On a rating system out of 5; what are some of your top rated fighters?
For example guys like Mikey Garcia & Lomachenko I'd rated up there, something like 4.7 maybe 4.8. Sort of like a P4P rating but out of 5.
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On a rating system out of 5; what are some of your top rated fighters?
For example guys like Mikey Garcia & Lomachenko I'd rated up there, something like 4.7 maybe 4.8. Sort of like a P4P rating but out of 5.
You are a tough marker Garcia was flawless in his last fight and I would have given him 5.
Loma would be the same.
So they're unbeatable and perfect are they? No. So you can't give them a 5!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Out of curiosity, what would you have given Floyd?
Yes they are unbeatable based on their performances and Loma at least dominate at his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo they're unbeatable and perfect are they? No. So you can't give them a 5!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Out of curiosity, what would you have given Floyd?
Firstly, Loma (and I like him a lot) HAS ALREADY LOST, therefore he's not unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes they are unbeatable based on their performances and Loma at least dominate at his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo they're unbeatable and perfect are they? No. So you can't give them a 5!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Out of curiosity, what would you have given Floyd?
Secondly, what about answering my question on Floyd? 😄
0's should not matter on a record and far too much is made of them which answers both your questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFirstly, Loma (and I like him a lot) HAS ALREADY LOST, therefore he's not unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes they are unbeatable based on their performances and Loma at least dominate at his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo they're unbeatable and perfect are they? No. So you can't give them a 5!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Out of curiosity, what would you have given Floyd?
Secondly, what about answering my question on Floyd? 😄
:LOS::LOLATYOU::lolololol: How the fuck does that answer my questions ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master0's should not matter on a record and far too much is made of them which answers both your questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraFirstly, Loma (and I like him a lot) HAS ALREADY LOST, therefore he's not unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes they are unbeatable based on their performances and Loma at least dominate at his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo they're unbeatable and perfect are they? No. So you can't give them a 5!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Out of curiosity, what would you have given Floyd?
Secondly, what about answering my question on Floyd? 😄
How can you be unbeatable if you've been beaten? and what rating would you have given Floyd?
Garcia has been dropped before. And Loma has lost. He was beaten by another fighter. I can totally understand giving both Garcia & Loma 5. Does everyone around P4P get an automatic 5 star or are their degrees?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
On behalf of Ross I would like to nominate Tyson Fury
As far as I'm concerned unless there is a fighter who's attack, power defense, footwork, head movement, punch variety etc etc etc is 100% perfect then they can't be a 5 star fighter in the way that we are talking.
On the same note the fact that Loma for example has been beaten shouldn't stop him from achieving the ever impressive 5 star rating as boxers can improve, on that basis you would have to say that Wilder (who has obvious flaws) is a 5 star fighter because he has stopped all but one of his opponents.
I want to hear what PK has to say about this 5 star business, I agree with him.
I was thinking like old boxing video games that had an overall rating for a fighter out of 100.
The way I see it , only 1 fighter, or at best one fighter per division can get a 5 star rating . A loss doesn't stop someone getting the 5 star rating, BUT a loss does mean that a fighter could NEVER be called unbeatable.
That's more about facts and the English language rather than boxing opinion.;)
2 could possibly rated at 5 in a division if they were unbeaten and considered 50/50. Gonzalez, Cuadras, Inoue for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Ward-Kovalev. Does Kovalev rate slightly higher?
I'd give fighters like Ray Robinson and Joe Louis (and many more) 5 Stars
Yeah they lost but these guys were having 12/15 even 20 (SRR) fights per year
Robinson Lost only 1 pro fight in over 130 which is incredible and that loss was to another legend Jake Lamotta.
Makes no difference to me if a fighter has loses, Ali and Lennox Lewis are two other great fighters who both lost more than once.
Some people will naturally only give a fighter 5 stars if he's undefeated (Marciano, Mayweather etc) but turn it on it's head and think that Robinson went on an unbeaten run of fights which nearly DOUBLES Marcianos entire list of fights and that Robinson also had more fights in a 4 year period than Floyd had in a 20 year period and then went on to fight Another 150 times ;)
So hard to compare old school fighters to todays fighters
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Losing shouldn't discounted a fighters rating. But rating someone 100/100 or 5/5 would be rare for me. Robinson a 5 or 4.99, 98/100 I don't know?
Maybe it's years of entrenched skepticism or cynicism that boxing can leave on you but I have a hard time rating any active fighter as a 5. Major factor being who'd they fight and performance. Nearly all have an off night, dropped, rocked, gifted a decision or flat lose at some point. Being undefeated doesn't make you spectacular if all you're doing is blowing out set ups and part time stunt men. But I also think p4p is largely a marketing tag more than a realistic read of the 'best' boxers on the planet ;D. You should also lose points if you pretend to be a middleweight, talk up the best fighter in full shit talking fashion but then leave a puddle as you walk the other way :-X.