Farage attacks husband of murdered MP

This is the mindset of scumbag Farage. A man who failed 8 times to become an MP fooling gullible Americans like Brockton that he is some supposed barometer or mouthpiece for the British public. As though having to deal with the grief of losing your wife to a far right Farrage/UKIP supporting nutter shouting "Britain first, this is for Britain' and trying to bring up your bereaved kids alone was not hard enough. Farrage attacked Brendan Cox claiming "he would know more about extremists than me, he backs organisations like Hope not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peacful but actually pursue very violent and undemocratic means'


Farage and his croniesare poisoning Britain and our culture.


What made Farrage attack recently widowed Cox? Farrage ever the opportunist jumped on the opportunity the German Market massacre afforded him saying 'Events like these will be the Merkel legacy' not so very different from the same stupid views espoused on here in this tragedies wake. Cox replied 'blaming politicians for the actions of extremists, that's a slippery slope Nigel' and was greeted with being accused of being an extremist by the man whose own supporter had murdered his wife. There are lows blows and low blows but it doesn't get much worse than that. Or so you would think then the Brietbart columnist and Farrage sidekick James Delinpole tweeted 'When are we allowed to say that Brendan Cox is a total arse?"

This is what a Trump/Brietbart world looks like. Common decency and values like compassion thrown out the window for a chance to make a point. Endless NEGATIVE vitriol in which ANYONE or ANYTHING is fair game. So lies and stupidity are fine as long as they get to stamp their feet and keep their smug Alpha position intact.

If you think it is bad now it will only get worse. Intolerance is being bandied about as some new sought after asset. An attitude adopted by winners at the top of the food chain. It is a cultural cesspit in which hatred and prejudice are legitimized and even historical history of great genocides and social injustice can be dismissed as propaganda and fake. 'Hate Crimes' don't exist so that motivations to attack those that such narrow minded people are afraid of become legitamized as reasonable or denied altogether as well as justice for victims families and deterrents in future.

Open threats and suggestions that people opposing them or even just having a different opinion be hung up or raped become normal and the litany of such an avalanche of hatred is that any attempt to inject some levity into debates or question such attitudes is met with group think and and an insistence that being a decent human being or espousing values is really just being PC and trying to censor their heroically 'alt' views. It is the natural extension of an ideology based upon us and them. When you seek to create division then you must invent scapegoats whom you can blame. It is the them that must carry the can because looking inward and changing oneself becomes an admission of failure. It is being a libtard, a lefty , a feminist. It is a world view in which mental health becomes a label with which to target the vulnerable to say 'fuck em' because empathy is weakness and fault must be attributed. It is a curiously unchristian attitude born of a misunderstanding, an insistence that 'Sin' and 'falling short' are for the weak, the others those not blessed with privilege and the Alpha attitude should be disguarded as chaff is from wheat.


Are there naive people on the left ? of course. Stupid people? Plenty. Do they propagate hatred and demand that only their voices be heard ? not generally. Are they smug for it's own sake, do they mistake misanthropy for healthy cynicism ? not usually.

Welcome to the end of 2016. If thing continue along the same course 2017 is going to continue to be really shit for all but a tiny minority of elite untouchables now further emboldened by the support of swathes of previously realistic people buying into an ideal they think can get them a ticket to the chocolate factory.

Mr Wonka does not give a f$%k about you though. Smoke and Mirrors. He wants you to blame the unemployed, the refugees, the disabled, the guy who doesn't go to your church, the housewife not chained to the sink, the Native American that does not know his role as a pissed up loner in a reservation, the homeless guy in England that makes you feel uncomfortable when out shopping, the lefty libtard that doesn't aspire to vacuous materialsm, anyone but him the 'man' the guy who had to f88k you all over to make it despite being born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

lefty lib SJW group think was OK, but now that there has been a conservative backlash then therefore THAT groupthink is NOT OK. Oh Beanz, about that thuggish groupthink----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1LAqTo8FXE

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#luvthenewbeanz that was a good one. I especially liked the housewives chained to the sink or whatever it was

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0m5ZlgWEAAf75o.jpg


Here is Farrage supporting the Boxing Day Fox Hunt. 84% of the British population oppose it but the supposed man of the people is a regular. This is not your saviour. He is not an everyman and could not give a toss if the 1% sent the hounds after you to tear you limb from limb just for the 'sport' of it.

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lefty lib SJW group think was OK, but now that there has been a conservative backlash then therefore THAT groupthink is NOT OK. Oh Beanz, about that thuggish groupthink----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1LAqTo8FXE

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Unlike you or the fat white bloke presenting that rubbish they are not posting on here. Deflection Steve. Ignore and deflect. Smoke and Mirrors. It's what you do.

Are foxes a part of the feline family, if so I strongly oppose such a horrible sport, if foxes are canine I might give it a shot.

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The rich pricks who chase them on horses are the true savages.

@Beanz a fox of foxes a hound of hounds your tin mine fiends will make their rounds you made your point "Zounds! Zounds!" The Moshiach was born You blew your horn All your Janner scorn and Indian corn! And El Kabong the Goyim lad, you stole fire--- he has been had! Oh Bean you know I praise your diction and in our hearts we have no friction. Your tin mine jingles, how @Master loves that can of Pringles, our middle limb tingles, and it's YOU who mingles DAY & NIGHT, FIGHT & FLIGHT, FLY THAT KITE, MAKE IT RIGHT, SILENT NIGHT, SMOKE & LIGHTS, YEHUDIT THE DAUGHTER, AND YOCHANAN THE DAD, FUCK HOLOFERNES SLAUGHTER, WE ALL KNOW HE WAS BAD!!!, now you can't believe your eyes as you stare at the gruesome prize.

I have toned down on politics a bit as it is just insane. We seem to be reaching the points of insanity that got us into WW1 and WW2 and humanity seems to be regressing, while at the same time technology is now too far ahead. Everyone should get a plot in the countryside and detune.

I agree with Farage on the EU and open borders, but otherwise he seems to me to be just a Tory with a thing for the status quo that has also been ruining peoples lives. Progress would be someone of the left with a more critical eye on the EU and an understanding of the impact open borders has.

I don't think anyone, even people on the right, see immigration as bad, but it has to be regulated very carefully. Same with refugees. There is no reason why a safe zone could not be set up in the Middle East and the people go there. If you can create Israel, then you can create another safeland for Arabs without having to dramatically alter the make up of English cities. You want 6 children? Cool, do it in the safeland and set up your own welfare state. You want Sharia law. Cool, have it there. You don't want Sharia law, then have a non Sharia safeland. Have a referendum on it if you like. Nobody needs to get hurt and in turn we can stop arming terrorists and invading Arab nations. How's that for fair.

I haven't thought through where the safety zone could go. Probably needs to be an island considering how all the violent people have jeeps and rocket launchers. Probably get their hands on submarines then. Will have to be a moon colony, but David Icke says that is a space station.

Rocket blast
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Don't know much about farage but if he is doing things dainty people don't like he sounds alright. At least he is not cucked. Maybe we can divide the world between trump, Putin and farage. I'll think it over let you know what I decide

oooh, yes--- those dainty people.

In a nanny state the word "ATTACK" is now used for having a verbal spat with someone , what a fucking joke this society we live in.

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In a nanny state the word "ATTACK" is now used for having a verbal spat with someone , what a fucking joke this society we live in.

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Since when have the Tories been a nanny state? You are talking about a guy whose wife was recently brutally murdered being insulted by a man who is supposed to stand for decent British values like decency and empathy. I agree it is a joke society when nobody has the balls to call a right wing extremist who murders an elected politician on the street whilst screaming "Britain First' what they are, just because they are white. That is the problem with Farage, Trump and many of their supporters they are way more delicate than the so called PC snowflakes they so despise. A spade is a spade and they should stop hiding behind their twitter accounts and call it as it is.

Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to a hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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For me yes it is a nanny state where a man cant even say his feelings , because the PC idiots in charge fear it may offend someone it is fucking bullshit.

just, just....................... :lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolh aha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_6sU7O43w

here's one for the transparently-disguised Pompous One of Devon

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Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.

No Rich, not people like her, according to the Pilgrim its Farage and New Yawk and alt-right Lyles that have fucked it all up.

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For me yes it is a nanny state where a man cant even say his feelings , because the PC idiots in charge fear it may offend someone it is fucking bullshit.

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Who needs free speech when the government or a mob of insane leftists (if there's any difference :rolleyes: ) can tell you what to think?

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For me yes it is a nanny state where a man cant even say his feelings , because the PC idiots in charge fear it may offend someone it is fucking bullshit.

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My Grandparents fought against facists in the second world war. Farage is a facist. So much so that the traitorous cunt that he is, resorted to calling an anti facist organisation supported by a man bereaved at the hands of one of that facist c**t Farage's supporters , 'an extremist organisation'. So you are basically insisting that Facists like Farage should be spared any right of reply ? That anyone speaking out, protesting or fighting against facism is a PC idiot?

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Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.

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Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together but apparently people like her have fucked the country up? Not bent politicians? Not tax dodging corporations? Not hate peddling facists like Farage but some member of the public who you don't agree with ? Simple?...:-\

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For me yes it is a nanny state where a man cant even say his feelings , because the PC idiots in charge fear it may offend someone it is fucking bullshit.

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My Grandparents fought against facists in the second world war. Farage is a facist. So much so that the traitorous cunt that he is, resorted to calling an anti facist organisation supported by a man bereaved at the hands of one of that facist c**t Farage's supporters , 'an extremist organisation'. So you are basically insisting that Facists like Farage should be spared any right of reply ? That anyone speaking out, protesting or fighting against facism is a PC idiot?

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And that God damned Jody Foster will answer for HER FAN shooting Ronald Reagan!!!!


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For me yes it is a nanny state where a man cant even say his feelings , because the PC idiots in charge fear it may offend someone it is fucking bullshit.

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My Grandparents fought against facists in the second world war. Farage is a facist. So much so that the traitorous cunt that he is, resorted to calling an anti facist organisation supported by a man bereaved at the hands of one of that facist c**t Farage's supporters , 'an extremist organisation'. So you are basically insisting that Facists like Farage should be spared any right of reply ? That anyone speaking out, protesting or fighting against facism is a PC idiot?

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And that God damned Jody Foster will answer for HER FAN shooting Ronald Reagan!!!!


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Of course not. She has never preached hate. She has never tried to aportion blame on easy scapegoats. She is not a grubby little opportunist who has failed to stand up for the rights of her country despite being paid to do so. She is not a duplicitous shit stirring facist either

"...There has always been a consensus that when someone is grieving, especially after a brutal murder, that it’s polite to take their suffering into account before publicly insulting them a few months after the tragedy. This goes to show what a poncey effeminate society we’ve become.

When Britain was a great power, if your wife was murdered you swept her up and got over it by invading Kenya.
Now we can get back to those times, so instead of the usual turgid predictable speeches at funerals of murder victims, about how awful it is that someone so bright was brought down etc etc, we can invite Ukip members to liven things up by shouting into the coffin ‘you brought this on yourself, you traitorous liberal twat’.
Arron Banks, who funds Ukip, complained Brendan Cox “politicised his wife’s murder”. And isn’t that typical of the Metropolitan elite, as soon as their wife, known for giving assistance to immigrants, gets murdered by an anti-immigrant fascist yelling, “Give us back our country” in the middle of a referendum in which the main issue is immigration, the grieving idiot claims the murder had something to do with immigration.
He should be more like Ukip, who always respond to murders, whether in Paris or Berlin or Tunisia by issuing a statement that goes, “What a shame. The main thing is not to apportion blame but find ways of all getting along.”









http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7490876.html

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Of course not. She has never preached hate. She has never tried to aportion blame on easy scapegoats. She is not a grubby little opportunist who has failed to stand up for the rights of her country despite being paid to do so. She is not a duplicitous shit stirring facist either

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Beanz swings and MISSES THE POINT!



People are not responsible for who follows them...Farage didn't say "Go shoot Jo Cox" did he?




But that's ok....you're right, you're right because you have emotion Beanz, you are right for ONLY that reason....I don't want you falling to pieces because someone told you that you were wrong and you cannot fucking fathom being told that. You're right. Your emotion, that is greater than logic, that is greater than reason, that is the GREATEST way to win a debate.....pure emotion.

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Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.

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Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together but apparently people like her have fucked the country up? Not bent politicians? Not tax dodging corporations? Not hate peddling facists like Farage but some member of the public who you don't agree with ? Simple?...:-\

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See there you go again knocking my English, truly crying fucking idiot I have never said I like Farage and are you calling people who voted for Brexit facists.
It Called democracy weather you like it or not first past the post.
Well your having a rant Trump has won we voted to leave the EU get over it.
You like facts and figures don't you well in Germany over a 120 thousand crimes have been comited by migrants stick that up your ass and set light to it.!

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Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.

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Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together but apparently people like her have fucked the country up? Not bent politicians? Not tax dodging corporations? Not hate peddling facists like Farage but some member of the public who you don't agree with ? Simple?...:-\

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See there you go again knocking my English, truly crying fucking idiot I have never said I like Farage and are you calling people who voted for Brexit facists.
It Called democracy weather you like it or not first past the post.
Well your having a rant Trump has won we voted to leave the EU get over it.
You like facts and figures don't you well in Germany over a 120 thousand crimes have been comited by migrants stick that up your ass and set light to it.!

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Except I never knock your English. Never. I also never called people who voted for Brexit facists. Farage yes, of course classic facist. I have not even posted one thread or even one post since the Brexit referendum moaning about the result. I don't need a lecture on Democracy but what democracy is not is a perfect system. It is not an opportunity to say well that is it settled then we are going to be Tory forever or never change this law or get to shut down arguments from anyone (even if that anyone is virtually half the population) who don't agree with us.

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Except I never knock your English. Never.

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Beanz the guy was a lunatic thankfully not many people are killed for there political view in this country.!
UKIP are just EU hating Tory's remember many Labour seats in Wales voted to leave the EU.
Weather you like it or not you become a target when your in public office, ! not to be murdered but for critasisum.
Nigel is still spinning shit really he goes to hunt who gives a shit.
Politicians discredit each other in life and death it's a dirty business.

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Lovely woman I wonder were she had her labotome.
La La fucking land LOL stupid people like her have fucked this country up simple.

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Lobotomy. You can't even string a sentence together but apparently people like her have fucked the country up? Not bent politicians? Not tax dodging corporations? Not hate peddling facists like Farage but some member of the public who you don't agree with ? Simple?...:-\

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See there you go again knocking my English, truly crying fucking idiot I have never said I like Farage and are you calling people who voted for Brexit facists.
It Called democracy weather you like it or not first past the post.
Well your having a rant Trump has won we voted to leave the EU get over it.
You like facts and figures don't you well in Germany over a 120 thousand crimes have been comited by migrants stick that up your ass and set light to it.!

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Except I never knock your English. Never. I also never called people who voted for Brexit facists. Farage yes, of course classic facist. I have not even posted one thread or even one post since the Brexit referendum moaning about the result. I don't need a lecture on Democracy but what democracy is not is a perfect system. It is not an opportunity to say well that is it settled then we are going to be Tory forever or never change this law or get to shut down arguments from anyone (even if that anyone is virtually half the population) who don't agree with us.

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Beanz many people were belittled for voting for brexit by politicians questioning there intelligence were they not Blair was one to do so.
My feeling are strong because I see first hand what a open border policy has done to my area its fucked it up completely.
I don't need any fucking politicians to cloudy my views you live it you see it, half of fucking Europe taking jods our social housing.
My culture my community gone why do I have to embrace others when mine is fucked up.
Wrexham voted out because people were pissed off not because a toff like Nigel Farage told us to,! l talk to a lot of people and they resent large numbers of migrants moving in to the area I have never heard anybody saying they did not mind it was the total opposite.!
Remember just normal working people not fascists just LOCAL people remember we are living with it.

I am just wondering, Beanz. Do you think violence is ever a neccesary means of trying to achieve political objectives? I sometimes go to the historical museums out here and the occupation by the Japanese is well documented. It was obviously a very harsh occupation and not like the subtle occupation that you have with the EU. In the case of Greece though it is a very harsh and brutal occupation and they have no ability to control their finances, but what I am asking is do you think it is always wrong to try and force change through violent means? I brought up the museums here because there are large statues of people who fought occupation and in many instances these people killed others and likely killed innocent people in trying to do that too. In the museum though these people are considered patriots and heroic figures for resisting occupation.

In terms of the EU, people have never had the ability to express if they wanted to have a political union with Europe. It was only ever suppposed to be an economic bridge. Yet by stealth it became more political and more and more rules and regulation were brought in without the will of the people ever being brought up. Borders were opened and millions of people came in and again there was no consultation with the general population. It was a kind of long drawn out occupation. Done in a very clever and somewhat subtle way obviously.

What happened to the politician was obviously very tragic and somewhat pointless considering a referendum was finally introduced, but at the time I thought of situations around the world where people with no voice would join with others and try and fight for their cause. Most of the time the occupiers call them terrorists, but if in the rare instance they win, they become patriots or freedom fighters. When I hear someone like Dia make the case he did above, I hear someone that feels like he has been occupied and not listened to and his anger seems quite valid to me. The person who killed Cox seems to be someone with mental health problems, but who also felt that his country had been occupied. In the past I think you said it was being an apologist for murder, but I am not so sure it is. It's just another way of thinking about something.

I think you are someone who would fight for something you believe in, so I just wonder what you think the line is or how you would even define those lines. I am just curious as I am not sure what I think about it either, I find it quite complicated.

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I am just wondering, Beanz. Do you think violence is ever a neccesary means of trying to achieve political objectives? I sometimes go to the historical museums out here and the occupation by the Japanese is well documented. It was obviously a very harsh occupation and not like the subtle occupation that you have with the EU. In the case of Greece though it is a very harsh and brutal occupation and they have no ability to control their finances, but what I am asking is do you think it is always wrong to try and force change through violent means? I brought up the museums here because there are large statues of people who fought occupation and in many instances these people killed others and likely killed innocent people in trying to do that too. In the museum though these people are considered patriots and heroic figures for resisting occupation.

In terms of the EU, people have never had the ability to express if they wanted to have a political union with Europe. It was only ever suppposed to be an economic bridge. Yet by stealth it became more political and more and more rules and regulation were brought in without the will of the people ever being brought up. Borders were opened and millions of people came in and again there was no consultation with the general population. It was a kind of long drawn out occupation. Done in a very clever and somewhat subtle way obviously.

What happened to the politician was obviously very tragic and somewhat pointless considering a referendum was finally introduced, but at the time I thought of situations around the world where people with no voice would join with others and try and fight for their cause. Most of the time the occupiers call them terrorists, but if in the rare instance they win, they become patriots or freedom fighters. When I hear someone like Dia make the case he did above, I hear someone that feels like he has been occupied and not listened to and his anger seems quite valid to me. The person who killed Cox seems to be someone with mental health problems, but who also felt that his country had been occupied. In the past I think you said it was being an apologist for murder, but I am not so sure it is. It's just another way of thinking about something.

I think you are someone who would fight for something you believe in, so I just wonder what you think the line is or how you would even define those lines. I am just curious as I am not sure what I think about it either, I find it quite complicated.

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Well put Miles I feel we have been let down badly by politicians of all parties.

A large migrant Labour force who has benefited not the British worker that's for sure or British people.
We are brainwashed into believing this is good for economic growth etc what a load of bollocks.
The only thing it has brought is fucking abject poverty back into Britain.
Truly we have fucked ourselves up what for others.
Why don't we do a bit of we love our country not being made guilty to feel so by fucking idiots.

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I am just wondering, Beanz. Do you think violence is ever a neccesary means of trying to achieve political objectives? I sometimes go to the historical museums out here and the occupation by the Japanese is well documented. It was obviously a very harsh occupation and not like the subtle occupation that you have with the EU. In the case of Greece though it is a very harsh and brutal occupation and they have no ability to control their finances, but what I am asking is do you think it is always wrong to try and force change through violent means? I brought up the museums here because there are large statues of people who fought occupation and in many instances these people killed others and likely killed innocent people in trying to do that too. In the museum though these people are considered patriots and heroic figures for resisting occupation.

In terms of the EU, people have never had the ability to express if they wanted to have a political union with Europe. It was only ever suppposed to be an economic bridge. Yet by stealth it became more political and more and more rules and regulation were brought in without the will of the people ever being brought up. Borders were opened and millions of people came in and again there was no consultation with the general population. It was a kind of long drawn out occupation. Done in a very clever and somewhat subtle way obviously.

What happened to the politician was obviously very tragic and somewhat pointless considering a referendum was finally introduced, but at the time I thought of situations around the world where people with no voice would join with others and try and fight for their cause. Most of the time the occupiers call them terrorists, but if in the rare instance they win, they become patriots or freedom fighters. When I hear someone like Dia make the case he did above, I hear someone that feels like he has been occupied and not listened to and his anger seems quite valid to me. The person who killed Cox seems to be someone with mental health problems, but who also felt that his country had been occupied. In the past I think you said it was being an apologist for murder, but I am not so sure it is. It's just another way of thinking about something.

I think you are someone who would fight for something you believe in, so I just wonder what you think the line is or how you would even define those lines. I am just curious as I am not sure what I think about it either, I find it quite complicated.

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I think unfortunately people see what they want to see and seek out and surround themselves with those who share those opinions. Everybody seems to be ignoring the 48.1% of people who voted remain. That is very nearly half the population. I am not contesting the result but remember in Scotland that 62% voted remain with only 38% voting to leave the EU. So it is hardly very democratic that they will seemingly be forced to comply with the opinion of those not even living in their country. The discourse here on Saddo is by and large dominated by those not even living in Europe let alone Britain who insist that most Europeans do not want the EU. That appeals to their own sense of being some kind of lame rebel but the reality is that most Europeans do not want to leave the EU or give up the freedom of movement and trade that affords them. The 'they took are jobs' argument is a red herring. Again people are manipulated by large corporations into blaming people who are doing nothing more than trying to improve their own standard of living and support their families. Those using the 'They took our jobs' argument are nearly always the exact same people who will claim that all immigrants are lazy scroungers living off benefits. Why do the local people not want those jobs? because the conditions are awful and the pay is low? then how is that the fault of an immigrant for being willing to show some initiative and go and travel to find work?

It is very ironic when people are given the freedom to travel and work anywhere in Europe that they would invoke the cases of those availing themselves of that freedom as some kind of example of their own freedoms being infringed upon. It is more than ironic that yourself and Brockton who are or have both been immigrants yourselves for the last 20 years, have been the most vociferous in opposition to the freedom to work elsewhere. It is incredibly hypocritical of the pair of you. Teaching English as a foreign language is no more noble a calling than any other profession and yet you both encourage us all to look down on those who quite legally use their own skills to work in another country.

Then you have the case of Asylum seekers and refugees. This is where it gets even more ludicrous. I am assuming that neither of you have personally had to move and work in another country because of being persecuted, tortured or because your homeland was being bombed and was at war ? That being the case it is very curious that you both seem so very able to dismiss the motives of those in that position and to pretend that you would know how you would act and respond. Lyle is the same. The default position seems to be that at first you assume they must be on the take. They must be fake or opportunist. They should put up with whatever they get and even then you would rather demonize and use them as scapegoats.

Then you have the case of Jo Cox. You can say her name, it does not make you a liberal lefty even though that seems to be some kind of toxic label here nowadays. She was brutally murdered by somebody who you are alleging felt occupied? Really? In what kind of world is stabbing and shooting a young mother active in the anti-facist movement who fought the cases of those in the most desperate of situations justifiable? there is playing Devil's Advocate and then there is jumping into bed with the Devil.

Have I and would I ever use violence to fight for what I believe in? Yes. I am a pragmatist and while I would probably go about things differently now I have thrown a few punches whilst marching with the anti-Nazi league and Class War actions in the past. As a response to those that thought we were an easy target whom they could intimidate off the streets. I am neither proud nor ashamed of it but that is a world away from killing an innocent women going about her business.

I am still astonished that you would think some British guy was the one being persecuted by having to tolerate an MP who helped refugees fleeing a country being bombed and torn to shreds by the corporate war machine of the west. Something Britain herself helped perpetuate. This is how facism starts first the migrants and refugees, then those of a different colour, then the disabled, etc until each minority is demonized. It is already happening right now. At least 2000 people have died after being found fit for work and that is just the tip of the iceberg. These are not idle layabouts they are often people with terminal illnesses or extreme long term health conditions but it easier to portray them as feckless than address the issue of caring for them. It is what happens when compassion and empathy are scorned at and portrayed as weakness. It is what motivates twisted men like the one that killed Jo Cox.

What the 48.1 % need reminding of is that you lost a democratic vote , you don't get the best of 3 because you lost.I think it's wonderful we get a chance to try to run the country better, as it was the wish of more of the voters.

Interesting response. I was just curious. I am not against immigration or asylum, I just think you should consult with the populace first and by doing so moderation would be deemed the correct policy. Brexit seems to be a venting of that frustration.

I think it was terrible what happened to Cox, but I am not blind to how a nationalist might behave if pushed into a corner. The IRA was all about nationalists pushed into a corner and of course innocent people, as they so often do, got caught in the crosshairs. When oppressed some will turn to violence. I saw Palestinians today throw rocks at armed soldiers. Desperate people will do these things. Then again bigger bullies are using statehood and law which is their own violence.

I am just saying that I can see where it comes from. It doesn't make murder right though. Same with the guy who tried to shoot Trump. You would hope that a ing democracy gives people a choice but then I am not sure it really does that either.

I am using a phone so cannot post more fully. I was just interested in what you thought. Personally I find it quite complicated. At the very least we should stop messing the world up with wars and arms dealing. Take their names and give them a warning. They can do it to illegal downloaders but arms manufacturers and Blair get off free!

Britain First is a race hate group who disguise themselves to be nationalistic movement. The person that murdered the MP was a sick and disgusting person.

Terrorist or Freedom Fighter is an eternal debate and depends on you feel you are at that time. Sometimes you just do not know either way and may not have an opinion.

I do not know how I feel about the Sikh's that killed the prime minister Indira Ghandi for storming the Golden Temple or Udham Singh who assassinated Michael O'Dwyer, for the massacre in Amritsar in 1919.