Eduard Gutknecht rushed to hospital after defeat to George Groves
I watched the fight this morning and I was calling for them to stop the fight in the 10th when he eye had swollen shut, he couldn't see the punches, his head was snapping back off the jabs and straights, and he was taking some heavy shots.
He couldn't win the fight and he was never going to get the KO, these Eastern Europeans rarely throw the towell in though do they, they are known for leaving it all in the ring but sometimes you can be too brave for your own good.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxin...george-groves/
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There were reports Gutknecht, 34, needed to be resuscitated on his way to the neurological unit at St Mary’s Hospital after he briefly stopped breathing.
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That's a shame. Hope he pulls through okay.
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Primo Carnera
They mentioned something at the end of the programme. Let's hope he's ok. He took a lot of punishment, but it is difficult when somebody is as game as he is as to when you stop the fight. Let's just hope he's ok.
I think you stop it when they are taking a beating for a beatings sake, if a points win is impossible and they are not going to get the ko then the corner should pull them out, im not saying as soon as victory is out of reach they should stop the fight but when the eye closed up the corner shold have stopped and thought about how much more he needed to take.
I wanna see blood and snot as much as the next person but I want to see it in a competitive fight.
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Was just talking to @Memphis about this on Fbook, he was miles behind on points and from the 10th had one eye shut and Groves was landing bombs at will.
He stopped breathing in the Ambulance too
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Thing is if a fighter is still marching forward and throwing punches the ref has little or no reason to stop it, yeah his eye was closed late on but that's the corners job to protect their fighter first and foremost and then the refs.
I agree with @Batman about Groves when he gets hit sometimes, i said the same in the main fight thread last night...... he does pretty often just stumble forward and visibly looks shaken which gives the impression the opponent is having success.
I'd bet alot of money he had a small brain bleed before he even got into the ring picked up in sparring like 99% of the other fighters who suffer the same.
That's 1 death and 2 fighters hospitalised in the UK alone since March (Blackwell) and when you read that Mike Towell literally begged doctors for a brain scan days before his death but was instead given a paracetamol it makes you wonder when not if the BBBofC will finally introduce pre fight scans to protect the fighters and their families.
Takes minutes to do and yeah it would be a logistical and scheduling nightmare for promoters etc but at the end of the day what is more important?
Mike Towell's partner claims tragic boxer asked for brain scan three times before fight which cost him his life - Mirror Online
Nick Blackwell: Boxers calls for pre-fight brain scans for fighters - BBC Sport
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I was thinking how much punishment he was taking and what a granite chin he had but the real damage was the last quarter of the fight.
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Master
I was thinking how much punishment he was taking and what a granite chin he had but the real damage was the last quarter of the fight.
But was it? Facially yes the damage was done from when that cut appeared but the reason he's in hospital is not because of a swollen eye or cut is it.
Nobody knows what internal damage he took into that ring ;)
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Unfortunately we put him in hospital not George Groves.
We as the people demand a show. The fight wasn't competitive after round 8 (arguably before then).
When groves was able to land his jab/right round the guard every single time it should have been stopped.
Terry O Connor has been refereeing 31 years today!
He has refereed just under 1000 bouts so he should know better
Case and point, 95% of fans (mainly casual fans) would have complained of the stoppage, yet find it unsettling when this happens.
Hope he recovers perfectly.
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Master
I was thinking how much punishment he was taking and what a granite chin he had but the real damage was the last quarter of the fight.
But was it? Facially yes the damage was done from when that cut appeared but the reason he's in hospital is not because of a swollen eye or cut is it.
Nobody knows what internal damage he took into that ring ;)
It wasn't the swollen eye or cut that put him in hospital but that was when he couldn't see the punches coming and when that was the point I thought it should have been stopped, I was watching it with my dad and I actually referred to Blackwell and Towell as we were watching it.
I don't think anyone who knows boxing would have complained if it was stopped in the 10th, the casual fan may have complained a little but even if it was stopped people would have said it was an entertaining scrap whilst it lasted.
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If you read my quality round by round of the fight Groves had him seriously hurt and I thought he would stop him in the next round. Eduard was wobbling and never threw a meaningful punch but Groves never was able to stop him.
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Nick Blackwell sends message of support to hospitalised Eduard Gutknecht
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Gutknecht remains heavily sedated as doctors continue to monitor his progress after surgery for a bleed on the brain.
p.s. Chris Eubank JR should take note of how Groves has handled this
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George Groves has sent a message of support to Eduard Gutknecht after he was rushed to hospital following the pair's fight.
Gutknecht was badly beaten in the WBA International Super-Middleweight contest, which he lost via a unanimous points decision at Wembley Arena.
The 34-year-old collapsed in his dressing room after the fight and was rushed into the back of an ambulance on a stretcher.
Concerned by the news, Groves has taken to Twitter to send a message of good will to Gutknecht.
He said: "Out of respect to Eduard Gutknecht and his family's privacy I don't want to say too much but we were all deeply concerned to hear that he was taken to hospital after the fight last night.
"I sincerely hope it is nothing too serious and I would liek to send out all of my support and best wishes to him and his family at this difficult time."
Gutknecht needed resuscitating in the emergency vehicle after he “briefly stopped breathing and was drifting in and out of consciousness”.
It is being reported by The Sun that Gutknecht had to undergo emergency surgery on Friday night.
It is understood that he is now sedated and will continue to be monitored in the coming days in a neurological unit at St Mary’s hospital in west London - the same hospital Nick Blackwell was treated at.
Blackwell, 26, was forced to retire after his defeat by Chris Eubank Jnr - at the same arena - left him in a medically-induced coma before he was forced to retire after recovering a month later.
Groves' trainer, and son of Mirror Sport columnist Barry McGuigan Shane McGuigan, meanwhile, led the well-wishes on Twitter as he prayed for a speedy recovery for the German.
He posted: "Thoughts are with Eduard Gutknecht after tonight's fight."
WBA featherweight champion Carl Frampton also sent his well wishes to Gutknecht on social media.
He said: "Thoughts are with Eduard Gutknecht tonight. Really hope he's ok."
Gutknecht’s troubles, coming so soon after the death of Scotland’s Mike Towell, could once again ignite calls for boxing to be banned.
The right was won by Groves by a unanimous points decision, with one judge scoring the fight 119-110 in his favour, and two calling it 119-109.
The Saint has won his last four fights since losing his world title opportunities against Carl Froch and Badou Jack respectively.
The Londoner was in confident mood at Wembley Arena, and hurt his opponent with a couple of blows to the head in the fourth round.
Gutknecht's eye was cut in the 10th round, however the limited challenger proved unwilling to crumble, making it through the full 12 rounds.
"I am very happy with how I fought, it went exactly to plan," Groves told Channel 5. "I set a great tempo and busted him up badly. I am surprised he made it to the bell - Gutknecht is a tough character.
"We want real, big, proper fights. There was no world title on the line, but we knew Gutknecht was going to give me a tough fight."
Groves is now keen to fight for a world title, and admits he fancies another crack at Jack, who meets another Brit, James DeGale, in January.
"[This win] will push me on for a world title fight and, ideally, I would love a rematch with Badou Jack."
George Groves sends message of support to Eduard Gutknecht after German was rushed to hospital
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I find it pretty disturbing that after something like this tragically happens, everyone is after a scapegoat. "The corner, the ref, The fans," . The harsh reality is that Boxing is an extremely tough sport and at the top there are Extremely tough guys. Unfortunately, there are always going to be isolated incidents like this.
But one thing we can say to the credit of Boxing in the UK, is that the authorities have done and continue to do as much as they possibly can to make the sport as safe as possible.
I truly don't wish to be blasé or disrespectful to Eduard Gutnknecht's family, and obviously as with everybody else I really hope he makes a full recovery. I just don't like how we hang people out to dry.
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I blame the fans, we should all be banned!
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Primo Carnera
I find it pretty disturbing that after something like this tragically happens, everyone is after a scapegoat. "The corner, the ref, The fans," . The harsh reality is that Boxing is an extremely tough sport and at the top there are Extremely tough guys. Unfortunately, there are always going to be isolated incidents like this.
But one thing we can say to the credit of Boxing in the UK, is that the authorities have done and continue to do as much as they possibly can to make the sport as safe as possible.
I truly don't wish to be blasé or disrespectful to Eduard Gutnknecht's family, and obviously as with everybody else I really hope he makes a full recovery. I just don't like how we hang people out to dry.
I think it's alright to pass opinion on who you thought should have stopped it and when but actually blaming someone for it is wrong, no one wants to see a fighter injured and hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Three are Three too many in UK Boxing
“Thoughts are with Eduard Gutknecht after tonight’s fight,” Tweeted Groves’ trainer Shane McGuigan.
"Out of respect to Eduard Gutknecht and his family's privacy I don't want to say too much but we were all deeply concerned to hear that he was taken to hospital after the fight last night.--Groves
Super-middleweight contender George Groves busted up tough and game Eduard Gutknecht over 12 one-sided rounds by scores of 119-110 and 119-109 (twice) . Gutknecht - born in Kazakhstan but fighting out of Germany –became distressed in his dressing room after the fight and was rushed to a hospital via ambulance and eventually operated on. Reportedly, Gutknecht needed resuscitating in the emergency vehicle after he
“briefly stopped breathing and was drifting in and out of consciousness”.
After learning of Gutknecht’s condition, Groves cancelled plans to discuss his performance at a post-fight press conference reflecting the solemnity of the situation
Ironically, at the very same venue last March, English middleweight Nick Blackwell collapsed at the end of his TKO loss to Chris Eubank Jr. He suffered bleeding on his skull and was treated at the same nearby hospital and fortunately recovered, but he will never box again.
Then, in September, Scottish welterweight Mike Towell died just hours after losing to Dale Evans in Glasgow. He too had suffered severe bleeding and swelling to his brain.
Back in March 2013, Brit boxer Michael Norgove was taken ill his sixth fight of his career, after two years away from the sport and later died of brain hemorrhage.
And let’s not forget Chris Henry, Spencer Oliver, Paul Ingle, Rod Douglass, and Michael Watson,
While the win will position “The Saint” for still another crack at a world title, the implications of the fight could again initiate calls for boxing to be
banned. At some point it might be sage to look at the rather obvious common threads in these tragedies, as there are many.
This also might be appropriate:
http://news.sky.com/story/handheld-scanners-could-detect-brain-bleeds-and-save-boxers-lives-10621785