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So here it is..another boring heavyweight fight from these two?
Fury has too much speed and movement for wlad in the first fight and he just has to do the same this time but with more accuracy!
Now...what has wlad got to change from the first round to win this fight?
Can he overcome his comfort fighting to get his belts back..be honest and brutal.
I think that Klit knows that he is going to have to be the aggressor in this fight and will think that if he can land clean on Fury then he has a chance of hurting him.
I think he may change tactics or up the tempo but I wouldn't be surprised if Fury has something up his sleeve as well.
Chances are though it'll be another terrible 12 rounds and people will complain again, I don't really care what happens as long as Fury wins and gets active again.
Ignoring all the p4p stuff fury is the best in the world..whether you like it or not..he beat the man.
Fury has age on his side and "should" be even better in this fight.
Fury beats Haye in range.
Fury beats Joshua.
I really can't say he beats Wilder yet because body language tells me that wilder wants this sport more than anything in this world.
If Wlad beats fury..haye will always loose to wlad so that opens up the doors for a Joshua/wilder fight to really identify who is the best.
Wlad needs to go for broke and get inside, make Fury work hard as he is fitter.
Wlad is shy with his chin and wobbled late in the fight so think he will get caught and coast to a loss. He will take the money and retire.
I don't think he has to change his style he has to just be more aggressive. Ask anyone "who hits harder between the two of them?" and aside from ross you'll likely find 0 people saying Fury does. Wlad just has to throw more punches and have some bad intentions behind them.
As your a huge Wlad fan do you think he can do that?Has he switched trainer or added any other change to his team?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
It's all in his head. Not sure if he is more aggressive as he needs to be that his stamina can keep up. Looked gassed and blowing in the wind in the late rounds first go.
Just having his mind in the right place is all he needs and I think he can do that. He seems refreshed, refocused. He wont' change his style, but he'll change his approach. He just needs to let the hands go, everything will fall into place beyond that.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
it's funny, as I picked Wlad for the first fight and I got that wrong as he was comprehensively defeated.
However, I don't think Fury has found being World Heavyweight Champ easy. He has said some stupid things and alienated the media. I'm not convinced he has ever been a good trainer and I'm interested to see how Wlad will do when he isn't psyched out (like he definitely was the first time)
Fury is a good fighter with a real fighters heart, let's see if he is more that a one trick pony
Wlad dominated a very weak division for a decade, boringly. Let's see if he can rescue his reputation
Wlad might be embarrassed by all of this and perhaps vitali kicked his arse in the changing room and gave him some brotherly advice for the rematch. I Like fury and agree with some of his comments and boxing needs characters like him..
He doesn't have to change his style, he just has to double and triple up on his jab, use his footwork and feint fury out of position. Last time he stood there watching fury feint turn and switch up while getting jabs flicked at him while trying to look for an opening. Vlad's gotta trust that the work that he's doing will create the openings instead of waiting for the opportunity to present itself and him trying to take advantage.
Vlads use to fighting tall so he doesn't realize he's actually got the advantage in height instead of a disadvantage in height. Vlad cant refuse to get low and work those jabs to middle. If he doubles up on his jab, and jabs to the body, its a bigger target, keeps fury off balance and will eventually draw furys chin into range as fury tries to counter with some swooping shoe shines, and leaving his chin unprotected. Aggressively working the jab and a lead left hook will turn fury and tempt him to switch and opening up for the straight right. The key to it all is managing the distance and keeping Vlad in range to land, hes gotta be progressive and unload fury whenever he gets into range early and set the tone for the fight. Let fury know hes going to have to work for this this one and its going to be a long night. Fights are won in the gym and Vlad can accomplish a lot more there than fury can.
I'm not sure it's about changing his style, I think it's all about Desire, and whether he still has that.
The stupid thing is that Wlad was blatantly worried about getting tagged by a guy as big as Fury. But Fury doesn't hit heavy for his size.
Neither did Ali when he dropped Liston in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Wlad just needs to punch more and in combination... Last fight was so weird to watch Wlad follow Fury around the ring getting tagged all night.... Put your guard up, move your head and feet and punch in combination man!
To win that fight, Wlad doesn't have to change the core of what he used to do; he has to not be arrogant and think that it'll be a walk in the park, throw the jab a lot and hammer with the other hand non stop.
Not sure what that comparison means because Ali and Fury are very different sized individuals. But many people believe the rematch was a fix and Liston took a dive. are you saying you think that's what happened in the Wlad v Fury fight? if it is, I feel that's a bit harsh and disrespectful to Fury on your behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNeither did Ali when he dropped Liston in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Come on Ross, I think you need to give Tyson Fury a bit of credit for a change! ;);D
What happened in the first fight happened like I said it would. I said it had many similarities to Clay v Liston and Fury did certainly box rings around a clueless Wlad who couldnt just over power him like he had other opponents.
Lennox Lewis has even stated publicly that Fury fights just like Ali;D;D
Most also expect the rematch to be Wlad getting stopped;D Whats he going to do different? Nothing. He will still miss, be left chasing shadows, get caught when he tries to open up. I honestly dont know why hes bothered with the rematch. Im bery surprised he hasnt gone for Wilder or Joshua instead.
ive watched loads of times i dont think it was a phantom punchQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNot sure what that comparison means because Ali and Fury are very different sized individuals. But many people believe the rematch was a fix and Liston took a dive. are you saying you think that's what happened in the Wlad v Fury fight? if it is, I feel that's a bit harsh and disrespectful to Fury on your behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNeither did Ali when he dropped Liston in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Come on Ross, I think you need to give Tyson Fury a bit of credit for a change! ;);D
the ref was a bit hasty tho :)
One thing I do agree with is that it's a pretty pointless rematch. When you say you don't know why he bothered , do you mean Fury or Wlad? If you mean Wlad, I agree, if you mean Fury, he had no choice, it was in the Contract. But I would rather see Fury fight Wilder or Joshua as well, and Fury probably would as well if he could.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes I meant Wlad.
Hed have done better chasing Joshua. Whether Hearn would have taken it is another matter.
Its ok for all the experts to say Wlad is wahsed up now but last year he was still seen as unbeatable and all the contenders were no where near ready. I think there would be serious reconsiderations? On wjether they really wanted their fighters to face him without him bringing a belt.
I would bet that all options were explored though for Wlad to face Wilder or Joshua.
Just for shits and giggles....ross, you boxing GENIUS....what happens if Fury is caught and knocked out? Just walk us through that please
Would we say "Fury couldn't get up for the fight" would we say "Fury was injured?" would we say "The ring was too padded" ;D ....I just would like to know that WHEN Tyson Fury loses what to expect. I mean we're obviously NOT going to mention the steroids. But I just want to know, is it going to be because Hughie lost earlier in the night to Andy Ruiz Jr.? Is it going to be some worry Tyson had over something unrelated to boxing? Please let me know what is going to be the line of events after Tyson Fury is stopped?
Accept Wlad cant do anything as he is shot.
As stated already and repeatedly, Wlad has to up his volume of punches. As well as that he has to deal better with Furys mobility and relative youth.
Wlad also has to maintain the aggressor state of mind each round as Fury may try to discourage him at the beginning of rounds to keep him in his shell.
Could be shot but I really believe Wlad is going to give this rematch everything he has left.I still want fury to win but want Wlad to go out in style...he has been a boring heavyweight champion with WWE tactics but has a good jab, and outside the ring he is pure class and a gentleman.
I think so too. Not only was he up against a bigger opponent, but he couldn't really pull the trigger and looked like he didn't really want to be there. That isn't good when you are already one of the most economical fighters output wise. Fury is a bit mental, but physically he should be able to do the same again against an even older Wlad. Wlad needs a home run and he hasn't had confidence in his chin for well over a decade, so it is hard to see him taking the risks to get it. He isn't in his 20's anymore and would gas out trying to do it even then whence the boring fighter he became.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Wlad wasn't shot in the first fight, he was on his best run of wins
he just came up against someone he couldn't hold
Hard to imagine a guy being shot after being so dominate and taking so little damage over the last few years. Even when he lost his title. If we see a repeat it's just as likely boredom and being too content did him over time. I really wonder if he has shifting gears in him now.
He needs more variety. More right hand leads for example. He needs to try to continue to commit to getting that lead hand around the back of Tysons neck so that he can transition from close to mid-range quicker and safer. He needs to rough Tyson up a bit. Control Tysons head. He needs to feint the jab more (or sell the feint better). It's not a lot really. Just enough to unsettle Tyson in a few instances so that Wladimir has a better chance of landing some of those meaty right hands.