Carl Frampton vs Leo Santa Cruz - 29/1/17

Don't see any other outcome than another Frampton win

Carl Frampton is taking added motivation from those who doubt the validity of his first win over Leo Santa Cruz.
Frampton (23-0-KO14) puts his unbeaten record back on the line on January 29 when his rematch with Santa Cruz (32-1-1-KO18) headlines a star-studded Sky Sports card from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

"If it's two wins to nil for me, I'd rather move on and fight someone like Lee Selby. I just want to be involved in big fights."

Frampton v Santa Cruz II: Carl Frampton out to prove New York win was 'no fluke' | Boxing News | Sky Sports

I've got Frampton winning via stoppage, It could go either way but I've a feeling that it won't go the 12 this time, one of them will change something about their game plan and either catch or be caught cold

Don't think it will be as good as the first one. Santa Cruz can't do anything different/more but Frampton can be more cagey, not trade as much. However, Santa Cruz has more chance of favourable scoring in this part of the world.

Excellent card. Selby-Barros and Garcia-Zlat undercard.

The first fight was close and Frampton can easily lose this if he gets involved in a war. carl needs to be smart and focused using his boxing skills but it is far from a formality.

I will be nervous for Frampton.

I think frampton will win a bit easier this time and the fight won't be as good. I could be wrong but Santa Cruz only has one speed. I would be surprised if he could adjust from the first fight.

Haymon's shows have a reputation for bad decisions. I think Frampton will win but I'm not so sure the judges will see it like that. You know Santa Cruz is going to throw a hundred punches a round and that's all the excuse the judges would need to give it to him.

Santa Cruz will win a close decision and there will be a third fight

Nice to see you've all got your excuses lined up before the fight even happens. The first fight was nip and tuck and the judges gave Frampton a fair victory. But this time, in the same country that was fair last time, the judges will use nationality to bias. Sound logic(heavy sarcasm if not obvious)

Let me present another scenario. When someone benefits from bias in USA it is not about nationality it is about marketability. I'm sure to nationalistic people that is hard to grasp. But here it is obvious.

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Nice to see you've all got your excuses lined up before the fight even happens. The first fight was nip and tuck and the judges gave Frampton a fair victory. But this time, in the same country that was fair last time, the judges will use nationality to bias. Sound logic(heavy sarcasm if not obvious)

Let me present another scenario. When someone benefits from bias in USA it is not about nationality it is about marketability. I'm sure to nationalistic people that is hard to grasp. But here it is obvious.

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I've tried to tell people here that same thing. In the US, it is about marketability and not nationality. Just because a fighter is from the US, doesn't mean that they will be the more marketable one.

If its about marketability, then surely the Irish heritage of Frampton can be just as valuable as the Mexican heritage for Santa Cruz. After all, we've seen guys like John Duddy and Andy Lee spend a lot more time on big shows in the US than equally talented boxers from the Seychelles or some other backwater would have done.

Anyway, I like the look of this fight for Frampton, good first fight, and I think Santa Cruz is going to be hard pushed to change up enough to get the victory. Looking forward to seeing Lee Selby on another big card too. Will just have to be strict enough with the beer so I'm sober enough to remember it.

Plenty of American fans - including writers and the Santa Cruz team themselves - claimed Cruz was disadvantaged by the first fight being on the east coast. It's naive or disingenuous to claim American based fighters don't receive home advantage.

Cruz himself said - Las Vegas is his second home and will have the greater fan support this time.

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Plenty of American fans - including writers and the Santa Cruz team themselves - claimed Cruz was disadvantaged by the first fight being on the east coast. It's naive or disingenuous to claim American based fighters don't receive home advantage.

Cruz himself said - Las Vegas is his second home and will have the greater fan support this time.

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Most of it is mentality. So in that sense you can have an advantage. You hear the crowd cheering for you and it pumps you up. The judging in the US can be corrupt like anywhere else in the world, but it's not in favor of the guy from the US necessarily.

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Plenty of American fans - including writers and the Santa Cruz team themselves - claimed Cruz was disadvantaged by the first fight being on the east coast. It's naive or disingenuous to claim American based fighters don't receive home advantage.

Cruz himself said - Las Vegas is his second home and will have the greater fan support this time.

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Most of it is mentality. So in that sense you can have an advantage. You hear the crowd cheering for you and it pumps you up. The judging in the US can be corrupt like anywhere else in the world, but it's not in favor of the guy from the US necessarily.

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It's the same everywhere, the most popular fighter will always seem to be favoured even if not in his home town.

I notice lots of American fans mistakenly assume that "world" title fights in the UK are judged by all Brit officials, which is not true at all. Only in places like Vegas do you see all-American officals doing fights between their fellow countrymen and a foreigner.

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Plenty of American fans - including writers and the Santa Cruz team themselves - claimed Cruz was disadvantaged by the first fight being on the east coast. It's naive or disingenuous to claim American based fighters don't receive home advantage.

Cruz himself said - Las Vegas is his second home and will have the greater fan support this time.

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Most of it is mentality. So in that sense you can have an advantage. You hear the crowd cheering for you and it pumps you up. The judging in the US can be corrupt like anywhere else in the world, but it's not in favor of the guy from the US necessarily.

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It's the same everywhere, the most popular fighter will always seem to be favoured even if not in his home town.

I notice lots of American fans mistakenly assume that "world" title fights in the UK are judged by all Brit officials, which is not true at all. Only in places like Vegas do you see all-American officals doing fights between their fellow countrymen and a foreigner.

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I know that judges are generally from different places in the world in bigger fights. The problem is I never hear a Brit being in his home country, or a German being in Germany, or a Japanese being in Japan that gets on the wrong end of a decision in their own country vs someone who isn't from the same country.

In the US, fighters from the US get awful decisions all the time against foreign fighters. It's not really even a debate.

Name one fight where the home country fighter (from a country other than the US) got a screwed on the scorecards. There may be a random one but I can't think of any.

Watching previous Frampton fights on boxing gold against Moliter et al and forgot how close Barry and Eddie were.

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Plenty of American fans - including writers and the Santa Cruz team themselves - claimed Cruz was disadvantaged by the first fight being on the east coast. It's naive or disingenuous to claim American based fighters don't receive home advantage.

Cruz himself said - Las Vegas is his second home and will have the greater fan support this time.

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Most of it is mentality. So in that sense you can have an advantage. You hear the crowd cheering for you and it pumps you up. The judging in the US can be corrupt like anywhere else in the world, but it's not in favor of the guy from the US necessarily.

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It's the same everywhere, the most popular fighter will always seem to be favoured even if not in his home town.

I notice lots of American fans mistakenly assume that "world" title fights in the UK are judged by all Brit officials, which is not true at all. Only in places like Vegas do you see all-American officals doing fights between their fellow countrymen and a foreigner.

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I know that judges are generally from different places in the world in bigger fights. The problem is I never hear a Brit being in his home country, or a German being in Germany, or a Japanese being in Japan that gets on the wrong end of a decision in their own country vs someone who isn't from the same country.

In the US, fighters from the US get awful decisions all the time against foreign fighters. It's not really even a debate.

Name one fight where the home country fighter (from a country other than the US) got a screwed on the scorecards. There may be a random one but I can't think of any.

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Off the top of my head - Brodie-Jorrin, Crolla-Perez, Kelly-French Euro champ were fights the home/UK fighter was "robbed."

It's the norm to cry robbery in boxing, the problem is, what is a genuine robbery? The majority of the time robberies are close fights that could have gone either way. Every week people are arguing about decisions.

Do American's really get robbed against foreigner's all the time? Even if there are more cases, it could be simply explained by there being more fights there.

Leo Santa Cruz takes a swing at Donald Trump as he prepares for Carl Frampton rematch this weekend

He may be here to fight Carl Frampton but Leo Santa Cruz has laid into Donald Trump, writes David Anderson in Las Vegas .

Santa Cruz took aim at new US President Trump took aim at new because of his threat to kick Mexicans like him and his family out of America.

The 28-year-old's mum and dad emigrated to California from Mexico when he was a kid to make a better life for their family.

Santa Cruz epitomises the American dream — from his upbringing in a one-bedroomed house in the rough Los Angeles suburb of Compton, he has risen to become a three-weight world champion.

He even owns one of Floyd Mayweather Junior’s old Lamborghinis, and he is worried by Trump.

“It does concern me a little bit because he’s saying that he wants to kick out Mexicans, Latino people and the people who are immigrants,” said Santa Cruz, who talks almost as fast as he punches. “I wouldn’t like for them to deport my family — my dad, my mom, and a lot of other family.

“If he was only picking the people who are doing drugs and coming here to do bad things, they could deport them but not the people who are doing good, that come here to get a better life for their family. That wouldn’t be fair.

“My mom and dad, they came here from Mexico. They worked hard to give us a better future. I stick to boxing and thanks to the hard work of my parents, I can give my family a great future.”

Santa Cruz’s elder brother Roberto saw his own boxing career ended when he was stricken by the auto-immune disease Lupus.

His dad and trainer Jose was diagnosed with cancer during his camp for the first fight with Frampton last summer.

Jose is now in remission and back in his the corner of his son, who said: “They have been a big inspiration. I have seen them suffer, but that makes me more motivated. If they see me fighting and working hard, that will give them hope to find a way to fight their illness.”

Santa Cruz, who is 32-1-1, felt his father’s illness contributed to the first pro loss of his career when Frampton ended his reign as WBA featherweight king - because he was so worried about him.

He only sat down with Jose, who looks like an extra from a Western with his open-necked cowboy shirt and Stetson, recently to watch the first fight and insists they have devised a winning gameplan for the rematch.


“In the first camp, I was worrying about him — was he still going to be around?” he said. “Now, thank God, the cancer is in remission. He’s doing a lot better and so my mind is clear.”

While Santa Cruz tried to sound confident, he revealed a seed of doubt in his mind when he admitted he could quit the sport if he is beaten at the MGM Grand Garden Arena on Saturday night.

“I know another loss against Carl Frampton, it could be the end of my career,” he said. “But I’ll come really prepared to get the win and will leave everything in the ring to get it.”

Leo Santa Cruz takes a swing at Donald Trump as he prepares for Carl Frampton rematch this weekend

How I see the fight going. We will know the outcome early. Frampton needs to land some crisp shots to make Cruz think. Like he did early in the first fight. Cruz will want to make it a grinder, action action action so stamina wins out. If Cruz gets the pace up early and Frampton can't land some nice flush shots to slow him down we'll be in for a barn burner and a Cruz victory. Really on the fence with this one so I'll take Cruz tomorrow and Frampton in the 3rd go.

https://youtu.be/5zP012_TQEY

Crus looks worried, shame about the Selby fight being off.

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Crus looks worried, shame about the Selby fight being off.

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Yes Selby is very upset and who can blame him. They said opponent may have hep B.

Young Josh Taylor getting all he can handle in 1st round vs Alfonso Olvera airing on Showextreme! Taylor gets second warning for low blows???

Evening chaps. Two cards tonight so it's try and watch two bloody screens at once as the main events are bound to be on top of each other. Who the fuck is Anna Woolhouse?

I'm guessing this is Jose Benavidez' brother. Dealing very well with a midget tomato can.

Fair play to Josh Taylor, he looked pretty good against a tough Mexican opponent. Can't wait for Trump's wall to go up so British prospects can fight dodgy prospects from Idaho who haven't fought anyone who owned their own gloves.

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Evening chaps. Two cards tonight so it's try and watch two bloody screens at once as the main events are bound to be on top of each other. Who the fuck is Anna Woolhouse?

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;D Hate when they do that. HBO looks bit underwhelming compared. Benavides doing his best Chavez jr impersonation here, at least 20 lbs heavier than Mamadjanov.

Unbelievably I might have managed to drink too much to make the final bell tonight. I'm going for Frampton anyway. I think he'll manage to fight less and box more and win this. Whether the judges see it the same way I don't know. Last chance saloon for Santa Cruz so he's going to be properly amped up for this. Maybe he draws Frampton into a war. Fuck it. Frampton wins it clear enough that the judges can't rob him.

What a first defence for the Montenegrin kid.

Mikey not looking remotely rusty is he.

Evening kids

I've only just got up for this one, Garvia v Zlaticanin is on at the moment (rd 2)

have I missed anything?

Frampton FTW by the way

Garcia looks awesome. I am tired and will go to bed now.

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Garcia looks awesome. I am tired and will go to bed now.

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Garcia just put him to sleep, dude still hasn't woke up man

Don't go master, I've only just got here

Garcia is so good. I hope he keeps fighting regularly

fucking hell has he still not woke up yet?

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Garcia looks awesome. I am tired and will go to bed now.

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Garcia just put him to sleep, dude still hasn't woke up man

Don't go master, I've only just got here

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Devastating KO.

I am going to bed and hope Frampton wins.

ah he's alright now, heavy heavy knock out that was

One minute you're an unbeaten world champion, the next minute you might not wake up. He was at least one level below Garcia. Jesus. Just watched the replay. Ooooh.

I'd love to see Garcia fight Lomachenko.

Not sure it will ever happen though despite the money involved. Garcia is heading for 140 and Loma doesn't have the frame really.

Who's this bird that is presenting on Sky?

Why is Mayweather dressed like a pirate ???

Mayweather just said he will fight Connor McGregor

The bet is on Master

it's all changed, you have Primo on the ropes