate.

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30 seconds after impact and Trump victory ;D
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So apparently Arguello was a 80's Camaro??? Cuadras finding some holes last couple rounds but that return is going to catch up badly.

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Glad someone stayed awake for this ;D

Fight has been lost in the day. Just don't see unhittable 'superman' with Gonzalez.

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I love the avatar. If Trump wins you have to change it. You don't want to be tempting fate.

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Gonzalez is winning but he has a lot of faith in his chin. He could run into something here.

Romans face is expanding and bit busted up.

Inoue is watching some churning hand speed on Gonzalez here and thinking big things..good scrap here tonight.

;D FFS can we make sure Max Kellerman never works lead on another HBO card. Gonzalez getting all he can stomach last few rounds, dude is being worked and all slugger again late rounds

Gonzalez needs to knock his opponents out to keep HBO happy. I'm guessing they're going to push for the Estrada rematch next.

Good decision.

Right guy won. He's maxed out as far at weight though. Strong intense lead but again sluggish late.

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Right guy won. He's maxed out as far at weight though. Strong intense lead but again sluggish late.

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So how to go forward, 2 more fights to get used to the weight and then the dream fight with Inoue?

gonzales won but he should probably not move up any further, he also looked the worse for wear n tear. Fun fairly competitive fight

I scored it a draw, 114-114.

Gonzalez landed more, but Cuadras landed the harder, more hurtful punches. Evidence of this is Gonzalez' face.

Big respect to both fighters. Chocolatito is a very good fighter. He has good movement and throws very well with both hands. Cuadras proved that he is legit. I wouldn't mind a rematch

Happy with the result. Roman fought the fight he needed to fight against a naturally bigger guy from the calzaghe school of hard flurrying. When you have a guy that likes to ray leonard his way around the ring and then ambush you with a flurries whenever you get in, you either have to have the power to throw with him and catch him in the middle or you have to stay on him and take his room away and never let him get set. For a smaller guy without the power to knock Cuadras out and a reach disadvantage, he had to take a few to get in counter, disrupt his rhythm and score while Cuadras was on the run and keep him from getting set.

It was uglier than chocolatito's normal fights but it was warranted given the level of opponent, style, size and reach differences. I don't know if we'll see this all the time. One might argue he still took a lot less punches than he could have. He does a lot of the little things better than almost any fighter i've seen. His footwork is excellent, he's very good at gauging his ranges and has this knack for having his hands in the right place at almost all times. The way he carries his hands has him in the position to throw short punches (almost like 6 inch punches, but at the same time pick off a lot of counters both actively and passively)

roman doesnt care much for defense. if he steps up any more in weight, he might get his head knocked off. Walking forward and just throwing punches all night. THen he moved his head to avoid here and there

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Right guy won. He's maxed out as far at weight though. Strong intense lead but again sluggish late.

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So how to go forward, 2 more fights to get used to the weight and then the dream fight with Inoue?

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He's calling this the toughest fight of his career so you're probably right. In fairness still wonder if Inoue is bit green in the early rounds also. He could unify with less risks in Concepcion or the Jerwin fella. But pushing 30 with rare exception is considered an old man at this weight and one of the shorter in stature also, just don't think he has frame..or defense..for more weight. If they made it would be a mega fight and hope they strike while the iron is hot!

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Lederman's gave his usual puzzling analysis. He completely dismissed Cuadras' performance and basically labeled him as a runner for the entire fight. BS.

I'm glad to see the little men of our sport get some love here.... I thought the fight could have been scored a draw but could easily see 7 rounds to 5 for Roman... I gave Carlos Cuadras rounds 1, 5, 6 10, 11 & 12 by the slimmest of margins and also thought this was a FOTY candidate..... Chocolatito's face was jacked after the fight and I've seen similar type of swelling that made me think Roman had a broken jaw....

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Lederman's gave his usual puzzling analysis. He completely dismissed Cuadras' performance and basically labeled him as a runner for the entire fight. BS.

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Cuadras fought a tremendous fight. That being said, there were some rounds in which Chocolatito practically had to sprint forward to try and reach Cuadras, who must've been going the same speed backing up. Lederman may have just stuck that image in his mind throughout the rest of the fight.

Just watched the fight again. Still thought it was clear Gonzalez took it, looked up the rd by rd punch stats and they mirrored what I saw. Except the 12th I couldn't tell who landed more and if I guessed I would have guessed Cuadras. But there was a long stretch where Gonzalez was the only one working so I can't say him showing more was egregious.

The telling difference for me was leverage. Cuadras would flurry, Gonzalez uses combinations. Gonzalez is so skilled, similar to Spence every punch has great leverage.

Fun fight, would love to see a rematch in 2018. I want Gonzalez to get 2 more fights at this weight and then an Inoue fight. If he could slip a Cuadras fight in next and then a soft seat before Inoue that would be fantastic.

Choco's face getting interviewed told the story of this fight. He's going to have problems knocking bigger guys out and he's going to take plenty back himself. I think HBO will want the Estrada rematch next but they're probably not going to offer him as much as he wants for the purse.

well the way this sport is getting famous i really on to it to not skipe any of the fight now

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Choco's face getting interviewed told the story of this fight. He's going to have problems knocking bigger guys out and he's going to take plenty back himself. I think HBO will want the Estrada rematch next but they're probably not going to offer him as much as he wants for the purse.

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Yes Kirk Roman has found his limit super fly I don't think he is big enough for the bantams.
I feel he should stay put at the weight or even drop back to fly weight.
Gonzalez is great fighter but he has reached his limit with his size and power.