Dems says "Conspiracy theory" but WHINED in 2000 when Gore lost!

Dems claim Trump is spreading "conspiracy theory" that Voter Fraud is a real issue.

Boy, though, were they FUCKING WHINING in 2000 about ELECTION FRAUD, HANGING CHADS, ETC.

what a bunch of fucking HYPOCRITES!

the entire system is ~RIGGED~ against Trump.

People are so blind not to see it. The human race is DONE if this has become so difficult to understand.

Brockton, are you really a supporter of Trump?

We just get endless media coverage of what a narcissistic and unstable character he is, who seems to say the most ridiculous, genuinely nasty and stupid things (not that Hilary is exactly batting in the pantheon of presidential greats either)

That may be our generally left wing neoliberal media though, are we missing something about the guy?

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Brockton, are you really a supporter of Trump?

We just get endless media coverage of what a narcissistic and unstable character he is, who seems to say the most ridiculous, genuinely nasty and stupid things (not that Hilary is exactly batting in the pantheon of presidential greats either)

That may be our generally left wing neoliberal media though, are we missing something about the guy?

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I'll tell you my stance...I was initially voting Gary Johnson, but when Hillary Clinton stole (check the facts, she stole) the nomination from Sanders (not that I like Sanders) and I was face to face with a 4 year term of THE Queen Bitch of all Queen bitches I decided, fuck it I'm voting Trump he's why we have separation of powers and checks and balances.

Donald Trump is liked because he pisses off all the right people....THE ESTABLISHMENT


Globalism the way the Germans, the EU, the UN, the Democrats and Establishment Republicans want it.....it ain't working, it is causing death, poverty, and destruction PURPOSEFULLY. Trump is just a figure, the movement behind him is a dangerous one and if he fucks up we're going to have to call for his ouster too. Americans who are voting for Trump are fed the fuck up.


These are strange times, they are scary times....a gun ban by Executive Order?!?! NO MA'AM! That is going to cause armed conflicts...it's why Obama and the DOJ are trying to Federalize the police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEby6wNBP3M

Beanz, you've just swooped in here so let's ask you some questions.

#1. Brexit or Remain, which were you and why?

#2. You're PRO-refugees and that's admirable and all, but do you not think that this is going to cause a bigger issue? Culture clashes and all? These people didn't leave Syria when it was peaceful, they didn't leave until they were pushed by the violence which seems to me like that means they enjoyed their own culture they had in Syria(or whatever Islamic nation they are coming from Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc) which MIGHT be slightly "at odds" with English culture.

#3. Do you think England should maintain it's sovereignty or should it form a European government. Should English voters have more of a say or less of a say in what their government does or does not do? Should other European countries have a say in what England does?

#4. Why do you care about American politics?


#5. Have you read any WikiLeaks doc drops? Especially the Podesta Emails?


I am interested in what your views are and would hope you answer, but if you decide not to that is fine as well.

Lyle those are killer questions that will be pranced and ~primped~ around like a pansy.

@X yes you've hit the nail right smack on the head: you are indeed only reading demonizing media slurs on Trump. It is the Largest Witch Hunt On Record, excluding my trip to nearby Cardiff.

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Lyle those are killer questions that will be pranced and ~primped~ around like a pansy.

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Ha, Beanz will answer if he feels like it and if he's just trolling he'll avoid answering the questions or keep trolling to irk you. I mean it ain't like you've never trolled on him Brock it's fair play.


Not like the man has a vote in the United States....he's Jeee....English, yeah that's what I meant ;) Tzom Kal you heathen bastard ;D...and when you're done fasting (yeah right) treat yourself to some bacon.

How mean! Suggesting pork like that. Its like a "porker" getting "porked"--- like Chelsea was "jogging around Lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001".

I posted a YouTube video. In a thread about whining. In which a man whines. This is a man whining in defence of a man who is lauded as the second coming by the whining thread starter. By any definition that is not trolling.

The 'person' starting the thread then suggests

'Lyle those are killer questions that will be pranced and ~primped~ around like a pansy'

As though I was running for office. I have not even offered an opinion. I just posted a video guys, lighten up FFS, who put a squirrel up your arse.

The Ironic fact that Trump like Clinton never answers any questions on policy with anything of substance seems to be lost on the thread starter or deemed irrelevant.

Lyle are you Trevor McDonald or Jeremy Paxman ? Why always with the questions ?
(It's happy fasting or have an easy fast by the way)

1. I voted remain. Not that I think the EU is some peerless shining example of democracy, far from it but because I could see that the Tories would use it as an excuse to push through their own agenda and forget the regions, the arts, the minorities, anyone who was not blue blooded landed gentry with shares or a place on the board in companies that they pushed papers thru for whilst in Government. The Tories will abolish human and workers rights and without the European Union funding many projects Devon and Cornwall will be even more cut off from the rest of the UK. For over 100 years there has been Polish in Plymouth (many joined the RAF in the war) and Jews in the South west for hundreds of years with few problems and within days of Brexit shops are vandalized and minoroty groups are turned on. It has become the red light for xenophobic attitudes that people used to be embarrassed about to be openly displayed locally. Nationally you have the Tories suggesting Mothers bring passports to the delivery room and that companies list all foreign workers. They are even talking about 'a crackdown on foreign students' .Really? How is that anything but regressive. The fact that foreign students choose to come to the UK and PAY for their degrees is brilliant both economically and culturally for the country. It pushes forward science and culture and keeps us on the cutting edge in many fields. It's like the most backward of Brexiteers are being told that somehow incestuous and nepotistic tendencies are the right way for a society to thrive because that is how the Conservatives do it, when we all know it leads to defective and regressive genes. You could not make it up.

2. The biggest issue for Refugees is that everybody else is bombing the fuck out of their country and they have no way to fight the massive business machine that is War waged by corporations and powerful people form both the East and West. Cultural clash is something pushed by those same powers. In Syria as in much of the middle east Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, Christians, Jews and Atheists often live along side of each other but it is in the interests of those who seek to control things that this is not allowed to continue. War is big business and division keeps the manys eyes off the assets being grabbed by the few. Britain's culture is like most of the west not some distinct pure vein that flows independently. Judeo/Christian culture is largely responsible for things as basic as our legal systems and our cuisine, literature, music, everything is and continues to be influenced by the fact that we have colonised half the world and now we are supposed to start moaning that people want to come here ?


3. I am not sure what you are asking here ? England or the UK? I think that British voters should have even a tiny say in what the Government does. Just last week the local council in an English County decided that they would not grant permission for an international corporation to frack the local area for Gas. The local people demonstrated against it and set up a petition to voice their disapproval. The Tory Government decided they would over rule both and allow it to happen. This is what passes for democracy. It is why sometimes direct action is necessary. Europe and Britain are inextricably interlinked. There is a lot of bollocks talked and myths believed that The Welsh (who have their own Parliament) and the Scottish (Who also have their own Parliament) are somehow more Celtic and Noble than the English who as Anglo Saxons oppressed them both as well as the Irish. That is probably the earliest example of SJW BHL bullshit. It's uncomfortable for people to acknowledge but there is hardly any Anglo Saxon DNA in 'English' Peoples DNA and they are just as Celtic as the Jocks, Paddies and Taffs. People never mention St Patrick being English or West Wales once encompassing Devon and Cornwall, or the bagpipe and kilt coming from the Cornish and the Bretons. Or that we all spoke French until very recently, or that all the Celts came from the space between Spain and France. So actually where i live we often have more in common with the people across the water than those in London or Birmingham. It was the EU that protected the Cornish mining landscape and helped redevelop some as tourist space as and helped support thousands of small enterprises including a new tungsten mine on Dartmoor near where I live. It was the EU that helped fund the preserving of the Cornish language and the distinct way it is treated from Devon, It was the EU that has helped develop infrastructure including the Universities in which up until this year I mentored and supported young people and supplemented my income so that I could make art and write and take photographs for the local press. It is the EU that enabled my youngest brother to do his anthropology field work on hunting and finish his masters study in Northern Cyprus and my other brother to continue his work highlighting those fighting against government censorship all over the world and educate young people. It was the EU that helped fund a young female Syrian reporter to finish her masters and travel back to her country teaching other women to empower themselves and report there. I could go on. So yes I don't see it as us and them, i don't see it as simply other European countries saying what England or the UK does. It works both ways and international agreements like the Geneva convention on Human Rights etc are not just a European invention. Co-operation and solidarity, common purpose these are not communist conspiracies. There is not enough of this in the world and it makes for better decisions and smarter answers. Forgive me but ALL i hear from pro Brexit people and Conservatives like yourself and Brockton is NEGATIVITY and moaning. You do not seem very happy and being so isolationist is not going to change that.


4. It's not so much that I care about American politics. Posting a video mocking a daft man who is crying about another daft man in a thread started by a daft man is not really indicative of caring...but

America is very powerful and it's influence in my lifetime has grown exponentially. I love much of American art and Culture but what is taking over and has been for 20+ years is not really culturally or socially empowering at all. It is really a dumbing down of debate and a desire to homogenise the world to make everywhere like little Americas. You, and I am sure Brock, will not like or believe it, (though Brock will no doubt have experienced a little of it outside of Asia where they seem to fawn over you) but most people don't like it and resent it. They consider it loud, brash, rude, obnoxious and pretty shallow stuff. The focus on Business and profit at all cost, the need for everything to be instant or drive in. No more independent family companies and the rise of bland chains the same the world over. BOTH Trump and Clinton represent that to us. The Corporate mega rich with no idea or care for the local community. When Trump fucked over everyone to get his Golf Course in Scotland resorting to bullying old people like he does, even the most xenophobic Scottish hating English thought "Typical Brash American with no respect for history or heritage or the environment, wrecking a small community for profit and vanity, Fuck him, i hope the Jocks win"


So either way with such dire choices the rest of the world is fucked with Clinton or Trump marching toward World War 3.

5. Really. You do not get it do you ? Because people find Trump laughable does not mean they somehow support Hilary. In the early nineties I was in a band in which one song whose title I can not mention for various reasons started

George Washington was a Freemason
A fact that you'll have no trouble tracing
Bill Clinton Fucking Dictator
Maybe the President but isn't the creator
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So it does not take a genius to see that even if I were American I would never vote for a Clinton. Not so long ago you were haranguing Miles about Assange not facing Justice and calling Snowden a traitor and now Wikileaks is your bible ?


I hope that answers some of your questions and that neither of you take anything too personally.

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I posted a YouTube video. In a thread about whining. In which a man whines. This is a man whining in defence of a man who is lauded as the second coming by the whining thread starter. By any definition that is not trolling.

The 'person' starting the thread then suggests

'Lyle those are killer questions that will be pranced and ~primped~ around like a pansy'

As though I was running for office. I have not even offered an opinion. I just posted a video guys, lighten up FFS, who put a squirrel up your arse.

The Ironic fact that Trump like Clinton never answers any questions on policy with anything of substance seems to be lost on the thread starter or deemed irrelevant.

Lyle are you Trevor McDonald or Jeremy Paxman ? Why always with the questions ?
(It's happy fasting or have an easy fast by the way)

1. I voted remain. Not that I think the EU is some peerless shining example of democracy, far from it but because I could see that the Tories would use it as an excuse to push through their own agenda and forget the regions, the arts, the minorities, anyone who was not blue blooded landed gentry with shares or a place on the board in companies that they pushed papers thru for whilst in Government. The Tories will abolish human and workers rights and without the European Union funding many projects Devon and Cornwall will be even more cut off from the rest of the UK. For over 100 years there has been Polish in Plymouth (many joined the RAF in the war) and Jews in the South west for hundreds of years with few problems and within days of Brexit shops are vandalized and minoroty groups are turned on. It has become the red light for xenophobic attitudes that people used to be embarrassed about to be openly displayed locally. Nationally you have the Tories suggesting Mothers bring passports to the delivery room and that companies list all foreign workers. They are even talking about 'a crackdown on foreign students' .Really? How is that anything but regressive. The fact that foreign students choose to come to the UK and PAY for their degrees is brilliant both economically and culturally for the country. It pushes forward science and culture and keeps us on the cutting edge in many fields. It's like the most backward of Brexiteers are being told that somehow incestuous and nepotistic tendencies are the right way for a society to thrive because that is how the Conservatives do it, when we all know it leads to defective and regressive genes. You could not make it up.

2. The biggest issue for Refugees is that everybody else is bombing the fuck out of their country and they have no way to fight the massive business machine that is War waged by corporations and powerful people form both the East and West. Cultural clash is something pushed by those same powers. In Syria as in much of the middle east Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, Christians, Jews and Atheists often live along side of each other but it is in the interests of those who seek to control things that this is not allowed to continue. War is big business and division keeps the manys eyes off the assets being grabbed by the few. Britain's culture is like most of the west not some distinct pure vein that flows independently. Judeo/Christian culture is largely responsible for things as basic as our legal systems and our cuisine, literature, music, everything is and continues to be influenced by the fact that we have colonised half the world and now we are supposed to start moaning that people want to come here ?


3. I am not sure what you are asking here ? England or the UK? I think that British voters should have even a tiny say in what the Government does. Just last week the local council in an English County decided that they would not grant permission for an international corporation to frack the local area for Gas. The local people demonstrated against it and set up a petition to voice their disapproval. The Tory Government decided they would over rule both and allow it to happen. This is what passes for democracy. It is why sometimes direct action is necessary. Europe and Britain are inextricably interlinked. There is a lot of bollocks talked and myths believed that The Welsh (who have their own Parliament) and the Scottish (Who also have their own Parliament) are somehow more Celtic and Noble than the English who as Anglo Saxons oppressed them both as well as the Irish. That is probably the earliest example of SJW BHL bullshit. It's uncomfortable for people to acknowledge but there is hardly any Anglo Saxon DNA in 'English' Peoples DNA and they are just as Celtic as the Jocks, Paddies and Taffs. People never mention St Patrick being English or West Wales once encompassing Devon and Cornwall, or the bagpipe and kilt coming from the Cornish and the Bretons. Or that we all spoke French until very recently, or that all the Celts came from the space between Spain and France. So actually where i live we often have more in common with the people across the water than those in London or Birmingham. It was the EU that protected the Cornish mining landscape and helped redevelop some as tourist space as and helped support thousands of small enterprises including a new tungsten mine on Dartmoor near where I live. It was the EU that helped fund the preserving of the Cornish language and the distinct way it is treated from Devon, It was the EU that has helped develop infrastructure including the Universities in which up until this year I mentored and supported young people and supplemented my income so that I could make art and write and take photographs for the local press. It is the EU that enabled my youngest brother to do his anthropology field work on hunting and finish his masters study in Northern Cyprus and my other brother to continue his work highlighting those fighting against government censorship all over the world and educate young people. It was the EU that helped fund a young female Syrian reporter to finish her masters and travel back to her country teaching other women to empower themselves and report there. I could go on. So yes I don't see it as us and them, i don't see it as simply other European countries saying what England or the UK does. It works both ways and international agreements like the Geneva convention on Human Rights etc are not just a European invention. Co-operation and solidarity, common purpose these are not communist conspiracies. There is not enough of this in the world and it makes for better decisions and smarter answers. Forgive me but ALL i hear from pro Brexit people and Conservatives like yourself and Brockton is NEGATIVITY and moaning. You do not seem very happy and being so isolationist is not going to change that.


4. It's not so much that I care about American politics. Posting a video mocking a daft man who is crying about another daft man in a thread started by a daft man is not really indicative of caring...but

America is very powerful and it's influence in my lifetime has grown exponentially. I love much of American art and Culture but what is taking over and has been for 20+ years is not really culturally or socially empowering at all. It is really a dumbing down of debate and a desire to homogenise the world to make everywhere like little Americas. You, and I am sure Brock, will not like or believe it, (though Brock will no doubt have experienced a little of it outside of Asia where they seem to fawn over you) but most people don't like it and resent it. They consider it loud, brash, rude, obnoxious and pretty shallow stuff. The focus on Business and profit at all cost, the need for everything to be instant or drive in. No more independent family companies and the rise of bland chains the same the world over. BOTH Trump and Clinton represent that to us. The Corporate mega rich with no idea or care for the local community. When Trump fucked over everyone to get his Golf Course in Scotland resorting to bullying old people like he does, even the most xenophobic Scottish hating English thought "Typical Brash American with no respect for history or heritage or the environment, wrecking a small community for profit and vanity, Fuck him, i hope the Jocks win"


So either way with such dire choices the rest of the world is fucked with Clinton or Trump marching toward World War 3.

5. Really. You do not get it do you ? Because people find Trump laughable does not mean they somehow support Hilary. In the early nineties I was in a band in which one song whose title I can not mention for various reasons started

George Washington was a Freemason
A fact that you'll have no trouble tracing
Bill Clinton Fucking Dictator
Maybe the President but isn't the creator
.....


So it does not take a genius to see that even if I were American I would never vote for a Clinton. Not so long ago you were haranguing Miles about Assange not facing Justice and calling Snowden a traitor and now Wikileaks is your bible ?


I hope that answers some of your questions and that neither of you take anything too personally.

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No this was all in good fun there was no feeling of anything don't worry everything is cool

Now I will explain it from my position. We have been waiting for a very long time for someone to come from the outside. Donald Trump is from the outside no matter how many billions of dollars he has and no matter how he looks like the elite to people he is not in the same group of elite has the career politicians are. It is true he has taken nothing from special interests will corporate donors and it is true that nobody can ask anything of him. He has financed everything with his own money. A poor person could never do that it would take a pretty wealthy person to challenge the left-right Paradigm the Republican Democrat paradigm that I have been talking about it for about 10 years now. He represents that group he represents that possibility that we have been waiting for for a long time.

It was alliterative teasing. No malice intended. @Beanz

The fact that the Bush family is deciding to vote for Clinton is Clear Proof what George Carlin and Alex Jones have both been saying for a long time. That they are all on one team. How could the bushes be voting for Clinton? It doesn't make any sense at all. Their agendas have publicly been so different for the past 25 years and now suddenly it is just so easy to slide over to the other side and vote for Clinton????. I think this clearly shows that they are all on one corporate backed special interest special donor team and that Donald Trump is threatening to upset those sweetheart backroom deals between foreign governments special donors and the politicians.

It's depressing, isn't it. The circus, the pantomime. The corruption, the rogue nature of it all. It is like being alone in a cage with a great white shark and it is thrashing you about with your innards splaying all over the place. There is no hope in a world like that. Death is the blessed relief. I see no way out and wonder why on earth people are living long lives and having children when all I see is damage and pain. There is no hope. All the conspiracies were true and we are in cages being thrashed around by great whites and the dizziness is overwhelming and you breath in the water and bleed and you lose consciousness and you are just glad it is over.

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It's depressing, isn't it. The circus, the pantomime. The corruption, the rogue nature of it all. It is like being alone in a cage with a great white shark and it is thrashing you about with your innards splaying all over the place. There is no hope in a world like that. Death is the blessed relief. I see no way out and wonder why on earth people are living long lives and having children when all I see is damage and pain. There is no hope. All the conspiracies were true and we are in cages being thrashed around by great whites and the dizziness is overwhelming and you breath in the water and bleed and you lose consciousness and you are just glad it is over.

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Or you are just grateful for the fact that you were not reincarnated as a bacteria in someones arse. Perspective mate. It's shit but you have plenty to eat and a roof over your head, nobody is trying to eradicate you and your family or bomb your block of flats. (or eat your cat...yet)

Trump is unlikely to win the presidential election and to be honest I think he already knows he’s lost.

He needs some outside event, such as a terrorist attack, or some very bad news from Russian hackers about Hillary for him to get to 48% or around there. If you look at the data objectively, Hillary is in a stronger position than Obama was in 2012 or Bush was in 2000 or 2004.

She seems to be about where Obama was vs. McCain in 2008.

The difference is that she is getting a higher percentage of the white vote, and her vote is going to have a better distribution across counties.

That will make it much harder for Trump to cull together the votes needed to win a battleground state. There is a lot of time left in this race, however. We have 3 more days of campaigning this week, and I expect that Hillary will take the next 4 days of (Sat — Tues) to prepare for the final debate.

Geez Beanz, I didn't mean to elicit a novel from you....fucks sakes ;) And no I'm not taking this personally I'm genuinely interested in what you think and WHY you think what you think as you'll come to see that I have evolved on certain things especially Assange and WikiLeaks and not only due to the fact they are hammering the fuck out of Hillary Clinton whom I loathe and have loathed for many a year.

1. That's understandable and I respect your take on it 'it's imperfect, but better than nothing'....I would just ask as a follow up Is there ANY way at all to be Brexit and NOT be considered a racist xenophobe? Is there a group who just appreciates England/British culture, values, political process, law and order? Must they all be lumped together as backwards thinking cavemen? I'm proud of the United States, I know my country doesn't have a spotless record but no country does and if other nations were judged as the United States is judged then we could have an honest discussion on things, but it never is. Things are always judged on a sliding scale with more advanced nations being put under the highest power microscope available.

2. The refugee crisis was one created by politicians with Globalist ideals. Here's the Syrian conflict in a nutshell.....Do you like Al Qaeda? (most everyone Western says "NO!") Do you have any problem in bombing Al Qaeda? (again most people will say "NO!") Do you have any problem with the Russians bombing Al Qaeda? (again, most rational people will say "NO!") and there you have it, that is the Syrian conflict all summed up. As for the actual refugees...I understand that in war people get displaced and people flee to stay safe. My view being SOME should flee (women and children) and SOME should stay and fight for their country (men aged 18-40) if war breaks out in MY backyard, I ain't leaving. My question is why flee over 2,000 miles to England or over 10,000 miles to the United States when you could flee 240 miles to Lebanon or just over 500 miles to Jordan or a little over 1,000 miles to Saudi Arabia? Don't Lebanon, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia have more similar cultures to Syria? Don't those countries have ties to Syrian people? Doesn't the Quran (which those Theocracies govern themselves by) ask if not DEMAND that Muslims care for one another?!?! It makes absolutely no fucking sense (unless you are a Globalist) to move those refugees to Western nations and I believe you will see there's a teeny tiny bit of growing pains shall we say in these populations moving into Western nations....it would be like taking your average American and dropping them into North Korea and saying "Well, here you are...stay out of trouble"....you don't know the laws, you don't understand the laws, you have little to nothing in common with the people other than you're just trying to survive...it just makes no sense.

3. I was basically asking though if you'd rather England have a say over English politics or would you rather outsource that to Belgium and the EU? You guys have a slightly different political system than the US. You guys don't have a 2 party system how we have it in the US. You have very specialized parties and they have traction politically...if you don't like the Tories then don't vote for them if you don't like Labour don't vote for them if you don't like UKIP don't vote for them and if others override your vote then oh well.

4. Understood

5. I didn't like Assange and WikiLeaks for a time, UNTIL I started to understand what was going on. New things were brought to light, the collusion between politicians and the news media, the problems which arose specifically from Globalism, and WikiLeaks not picking a side but just producing information for public consumption without spin to it. Americans have been getting news SPUN to them every single day for ages and to see how deep that goes.....it's embarrassing really. Hillary Clinton didn't just get questions fed to her, but she got ANSWERS scripted for her and yet we the average American citizens are supposed to accept that everything is on the up and up? Yes Trump IS laughable, but he isn't devious....people know what they are getting with Trump (we assume at this point). Trump doesn't attempt to hide his feelings it seems and all the better that the republican Party Elite HATE him. If Trump is a bad President then hey that's what checks and balances are for, but if Hillary is in office it's we're staying on the current path which is Globalism. I was ok with Globalism when I thought it was "We're going to make other places more like America" but it's not that at all it's "We're going to make America more like other places" and I'm sorry but we've fought wars over exactly THAT...that kind of thing makes Americans POORER I don't want that I don't want it for anyone in my country not even the Democrats.


Thanks for the response though, I appreciate it and I hope your fast was easy (if you fasted....can't blame you if you didn't). I only really know about Hanukkah and Passover because well Passover is super easy to understand (one of the bigger stories of the Old Testament) plus I've been to more than a few Seders (the Tribe loves me and I love them right back) and Hanukkah is just more well known in general...I know Rosh Hashanah is Jewish New Year and that Yom Kippur is the "most solemn holiday" but I don't know exactly what it's about so yeah....but I do enjoy dipping my toe into the waters of other cultures and religions as it helps me understand things better.

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Geez Beanz, I didn't mean to elicit a novel from you....fucks sakes ;) And no I'm not taking this personally I'm genuinely interested in what you think and WHY you think what you think as you'll come to see that I have evolved on certain things especially Assange and WikiLeaks and not only due to the fact they are hammering the fuck out of Hillary Clinton whom I loathe and have loathed for many a year.

1. That's understandable and I respect your take on it 'it's imperfect, but better than nothing'....I would just ask as a follow up Is there ANY way at all to be Brexit and NOT be considered a racist xenophobe? Is there a group who just appreciates England/British culture, values, political process, law and order? Must they all be lumped together as backwards thinking cavemen? I'm proud of the United States, I know my country doesn't have a spotless record but no country does and if other nations were judged as the United States is judged then we could have an honest discussion on things, but it never is. Things are always judged on a sliding scale with more advanced nations being put under the highest power microscope available.

2. The refugee crisis was one created by politicians with Globalist ideals. Here's the Syrian conflict in a nutshell.....Do you like Al Qaeda? (most everyone Western says "NO!") Do you have any problem in bombing Al Qaeda? (again most people will say "NO!") Do you have any problem with the Russians bombing Al Qaeda? (again, most rational people will say "NO!") and there you have it, that is the Syrian conflict all summed up. As for the actual refugees...I understand that in war people get displaced and people flee to stay safe. My view being SOME should flee (women and children) and SOME should stay and fight for their country (men aged 18-40) if war breaks out in MY backyard, I ain't leaving. My question is why flee over 2,000 miles to England or over 10,000 miles to the United States when you could flee 240 miles to Lebanon or just over 500 miles to Jordan or a little over 1,000 miles to Saudi Arabia? Don't Lebanon, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia have more similar cultures to Syria? Don't those countries have ties to Syrian people? Doesn't the Quran (which those Theocracies govern themselves by) ask if not DEMAND that Muslims care for one another?!?! It makes absolutely no fucking sense (unless you are a Globalist) to move those refugees to Western nations and I believe you will see there's a teeny tiny bit of growing pains shall we say in these populations moving into Western nations....it would be like taking your average American and dropping them into North Korea and saying "Well, here you are...stay out of trouble"....you don't know the laws, you don't understand the laws, you have little to nothing in common with the people other than you're just trying to survive...it just makes no sense.

3. I was basically asking though if you'd rather England have a say over English politics or would you rather outsource that to Belgium and the EU? You guys have a slightly different political system than the US. You guys don't have a 2 party system how we have it in the US. You have very specialized parties and they have traction politically...if you don't like the Tories then don't vote for them if you don't like Labour don't vote for them if you don't like UKIP don't vote for them and if others override your vote then oh well.

4. Understood

5. I didn't like Assange and WikiLeaks for a time, UNTIL I started to understand what was going on. New things were brought to light, the collusion between politicians and the news media, the problems which arose specifically from Globalism, and WikiLeaks not picking a side but just producing information for public consumption without spin to it. Americans have been getting news SPUN to them every single day for ages and to see how deep that goes.....it's embarrassing really. Hillary Clinton didn't just get questions fed to her, but she got ANSWERS scripted for her and yet we the average American citizens are supposed to accept that everything is on the up and up? Yes Trump IS laughable, but he isn't devious....people know what they are getting with Trump (we assume at this point). Trump doesn't attempt to hide his feelings it seems and all the better that the republican Party Elite HATE him. If Trump is a bad President then hey that's what checks and balances are for, but if Hillary is in office it's we're staying on the current path which is Globalism. I was ok with Globalism when I thought it was "We're going to make other places more like America" but it's not that at all it's "We're going to make America more like other places" and I'm sorry but we've fought wars over exactly THAT...that kind of thing makes Americans POORER I don't want that I don't want it for anyone in my country not even the Democrats.


Thanks for the response though, I appreciate it and I hope your fast was easy (if you fasted....can't blame you if you didn't). I only really know about Hanukkah and Passover because well Passover is super easy to understand (one of the bigger stories of the Old Testament) plus I've been to more than a few Seders (the Tribe loves me and I love them right back) and Hanukkah is just more well known in general...I know Rosh Hashanah is Jewish New Year and that Yom Kippur is the "most solemn holiday" but I don't know exactly what it's about so yeah....but I do enjoy dipping my toe into the waters of other cultures and religions as it helps me understand things better.

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1. I don't think everyone who voted Brexit are Xenophobic. Most are not and many are just a bit naive but it has led to an atmosphere in which many people think it's OK to be open about being an ignorant Bigot. In many areas too not just racist attitudes but sexist, and regressive hostility to anything different etc. Many of them were probably to dumb or informed to bother registering to vote anyway. I don't have a problem with being proud of English and British culture, I have often been criticized for it before on here so it just goes to prove that people will form an opinion and believe what they want paying little attention to reality much of the time. There are many within immigrant and other minority groups who are incredibly racist and ignorant themsleves. No one group has a monopoly on stupidity.

2. I am too very aware of the globalist agenda. Multicultralism in which a nations own traditions are buried under well meaning imbeciles hiding their own lack of education by adopting any cause willy nilly is not a positive move forward. I don't want to go to Spain and eat a full English Breakfast every night and fish and chips on a Friday and Roast Beef on a Sunday never speaking a word of Spanish and watching The English Premiership in a bar with a load of English Tossers trying to pick a fight with the locals and drinking myself unconscious. I want ot go to Spain because the food is different, the language is different, the art is different, the culture is different, the history the traditions etc. It is nice when you can find common ground and see an overlap. So I do not expect other cultural traditions to suffocate English ones . Something as simple as an English tea room serving Cream teas etc instead of mile upon mile of Italian, French and American style cafes serving lattes and cappuccinos and espresso but not having a clue how to make a decent pot of tea or know what clotted cream is.

Lebanon,Jordan etc have way more refugees than Europe but many educated families want the best for their families and so come further. It is not as simple as staying and fighting when you are being bombarded on all sides and from the air when you have no weapons. Saudi Arabia is ruled by fuckers who would wipe out a population rather than help them, Syrians are nothing like them like many Iranians their's is a very complex and interesting culture that is about much more than Islam and Muslims.


3. I try to be a pragmatist and vote accordingly. I have voted for the Trade Unions locally when the Labour Party refused to question the austerity cuts happening in my city and the Union Parties were the only ones willing to question the policies being inacted. I voted for the Greens in National Elections before Corbyn returned Labour to something more than Tory light and voted for various MEP's depending on what they would be willing to bring up and fight for at the EU. Farage and UKIP never once stood up for the fishermen of the UK and locally in my home city and all along this coast this has been a big issue, UKIP never stood up for the farmers either who are another huge part of the local economy which is pretty rural. So it is not from some ideological standpoint that I have not thought UKIP were too right wing for me it's because they were full of shit. They never put their money where their mouths were. We had a celebrity TV chef make a bigger impact on the EU fishery laws then they ever did. The same goes for national politics. We are not so different in the UK. There are more than two parties just like the USA but only two ever really get into power and they until Corbyn have been one and the same for many policies.

4. I am so stoked about Dylan winning, I love so much American Literature and Art that I would not know where to begin so I do not think the caricature of the USA is very accurate in reflecting many Americans and so that is why

5 Trump just seems to be underselling yourselves if that is supposed to be a real alternative. He seems to stand for and believe in little more then himself.

He is a braggart, but that is not as serious as the globalist multicultural criminal politicians' HIGH CRIMES.

1. So can you be Brexit without being dumb in your view Beanz?

2. I understand that entirely but when you have a "borderless world" that is EXACTLY what you are inviting. There are 4th generation immigrants to Germany who can't won't or don't speak German. There are such large groups coming to our countries where YES there ARE "no-go zones"....is that not exactly what you're against?!?! Not everyone has social tact, not everyone has respect for where they are and a fair few of these migrants are going to act exactly how you describe an Englishman in Spain....do you not see it? Are you just not affected by it?

3. I'm pragmatic...but I ain't suicidal culturally or otherwise.

4. I love art and literature and all that as well, but I look at recent art and it's just shit really....a ham handed approach of what was once counter culture. Desecrate Christian/Catholic images or statues or American flag or what have you "OOOOOH Yeah! That's BAD ASS!!!" there's no ramification for such a thing....do it to a Quran and now we're talking....figure out who you aren't allowed to mock and then you know who has the power. And I'm not a controversial person with my art at all (I paint, not very well) and I think it's just weak minded to do this sort of trite "Down with the man!" kind of art...talk about passe and there's no soul in it at all. Is this art? What is the purpose of it, the meaning of it?http://www.ewtn.co.uk/news/europe/es...ge-of-our-lady

5. Like The Great Man W.C. Fields said "I never vote FOR I always vote AGAINST!"....that is what this election will be. Because even his own party does not like him it means Trump can do less damage as President and that is partially why people support him. Hillary = corruption....go look, study, find out for yourself....I'm not so much a Trump fan but I DO want America to be great, I won't sell my nation down the river so some dirtbag Globalist can line his fucking pockets....NO....I want government to leave me and my business the fuck alone. Rand Paul is MY guy, he's no longer in the mix now I'm voting AGAINST Hillary....do you get that? I want to be sure I am being clear. Trump might be a bloviating idiot, but Hillary Clinton is evil

I'm pro Brexit and I am not dumb. I am just anti Orwellian superstates, anti un-elected dictatorship and pro nations remembering that they should exist for the people already there. Too many are already left behind. The fact that the Tories are doing what they are doing and thugs are getting violent has nothing to do with what I am about. Globalism, common purpose, the IMF, and the CFR and Fabians are a very dangerous and powerful lot and it isn't for the greater good. As for my sense of perspective. Well, I have a few things going on that I am not going to talk about as I don't talk anymore.

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I'm pro Brexit and I am not dumb. I am just anti Orwellian superstates, anti un-elected dictatorship and pro nations remembering that they should exist for the people already there. Too many are already left behind. The fact that the Tories are doing what they are doing and thugs are getting violent has nothing to do with what I am about. Globalism, common purpose, the IMF, and the CFR and Fabians are a very dangerous and powerful lot and it isn't for the greater good. As for my sense of perspective. Well, I have a few things going on that I am not going to talk about as I don't talk anymore.

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Nobody said you or all Pro Brexiters where dumb. That has just become a routine argument by pro Trump and Brexit people who ironically like to turn themselves into the persecuted minority. I hesitate to call it a complex but it is a strawman argument invented to discredit anyone who questions them. The Tories under May are about to Torpedo the NHS. If you want an example of too many people left behind you need look no further than the victims of a Tory led super corporation in which a cabinet of millionaires asset strip a country and claim to be broke whilst spending the money on weapons with which to bomb innocent civilians. The Tory Government under May are not just a potentially dangerous lot these are proven bastards with form. You can no longer take a history of art 'A' Level because everything has come down to the bottom Dollar, and while that may seem quite minor, it symptomatic of a future in which nothing of value is preserved and vacuous money chasing yuppies snort whilst every other fucker is crushed under the corporate machine. The PRo Brexit promise of Millions more for the NHS has now been revealed as not one extra penny for the NHS. The fact that Tories are doing what they are doing has EVERYTHING to do with what you are talking about, because the money is in making it private for every Tory and their friends and relatives. There is no stopping it now that May and her cronies have convinced the populace that the Pro Brexit vote is a mandate for them to do whatever they choose. They have insisted that nothing will be debated in Parliament. With all due respect you have not had to live here the last few years and the fuckers are tightening the thumbscrews way more than any European superstate. They are killing people off and suggesting that being rich is more important than being educated whilst patronizing a surprisingly compliant population of people willingly stupefying themselves by buying into that profit led empty nonsense. They see the shiny baubles at the top of the tree and think that could be them without realising how unlikely that is when they are so easy to crush underfoot when hanging low. Small enterprise and tradesmen don't need to fall far to hit rock bottom and do not have the safety net that those cunts at the top have created by treading on everyone below for generations and now pillaging the piggy banks that people had invested in education and health. You have academies instead of schools that are selling off playing fields to build houses on, staffed by people without teaching qualifications. That is exactly what America would get under Trump who is his own special interest company. Alex Jones is crying for Christs sake like a spoilt brat for another baby with a squirrel on his head and people are buying him as an alternative? You are correct ,TOO many are already left behind, but not in the UK or America. In the countries they are helping to tear to pieces, Places like Yemen and Syria. That is not the fault of the EU. This is something they are doing in the name of every British and American citizen as they sell weapons to the Saudis and blame national problems on refugees they help to create. This is happening now every day and people are worried about whining in an election that has not even been held? Infowars are selling you just another flavour of cool aid much like Assange and wikileaks, and people are lapping it up. It 's not just the BBC and CNN or FOX, Al Jeezera , RT, they all are filtering stuff through their own belief systems and agendas. Leaving the European Union under a representative government that had at least laid out plans and aims in doing so, with a commitment to plugging the gaping holes left and a commitment to maintain some kind of genial diplomacy and preserve huma rights and investment and preservation projects might have been a progressive option if they had their own house in order, But Brexit at all costs, whilst tearing up alliances and ditching everything built up over years is just wanton vandalism. Fucking over the country to stuff more foi gras in their greedy little mouths, all the time pretending that 'they turk our jobs' and that every pro brexit voter is a lifelong Tory who would want them to dismantle the education system and health service to stuff every spare plastic fiver into their back pockets as the NHS crumbles.You wait to May and Trump get together it will make Thatcher and Reagan look like John and Yoko. God help ushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy3-R97wDKs

Beanz, honey you're delusional. Take 1 second read the Podesta emails (verified true by Hillary herself in the last debate) and tell me that is better than Trump.

What is going on with the Democratic party and news media would make Goebbles bust a nut.

We'll be on the verge of a real honest to God Civil War if Hillary wins...not a war of secession I mean a fucking take DC by force Civil War. And what is scarier than that is we may not get there, Obama may start war with Russia before that....this is not a drill man

I don't think Brexit allows the Tories to do what they want at all, but the apathy of the general public has the potential to do that. The NHS privatisation has been going on for 30 years, as has neo liberalism, the enslavement of young people, the general destruction of working conditions, the opening of the borders etc. The EU as a concept is wrong. What the Tories try to do is wrong. They are both wrong. It is up to people to band together and reclaim politics and that is somewhat happening with Corbyn's Labour. The huge weakness in Corbyn's Labour though are the elected MP's, the toxic legacy and refusal to listen to ordinary people who have been left behind when it comes to migration policies. It will mean they struggle to regain UKIP voters who are very important and should be listened to.

Ordinary people HAVE been left behind. I don't know how you can say they haven't, Beanz. They are either struggling to get hours in service jobs or saddling 50 grand of debt or living in a basement unable to marry or have children. They have been left behind and the politicians favor the quick fix of immigration, but what that leads to is societal chaos as seen today.

I don't have time to make a long post, but I think ordinary citizens have been left behind and they are not to blame for Syria or Iraq and Labour needs to understand those concerns if the Tories are ever to be stopped. The EU is over and as a believer in democracy, that is the way forward.

tens of thousands of armed patriots will definitely violently overthrow the government if the ~ ~Evil" Dwarf Vagina~ ~ steals the election via TOTAL CONTROL OF THE NY TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, MSM, VOX.COM, GIGGLES.COM, ETC....

They have admitted openly that "JOURNALISM SHALL BE SUSPENDED, AS WE HAVE A MORAL DUTY TO AMERICA TO STOP TRUMP FROM GETTING ELECTED."

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Beanz, honey you're delusional. Take 1 second read the Podesta emails (verified true by Hillary herself in the last debate) and tell me that is better than Trump.What is going on with the Democratic party and news media would make Goebbles bust a nut.We'll be on the verge of a real honest to God Civil War if Hillary wins...not a war of secession I mean a fucking take DC by force Civil War. And what is scarier than that is we may not get there, Obama may start war with Russia before that....this is not a drill man

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Where have I or anyone else suggested that Hillary is better than Trump? Stop Putin words into people's mouths and take your head out of the sand. Trump is not about to lead you into the land of milk and honey. Wake up.

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tens of thousands of armed patriots will definitely violently overthrow the government if the ~ ~Evil" Dwarf Vagina~ ~ steals the election via TOTAL CONTROL OF THE NY TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, MSM, VOX.COM, GIGGLES.COM, ETC....They have admitted openly that "JOURNALISM SHALL BE SUSPENDED, AS WE HAVE A MORAL DUTY TO AMERICA TO STOP TRUMP FROM GETTING ELECTED."

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What does someone having a vagina have to do with anything? You are throwing in your lot with a rabble that would not think twice about crushing you all in a stampede. If you think Trumps law and order jackboots will stop to check the passport of anyone they deem different, including you and your loved ones, you are crediting them with a sophistication they have shown no ability to grasp let alone enact.

for me its a case of which TURD do you vote for.

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tens of thousands of armed patriots will definitely violently overthrow the government if the ~ ~Evil" Dwarf Vagina~ ~ steals the election via TOTAL CONTROL OF THE NY TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, MSM, VOX.COM, GIGGLES.COM, ETC....They have admitted openly that "JOURNALISM SHALL BE SUSPENDED, AS WE HAVE A MORAL DUTY TO AMERICA TO STOP TRUMP FROM GETTING ELECTED."

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What does someone having a vagina have to do with anything? You are throwing in your lot with a rabble that would not think twice about crushing you all in a stampede. If you think Trumps law and order jackboots will stop to check the passport of anyone they deem different, including you and your loved ones, you are crediting them with a sophistication they have shown no ability to grasp let alone enact.

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Beanz I think you know the power of vagina

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tens of thousands of armed patriots will definitely violently overthrow the government if the ~ ~Evil" Dwarf Vagina~ ~ steals the election via TOTAL CONTROL OF THE NY TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, MSM, VOX.COM, GIGGLES.COM, ETC....They have admitted openly that "JOURNALISM SHALL BE SUSPENDED, AS WE HAVE A MORAL DUTY TO AMERICA TO STOP TRUMP FROM GETTING ELECTED."

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What does someone having a vagina have to do with anything? You are throwing in your lot with a rabble that would not think twice about crushing you all in a stampede. If you think Trumps law and order jackboots will stop to check the passport of anyone they deem different, including you and your loved ones, you are crediting them with a sophistication they have shown no ability to grasp let alone enact.

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Dude I know you aren't that daft. Talk about wild conspiracy theories! Take a deep breath, .....

I like what Lyle said about learning new things and seeing different things. I feel the same. It would be strange to be exactly the same poster you were just a few years ago. The world changes and your understanding is in a state of flux. The only thing that remains consistent is the number of lies Hilary Clinton says per day. She never gets called on it which you would once think astonishing, but you would expect nothing else from the mainstream now. The mainstream is dead whence why freedom of the Internet has to go according to these people.

I haven't read through all this but...The whole idea of voter fraud started with the libturds bitching about the 2004 election. Their point was based on the variance between exit polling and the actual results in Ohio. Greg Palast subsequently wrote about this. He, being of a libtard persuasion, explained how those likely to vote democrat were excluded.In this election cycle things are different. For example, in the democrat primary the variance between the exit polls and results were often in the 5-8 point range; in Ohio it was 2 points. This was voter fraud to benefit Hitlery and has never made the mainstream news.Trump's claims are valid. Do you think there will be ANY mention of exit poll results this year?

Podesta emails #9 dropped....not like those are worth reading or anything, eh comrades?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSnx0OlUyyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcgiE3M6IQE

The Democrooks are the biggest hypocrites... we all know this!

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Better than the Republicons. ;)