Which boxer in your opinion has the best stamina?
Please also state the best exercises that can help stamina in any fighter.
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Which boxer in your opinion has the best stamina?
Please also state the best exercises that can help stamina in any fighter.
Having a low heart beat helps have good stamina but you normally start slow and build up until the fighter can not stop like a Duracell battery.
Holyfield had brillint stamina as did Shane and Manny Pac.
I think I see a pattern. :-\
Joe Calzaghe and Manny Pac. Joe could do it until he was 36 though and Manny hasn't had that output for several years so Calzaghe wins this one.
Prime Manny was great too though.
Joe is an example of a clean hard working athlete who built up his stamina through dedication.
Ricky Hatton could had good stamina too.
Manny and Floyd come to mind. Had a lot to do with being smart in the ring and knowing to never over exert yourself (especially Floyd, who would often have entire fights without exerting himself at all :-X ).
As for who has the best pure stamina, I'm not sure, because fight IQ plays a huge part!
Rocky Marciano
Loma
Trinidad had spectacular stamina, as evidenced by his amazing heart rate recovery time between rounds.
Zab Judah after 4 :kebab:
Tapia. Canizales for sure. Saad!
Hatton and Calzaghe were two of my favorite fighters, but Calzaghe had much better stamina IMO. Hatton had good workrate and pressure, but certainly in the last several years, I felt his stamina was on the wane. He struggled with Collazo in the second half, same with Urango, and I thought he was less than impressive against Floyd fading and flapping somewhat with the bogus point deduction. Was that stamina or red mist? Other fights and hindsight suggest the stamina wasn't quite the same. The self abuse had likely taken its toll somewhat.Quote:
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For a reasonably big guy Frazier kept up an incredible intensity. To maintain that intensity over 5 rounds takes decent stamina extend it to 12-15 and that is pretty thru the roof.
Meldrick Taylor.
Jeff Fenech.
JCC.
For a big guy Ike Ibeabuchi.
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I recommended making him a mod but Master is a little worried that Sir Paul Kevins minions would take over
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Good find.
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Johnny Tapia
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In no particular order:
Hopkins
Hagler
JC Superstar
Troy Dorsey
Wayne McCollough
Barrera
Morales
Margarito
Zack Padilla
Ricky Hatton
Floyd
As for exercises that increase stamina, there are many: jump rope, running, sparring, bag work, cardio equipment (bikes, rowers...etc.). I've found that certain natural/physiological/genetic factors effect stamina levels. Some people have larger lungs, higher VO2 Max, more efficient hearts...etc. When these individuals also have high pain tolerance, mental toughness, and discipline, they end up as the best conditioned in their sport. No single exercise is responsible for great stamina though.
Wayne McCullough could punch non stop he was a pocket rocket.
I think a couple of factors that are often overlooked and misunderstood in boxing are:
1. Boxing stamina is sport specific and "different" than other types of stamina. An example is when Sweet Pea Whitaker fought Gary Jacobs. Jacobs was ripped and in phenomenal shape, known for regularly competing in triathlons/races and running sub 5 minute miles. The guy obviously had great stamina, but in the ring vs the much smaller Whitaker, he couldn't match Pernell's pace or tempo and became exhausted by the end.
2. All the training and natural gifts in the world won't matter if you let your mind/stress/anxiety get the better of you. From my experience, just the pressure of performing in front of a large audience can put pressure on you, cause anxiety, and rob you of your stamina. Staying relaxed is a challenge, and you have to remain calm to have good stamina. Look at JCC as an example, he never got worked up or hyped, he went out like it was just another day and applied steady pressure throughout the fight. It's why/how James Toney could be fat and win a twelve round fight. He was relaxed in the ring and this allowed him to conserve energy and fight at a controlled pace.
Good post. People are often accused of being unfit, lacking stamina, when in actual fact it's the mental toll that burns fighters up, Thompson Price 2 for example. Price was physically fit, of course he was, he would have put his work in in the gym. He was mentally burned up after a couple of rounds and treading water until the inevitable end.
Some people (Tony is a great example) are more comfortable than others when the leather is flying
Eubank Jnr is developing a great engine.
Bruno would get mentally exhausted even though he was extremely fit although being so musclebound would not help.Quote:
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Eubank Junior has good stamina as illustrated when he fought a guy in the last round and threw a barrage of unanswered shots like a machine. Oddly enough this was before his loss to BJS where he was too slow for the first 6 rounds.
That was a huge tactical error on the Eubanks part. I have always been a fan of BJS and he was always going to be fast and accurate from the off. He has/had some great skills and for Eubank to nullify that he would have to be at the races from round one. I think arrogance meant they thought they would stop him late on. He has talent but I don't think Jr is ever going to be the world beater his Dad thinks he is. Small errors will cost you big and somebody with more pop than BJS will force the ref to step in or stop the guy if he does not take opponents more seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBruno would get mentally exhausted even though he was extremely fit although being so musclebound would not help.Quote:
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Eubank Junior has good stamina as illustrated when he fought a guy in the last round and threw a barrage of unanswered shots like a machine. Oddly enough this was before his loss to BJS where he was too slow for the first 6 rounds.
Just realized I didn't have the two poster boys for stamina, Aaron Pryor and Henry Armstrong on my list! Could also add prime Duran and Leonard as well.
Armstrong had a low heart rate which explained the perpetual motion.Quote:
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One point I disagree with you is Toney or Floyd as having good stamina. They pace the fight well and are relaxed which means they conserve their energy but would not call that stamina.
Don't have Toney on my list, just used him as an example of how staying relaxed can conserve your energy. I think prime Floyd was in great shape. Even in his tough fights, like the first Castillo fight, he wasn't winded or even breathing heavy at the end. Young Floyd was hungry for recognition and greatness and he pushed the pace and was extremely active (Chico, Sharmba, NDou...etc.). Much like Hopkins, as he became older he slowed the pace down and focused mainly on efficiency/defense/conserving energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterArmstrong had a low heart rate which explained the perpetual motion.Quote:
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One point I disagree with you is Toney or Floyd as having good stamina. They pace the fight well and are relaxed which means they conserve their energy but would not call that stamina.
Colin Jones, Barry Mc guigan, Paul Hogkinson.
Sam Soliman and Troy Dorsey.
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Troy Dorsey is a fantastic call my friend.
That was a great fight. I miss 80s n 90s boxing. We've spoken about this fight before on here, but it's worth saying again: Kelley showed so much promise and potential in this fight, and was a genuinely good, and like able person. Shame the smaller guys didn't get recognition until Naz came along, and by then Kevin was already past his prime.Quote:
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I watched Barrera vs Kennedy McKinney, Barrera vs Morales, Naz vs Kelley, Castillo vs Corrales, Toney vs McCallum, Toney vs Prince Charles Williams...et. al, all on non-PPV. Canelo vs Smith was a PPV fight. Berto vs Mayweather was PPV. Pac vs Algieri and Rios were both PPV. Ridiculous. Just glad people are now refusing to buy shit match ups on PPV.
PPV is killing the sport and the fan base is moving away. Greed is killing the sport which is a minority sport now.
Thank you. He was an unsung hero of boxing.Once threw 180 punches in a round I believe and he once said, "It's hard to counter a 3 minute combination".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlTroy Dorsey is a fantastic call my friend.Quote:
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